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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:14 PM
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If I thought someone was a racist, but needed his vote to beat an evil foe, I'd keep my mouth shut.
But that's just me.

Sean Wilentz' "Race Man." Required reading.
http://www.tnr.com/toc/story.html?id=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304
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shomino Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:16 PM
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1. "evil foe"!? -n/t
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:18 PM
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6. The Republicans--remember?
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:17 PM
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2. Wilentz is an old friend of the Clintons and is therefore completely biased.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:23 PM
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22. Talk about steel-trap logic...
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:17 PM
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3. When have you ever kept your mouth shut?
Even when your foot is in it, you still blather.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:18 PM
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5. The couple of times when he was eating crow.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:19 PM
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8. I just told you when, silly-billy! Try to pay attention.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:19 PM
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13. Oh, you cad!
<blushes>
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:18 PM
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4. So is Obama racist against black people or white people?
Or anybody who's not both?
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:19 PM
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11. Mostly typical white women.
Edited on Wed May-28-08 03:20 PM by Perry Logan
Which is funny, because a lot of Obamites obviously hate white women too.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:22 PM
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19. You mean like his mom?
Obama hates his mom?

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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:32 PM
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39. Why wouldn't he? She's the cracker daughter of a typical white female racist....
Edited on Wed May-28-08 03:32 PM by FredScuttle
whose uncle didn't really liberate a concentration camp.

:eyes:
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:22 PM
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20. Obama supporters hate white women?
Got a fucking link for that bullshit?
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:33 PM
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40. Andrew Stephen's "Hating Hillary" (another essential text for DUers) is a good start.
Edited on Wed May-28-08 03:34 PM by Perry Logan
There are dozens of sites on the web where women talk about this. I'll get some quotes together when I get time.

Stephens writes:

"Gloating, unshackled sexism of the ugliest kind has been shamelessly peddled by the US media, which - sooner rather than later, I fear - will have to account for their sins

"History, I suspect, will look back on the past six months as an example of America going through one of its collectively deranged episodes - rather like Prohibition from 1920-33, or McCarthyism some 30 years later. This time it is gloating, unshackled sexism of the ugliest kind. It has been shamelessly peddled by the US media, which - sooner rather than later, I fear - will have to account for their sins. The chief victim has been Senator Hillary Clinton, but the ramifications could be hugely harmful for America and the world.
http://www.newstatesman.com/north-america/2008/05/obama-clinton-vote-usa-media
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:40 PM
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52. Opinion pieces are not proof. Seriously.
If you're going to make a statement like that... you'd better have concrete proof.

I am a white-ish woman and I dont appreciate being told I hate myself simply because I didnt join the vagina brigade. Talk about sexist.
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Rainbowreflect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:55 PM
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62. I really do hate myself.
I must confess! :sarcasm:
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 05:48 PM
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88. lol. We all do.
Just some of us are to naive and/or stupid to know it.
:sarcasm:
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:19 PM
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94. Wow, Now I don't count to anyone.
:rofl:
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:27 PM
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99. You still matter to Hillary!!!
Especially if you're hard working! :rofl: :hi:
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:27 PM
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30. An awful lot of "Obamites" ARE white women.
Including my mother and grandmother, so WATCH IT!!
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:30 PM
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34. I know. It gives me the creeps.
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:34 PM
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43. YOU give me the creeps. You just told me that racists voting for Hillary was ok...
...but white women voting for Obama (against Hillary) was wrong, wrong, wrong.

Acceptance of sexism is evil, but acceptance of racism is a necessary stepping stone to election victory, eh?

You're no Democrat, pal.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:39 PM
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48. That's a lie.
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:40 PM
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53. "You're no Democrat" is my opinion. Everything else is fact and you can't stand it.
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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 05:40 PM
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87. Dude will just put your hood and sheet on already?
Edited on Wed May-28-08 05:40 PM by ej510
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:20 PM
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96. I second that. Posts more like a Freeper.
Edited on Wed May-28-08 06:20 PM by Kittycat
I wouldn't insult Clinton supporters to say he was one of their own.
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #11
33. You know something?
You are really digging deep into your bag of crap now.


