Hillary: Your "more electable" argument is stupid and you should stop making it.

[David Zephyr]

Hillary Clinton continues her nonsensical "argument" that even though her candidacy has been rejected by a majority of elected delegates to our national convention, that somehow she should be the chosen nominee in Denver this August because she's "more electable" than Barack Obama.

Memo to Hillary Clinton: If the Democrats were, by any stretch of your over-heated imagination, ever to overturn our party's rules and steal Obama's victory based on your ever-changing "criteria", believe me we wouldn't choose you in Denver, we would choose Al Gore.

And Al Gore, who is more "electable" than any Democrat in America, will be endorsing Senator Barack Obama.

Hillary, you did not "win the popular vote" and you did not "win more primaries" and you did not win the votes of "good Americans, hard-working Americans, white Americans" and you are certainly not the "more electable" candidate.

Saturday Night Live said it all when they ridiculed you as a "sore loser".

The single most electable individual in the United States of America is Al Gore and he will endorse your opponent.

[FrenchieCat]

1. It is sad to see that what matters to her.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

2. but she's more shmelectable. you can't argue with that.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6156919&mesg_id=6156919

[southern_belle]

3. It's time to ignore the Clinton's and move on to the

real news of the Obama versus the McCain campaigns. :popcorn:

[HockeyMom]

4. Will the same REPUBLICANS who voted for her in

some open primaries still vote for her in the GE? Is that how she thinks she will win?

[azmouse]

5. K&R

[suston96]

6. Stupid? Oh, I dunno.......

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps/May28.html

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Clinton/Maps/May28.html

[Prophet 451]

10. The electoral college vote again?

It might be convincing if it weren't for the fact that who won the primary in a state has NO connection to how that state will vote in the general.

[Doun]

7. We shouldn't dismiss her argument so easily

A very strong and convincing rebuttal needs to be made to counter her arguments.

She's been repeating it over and over, to the point that many people are starting to believe her. It's probably too late, but the argument of her winning key swing states seems to have a little weight.

She's putting a big effort to put doubt into our mind that the Primary system as it stand does not accurately represent the General Election. I personally believe we must stick to the original rules. Hillary can only win if the rules are changed.

The greatest worry is losing her supporters. Hillary will have a hell of a lot of work to keep the Dems together, once Obama is declared the nominee.

[Richard Steele]

16. ...says the dead troll.

[jsmirman]

8. Amazing how she keeps talking, but the SDs are still not buying

and talking and talking and talking- like a salesman who just not only won't take no for an answer but also WILL NOT GO AWAY

:banghead:

[roseBudd]

13. She is not trying to persuade the brights, her audience is her base

[unblock]

9. the simple rule is candidates should NEVER discuss electoral strategy themselves

that is what you have campaign managers and surrogates for.

[StevieM]

11. Ummm...it's a perfectly legitimate argument to make. This is what candidates do to win SDs

This is the way it has always been and it is perfectly reasonable.

There is no definition of winning the Democratic nomination other then a majority of all delegates. At least there wasn't until Barack Obama came along. And he made up a new one so he could bully the super-delegates into chosing him--it worked.

You don't know who Al Gore is going to endorse, if he endorses anyone. By the time Gore endorses Obama the race will probably be over.

Steve

[cliffordu]

12. There is only one thing wrong with your post:

And that is everything.

Nice try, though.

[StevieM]

17. That was a really substantive response. (eom)

[cliffordu]

18. Well, I didn't have a picture of a clown doing "Jazz hands" or I'd have posted

THAT instead....

[roseBudd]

14. "bully the super-delegates into chosing him" OMG!! You say he bullied them! did he have a weapon???

[Douglas Carpenter]

15. Average national poll Obama 46.7/McCain 44.1=Obama +2.6///Clinton 46.7/McCain 44.7=Clinton + 1.4

First of all it's irrelevant now that the race is over and Barak Obama will be the nominee.

In that Sen. Obama has both John McCain and Hillary Clinton attacking him it is only common sense that this would have some negative effect on his ratings.

Average of National Polls:

Obama 46.7/McCain 44.1 = Obama + 2.6

Clinton 45.9/McCain 44.7 = Clinton + 1.2

The general election polls averages the latest polls from Gallup Tracking, Rasmussen Tracking, Quinnipiac,ABC News/Wash Post, Democracy Corp, LA Times/Bloomberg, IDBB/TIPP, Battleground

links:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_clinton-224.html

Average Polls in Nomination Race:

Obama 50.8/Clinton 40.8 = Obama +10

The nomination polls are the averages of Rasmussen Tracking, Gallup Tracking, Newsweek, Reuters/Zogby, Quinnipiac and Washington Post/ABC.

link: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_clinton-224.html

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"The Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator shows Democrats leading in states with 200 Electoral Votes while the GOP has the advantage in states with 189. When “leaners” are included, the Democrats enjoy a 260-240 Electoral College lead (see summary of recent state-by-state results). Rasmussen Markets data gives Democrats a 63.4% chance of winning the White House in November (results are updated on a 24/7 basis by market participants)."

"Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up."

link: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

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And here are the predictions from the financial markets:

Intrade Prediction Markets: http://www.intrade.com / (The Rasmussen Market figures are pretty much in the same ball park: http://markets.rasmussenreports.com/aav2/trading/tradingHTML.jsp?selConID=261450# )



Intrade Prediction Market gives a 61.5% to 63.4% chance that the Democrats will win the White House in November

Intrade Prediction Market gives a 57.5% to 57.6%chance that Barak Obama will be elected President in November

Intrade Prediction Market gives a 5.8% to 5.9% chance that Hillary Clinton will be elected President in November

Intrade Prediction Market gives a 37.6% to 37.7% chance that John McCain will be elected President in November

Intrade Prediction Market gives a 37.0% to 38.7% chance the Republicans will win the White House in November


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"Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up"

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

[David Zephyr]

19. Interesting reading. Thanks.

Helpful. :hi: