It would be interesting to see the numbers if Hillary started her own Party with the Disenchanted..

[symbolman]

I keep hearing that they're going to fold their tents and Walk, or vote for McGrumpyBush2, and with the big "Because We Said So!" meeting coming up with the Rules Committe who knows shat might happen..

What would they call their party anyway, the "Pots and Pans"? And while that may sound silly, think of some of those other odd names groups have given to themselves, the "Tories", "Rednecks" (actually proud of this one now that I know its roots), "The Liberty Foundation" (Oops, fooled us with that one)..

In a way I'd appreciate her starting her own party.. Reminds me of what my Uncle used to say about Racists ( not comparing Clintons et al to racists), he said,

"You know, we need to give up a State to all those Racists, pick one, let's say Alabama.. Then we let them ALL move down there and call it their own country if they want.. Then, once we've got them all in One Spot..

We Declare WAR on Them!"

Works for me :)

[XemaSab]

1. It would be fun to see her lose again

I'm going to miss watching that after next week. :(

[Perry Logan]

4. Well aren't you just the sweetest thang?

[JVS]

14. I got enough of that in Feb and March

[tekisui]

2. You may yet find out.

They are already promoting a Hillary Independent run at some of her supporter sites.

[symbolman]

7. I figured as such

Haven't been following them much, I'm not one to rubberneck at car wrecks, train wrecks either :)

[cliffordu]

26. I hope she stays in until the only office she can hold is dog catcher in

some Arkansas shithole.

[Saturday]

3. So it's your opinion all Hillary supporters should be

put in a single state and then declared war on? What an idiotic thing to say.

[symbolman]

6. I knew I missed one on my ignore list

thanks...

But before you go, there seems to be something missing in her supporters, they take everything that is a Metaphor LITERALLY, and everything that is a JOKE as REALITY..

Now, OFF you go.

[Kittycat]

10. No... BTW,

In 8 days, win or lose (for either of us)... I'm offering to buy you a beer (or whatever), as a promise I made earlier. You're the only clinton supporter I know in the area - so I'm reaching out to you :)

[Poll_Blind]

27. The only person who said that...was you. Bye now! n/t

PB

[Perry Logan]

5. I actually saw some numbers that were done on that and will try to find them.

Obama's ability to bring unity is truly staggering, isn't it?

[H2O Man]

8. After she drops out

next week, Senator Clinton will endorse Barack Obama. And she will work for the democratic party.

One benefit of that will be that there will be no mistaking those who are peddling the "I won't vote for Obama" crap for real democrats. They will be easily identified as non-democrats with a disruptive agenda.

[symbolman]

17. Yes

that will be nice, to know who exactly is complaining, hence my metaphor that someone actually took Literally...

Disrupters beware, The END IS NEAR.. :)

Thanks H2OMan, good call..

[H2O Man]

21. It's a funny thing:

I know lots of people who have worked for years with the hopes that Hillary Clinton would run in '08. They invested a lot in this campaign. But not one says anything about not voting for Obama. Not a single one.

On DU, many people supported other candidates, such as Edwards and Biden and Kucinich. But I have not read where a single one of the DUers I know who even suggests that they will not vote for Obama. Not a single one.

Thus, there is something singular about those folks who are identifying themselves as Clinton supporters, and who are saying that they will not be voting for Obama.

Thank you for this thread.

[PoliticalAmazon]

9. BWA-HA! How would they fund it? Hillary has "nearly fraudulently"...

wasted her campaign funds, and her supporters can't (or won't) give enough to make up for it.

Oh, I would LOVE to see them start a party. They could call it 'The Alices' and Hillary could be Red Queen in Chief.

[symbolman]

18. Bake Sale?

I remember one person saying once that the Pentagon would fold if we forced them to have Bake Sales to run their wars :)

She BROKE and Broken..

[Spazito]

11. Here is a picture of her millions of supporters gathering in the square...

if she went independent (which she won't)




Oops, just like the bush photo, I meant to do a close-up shot, lol.

Every time I read a poster saying millions of Democrats will vote for McCain over Obama, I think of the above picture.

[symbolman]

19. LOL

But they have to erect the statue first, no?

:)

[Poll_Blind]

29. LOL! n/t

PB

[VolcanoJen]

12. I've been saying for days that I actually think she might go Third Party.

She and Bill have been authoring the necessary "founding myth" with increasing intensity of late.