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Bright Eyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:18 PM
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7. Evil foe?
I seriously hope you're talking about McCain.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:20 PM
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14. Why do I even try?
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Bright Eyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:21 PM
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15. I ask myself that every time I come on here.
:hi:
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:22 PM
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18. And then I remember--these Obamites are really really funny!
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:19 PM
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9. Freaky Deaky n/t
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:19 PM
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10. Wow! You actually made a post without saying "Obamites."
I'm shocked!

:wow:
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:19 PM
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12. The "racist" is just as evil as our "evil foe"... in fact... the "racist" makes up their base...
...and I don't want them.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:21 PM
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16. Okey dokey. Then say hello to President McCain...and his charming wife.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:23 PM
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25. Uh... no.... The racist 20% of this country ALREADY vote Repuke.... we'll win without them....
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:25 PM
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27. You know Hillary herself once said that she didn't want the votes of people...
...who wouldn't vote for Obama just because of his skin color. It was in one of the very first debates, when Edwards et al were still there. Obama also said that he didn't want the votes of people who wouldn't vote for Clinton because of her gender...

As much as her campaign rubs me the wrong way, I'm very, VERY glad Hillary is running and not you.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:27 PM
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29. With respect, I believe virtually nothing an Obamite says about Hillary.
Y'all have utterly burned up your line of credit with any sane person.
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:30 PM
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37. Funny, because there are just as many of us as there are Hillary supporters--probably more.
So go ahead and insult us all you like. If your candidate WINS somehow, you're going to have to be nice to US.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:36 PM
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44. I'm guessing Obama has given McCain about 12 million votes with his dumbshit race-baiting tactics.
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:39 PM
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49. Yeah, Black people ought not to run for president. I hear you, man...
:eyes:
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 05:55 PM
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89. Why don't you return one of your disruptive, race-baiting siglines?
Did the previous ones not work out for you?

:shrug:
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:21 PM
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17. Hell, that's no surprise. You defend racist campaign tactics on a daily basis. What's so
surprising about the fact that you'd keep your mouth shut to avoid offending some racists?

:shrug:
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:23 PM
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23. Same to you, fella.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:22 PM
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21. I bet you would.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:23 PM
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24. Have you had enough fun flogging that tired article around?
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:24 PM
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26. No. It'll be a basic text for some time to come.
And yes, it WILL be on the final.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:26 PM
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28. You mean your final thread in which you get tombstoned for attacking the presumptive nominee?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:27 PM
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:33 PM
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41. You realize that your article might well be a forbidden thing to post in not to long, right?
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:34 PM
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42. No. I'm as innocent as a babe about these matters.
But thanks for the threat.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 04:52 PM
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74. I can't believe JVS threatened you
You should alert, as that post is grounds for tombstoning.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 05:11 AM
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103. What the fuck did you expect? I'm a Obama thug! Thug life!
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Doityourself Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 05:05 PM
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79. Your time is near...prepare..lol
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:27 PM
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32. Sorry. Racists ARE the evil foe. All of them.
But that's just me.
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:30 PM
Response to Reply #32
35. It's not just you.
I totally agree with you.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:30 PM
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38. Perry doesn't mind racists, and apparently is a coward in the face of them.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:37 PM
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46. Badmouthing is basically the only tool in the Obamite kit.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:39 PM
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50. Beats the tool you're playing with.
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:49 PM
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56. Ewww--a mental image I did not need.
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:53 PM
Response to Reply #46
59. Have you read
your own posts?

I mean... Come on dude. You are the king of badmouthing.
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canucksawbones Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:50 PM
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102. and you spend every post
doing just that.

Your opinion doesn't really carry much weight (and I really mean opinion, cause I have yet to see you present any facts)

GK
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:38 PM
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47. Obamites miss the point of everything.
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:30 PM
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36. At least one Hillbot is honest about courting and welcoming racists with open arms
n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:37 PM
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:43 PM
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54. Keep projecting, tool
Your time is almost up....
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:53 PM
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60. Sorry. Being called nasty names rarely brings out the best in me.
Have I mentioned it's also no fucking way to win votes? I have...?
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 04:00 PM
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64. Like I give a shit about winning your vote?
We don't need to pander to the fucking nutjob chorus, all 40 of you.

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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 04:02 PM
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66. What does, besides clamming up in the face of racism?
You're so brave, Perry. A shining beacon of light and truth and honor.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:40 PM
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51. So is Obama evil? Or are you suggesting that we can use racists against the Republicans?
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:52 PM
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58. Yes, he is evil. No, we can't use racists against the Repubs. Y'all have fucked that, you see.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:53 PM
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61. Darn. Here I was hoping we could exploit McCain's half-Negro baby.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:59 PM
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63. If Obama is evil, is Shrub Super duper luper evil???
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 04:48 PM
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71. In all seriousness, that expresses my view pretty well.
Bush is the Worst Goddam President Ever™.

Obama is just a crooked Chicago pol.

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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:08 PM
Response to Reply #51
91. Apparently
You have not visited Perry Logan's own Obama-Hate web site.

It's filled to the brim with even more of his antics.
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:45 PM
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55. You couldn't keep your mouth shut if someone was pissing on your face
n/t
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:51 PM
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57. Ouch! That make me see the light. I'm changing my vote to Obama right NOW!
Edited on Wed May-28-08 03:53 PM by Perry Logan
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 04:04 PM
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67. Who gives a fuck? Get over yourself.
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 04:02 PM
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65. The op stinks of racism. eom
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 04:15 PM
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68. I think it's safe to say the Obamites have missed the point.
Quel surprise!
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cbc5g Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 04:18 PM
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69. No we haven't, we all know you are bitter that Hillary lost
And that in a week, it'll be over and you'll either join the winning side or not.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 04:38 PM
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70. Bitter? Laughing and singing here.
It's the Obamitres who see to be falling apart at the seams. I think they're beginning to suspect their candidate is a fraud and a loser.
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 04:56 PM
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76. Funny, that "laughing and singing" sounds an awful lot like simpering and sniveling to me. n/t.
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Doityourself Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 05:07 PM
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80. Perry is in pain. It's quite obvious. Light a candle for him.
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sudopod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 04:50 PM
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72. Kind of like all of those people in Wiemar Germany
who voted for Nazis in order to keep out them nasty Communists.

LOL, I know, Godwin's Law, etc, etc.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 04:51 PM
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73. You'd be very smart!
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 04:53 PM
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75. No, he'd be very cowardly.
Sometimes you have to do what's right because it's what right. :shrug:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 04:58 PM
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 05:03 PM
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78. Let us know when you pass puberty.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 05:08 PM
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81. So racists will vote for Obama as long as they're not called out for being racist?
WTF are you talking about?
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 05:10 PM
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82. Selling out your values for political advantage? Yup. That sums it up.
NGU.


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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:24 PM
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97. I've seen NO evidence to suggest that antiracism was EVER one of his values...
Not in any real sense.


And the same goes for quite a few of Hillary's Hostiles.

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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 05:12 PM
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83. if you understand who the evil foe is, why the hell do we need to keep our mouth shut???
Someone on a messageboard hurt your feelings so you vote against your own best interests??? How fucking stupid is that?
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 05:13 PM
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84. And that is why racism persists
People who aren't threatened by it but who may benefit in some way from not challenging it keep their mouths shut.
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iconicgnom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 05:13 PM
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85. troll
:boring:
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CaptJasHook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 05:27 PM
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86. When have you ever been able to keep your mouth shut?
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 05:58 PM
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90. This time 'round, it's kinda hard to tell one "evil foe" from the other.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:13 PM
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92. “As the ostrich when pursued hideth his head, but forgetteth his body;
so the fears of a coward expose him to danger.”
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:17 PM
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93. Then you and the racist are the enemy.
Simple as that.

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:19 PM
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95. 2nded.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:27 PM
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98. That would make you a racist
too. Period.
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:28 PM
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100. Quisling.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:33 PM
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101. WAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!! Hillary didn't win even with race-baiting tactics!
Oh noes! Scary black man will be the next president!

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

You're too much, Perry.
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