[hendo]

15. And that would kill Obama's chance of winning in the GE.

Then again, that seems to be what she wants.

[symbolman]

16. Naw

as one poster noted, Once the Operation Chaos people Bolt, the leftovers will be negligible, just LOUD, not many :)

[hendo]

32. Obama already has Nader to compete with for the liberal vote.

Not that anyone really takes Nader serious anymore...

[symbolman]

20. I think you may be right

You've got good political sensibility, watched you call them for Years.. I don't think they'd do much damage, ala Perot, do you?

[VolcanoJen]

22. Oh, they'd make Perot look like Ralph Nader.

They have a built-in bloc that might just follow them to the ends of the earth. It would easily be enough to hand the Presidency to McCain.

Even more so if they call it something like "The Women's Party." That would be like a knife in the back to women Obama supporters, of course, but I just sense that all of this ridiculousness in their arguments of late is pointing to something very radical. They're trying to make people feel disenfranchised already; part of a scorned group. They're not doing that for no reason.

I sense the Clintons understand that they are no longer the de facto leaders of the Democratic Party anymore, and that it's not going to come running back to them in 2012, either. There's nothing left to lose for them, really. And it would sure get Hillary in the history books, presidency or no.

[NorthCarolina]

13. After all the Operation Chaos folks bolted

it would be a much smaller party.

[Poll_Blind]

23. The thing I don't like to think about is she sets up a "feminist" 3rd party..

...which heavily touts women's rights, etc., and uses it to start breaking up the 2 party political system in America. Now, that's not necessarily a bad thing but right now it would fuck things up royally. Mostly because of why she'd be choosing to do it (to keep pumping air into her own political dynasty with Bill), something unrelated to feminist ideals.

  Basically use the promise of feminism to lure female voters (or like-minded male voters) and then demand coalition-style a coalition-style government before endorsing either of the two big parties.

  Long term, maybe good. Short term (this election) definitely destructive.

  But the forced coalition thing I've been thinking about. The whole feminism angle is just to exemplify a framework that could be used to create/acquire a whole chunk of the voting population at once as a base.

PB

[VolcanoJen]

24. Yep!

See Post #22. Great minds think about worst-case-scenarios alike, huh?

[Poll_Blind]

25. Cool! I didn't read your post...so if it's occurring to the two of us...

....I wonder who else is sensing this? BTW, great point about setting up the voters to feel disenfranchised.

  Of course, I'd rather we had something less-disturbing in common because that eventuality (or anything close to it) is downright scary! :-)

  I posted yesterday or maybe the day before a hypothetical about Clinton bussing in people from Michigan and Florida to hold campesino-style demonstrations outside the convention. I'm pretty sure it was deleted by a moderator. And, less than 24 hours later I'm reading a memo from her about getting people down to the RBC to make a stink.

  My prognosticatory secret? I just look at her moves so far, add a touch more egregiousness and make a guess.

Seriously, will this shitstorm turn into a bloodbath and if so, how will it all end?

:scared:

PB

[VolcanoJen]

28. Well, it might be the only leverage she has...

... to demand the VP slot. Either way it ties Obama's hands, and that is not the right thing to do, not this election.

It's a real shame to me. I hope we're both way off, and crazy-wrong. But instead I fear we're onto something.

[symbolman]

30. Let us Pray...

THEN get out the Pitchforks and the Torches.. Goddamit but I want my country BACK, and I want it to Represent Everyone again, no Sexists on either side, no Racists and NO Old Wrinkly Pasty guys with White Hair allowed - gonna have to sit a few rounds out, Corrupt White Guys, its time to get our American FREAK On!

:)

[PoliticalAmazon]

31. 3rd parties aren't and can't be successfull in the U.S. The system...

is rigged against third parties. It is our media that has the greatest control of who becomes president (by far, most people make their decisions on who they are going to vote for based on primarily what they see on TV and, to some extent, what they read in print journalism), and the two major parties are inbred with the media now.

Great example from this election: John Edwards. He was clearly shut out of the media coverage, and his campaign failed.

For a short, but profound, discussion of the realities of American politics, read "The Irony of Democracy" by Dye & Ziegler. It was one of the books required in one of the critical thinking courses I took when I returned to college a few years ago to get my second degree.