I'm just curious, are there any Obama supporters here in favor of seating FL/MI?

[yourguide]

Poll question: I'm just curious, are there any Obama supporters here in favor of seating FL/MI?

All of the people I have seen screaming for a full seating are HRC peeps. The DNC has to seat them in some capacity or it's a mess. So OBAMA supporters (not HRC supporters) your thoughts?

[Occam Bandage]

1. I favor half seating, with MI split 50/50, and FL as-is.

[PassingFair]

7. Me too.

:hi:

[RaleighNCDUer]

18. I'd be good with that.

Not entirely fair to Obama in FL, because of the vote suppression based on assumption that the vote wouldn't count and it not addressing Hillary's name recognition advantage being unbalanced against Obama's relative obscurity at the time - still, it's better to accept the slight inequity just to shut the hillary people the fuck up.

[Pirate Smile]

2. By the Levin agreement do you mean the 69 C - 59 O deal that Clinton turned down?

[yourguide]

4. Yes, the one that is still going to be pitched this weekend

by levin to the RBC.

[yourguide]

3. What obama supporter favors a full seating as is?

Report here...you voted. Curious why.

[GarbagemanLB]

5. It was a Clinton supporter.

[yourguide]

6. I figured it was but I wanted to be sure.

[Ian David]

8. I favor some sort of seating, though I admit I have no idea how to make it fair. n/t

[mohc]

9. For many these are positions of convenience

And it goes in both ways based on who won supports or their preference on handling Florida and Michigan. Obama supporters will tend to oppose seating and Clinton supporters will favor it. And there will be those like myself who have opposed seating all along, and fell in line to support Obama in part because he was not pushing seating Florida and Michigan. I am sure there are also those that have always supported seating that gravitated towards Clinton because she was more supportive of seating.

[cliffordu]

10. Seat them all. Let her claim victory against a candidate who was on

the ballot in ONE of the states, and she STILL only got, what, 60% of the vote??

[yourguide]

11. Dear Clinton supporters clintonizing the poll

I will happily pop by and start obamanizing your polls until the day comes that we need to bring the unitycorn

[Pirate Smile]

12. I like all delegates, including Supers, cut to .5 with FL proportional and MI either 50/50 or

Levin's 69/59 deal.

I think that should be the best Clinton can do. The delegates have to be cut in half per the rules. IMO if the Clinton camp protests that then they are being unreasonable.

[fed_up_mother]

13. They should have their say on party matters at the convention

However, they should not be seated according to a blatently unfair voting process that penalizes those who followed the rules.

[MadBadger]

14. I agree with the Levin Agreement involving seating 69-59 for Clinton and Full seating in Florida

I think they should be punished, but Obama would be better off electorally if he came to my position.

[Danger Mouse]

15. half seating, michigan 50-50, florida as is.

i think that's the fairest route.

[salguine]

16. They shouldn't be seated.

They knew the rules. They were told what would happen if they violated those rules, and they did it anyway. What message would seating their delegates send to the 48 states that scrupulously adhered to the rules? No exceptions should be made just because Hillary Clinton is throwing a tantrum. She signed the same agreement as everyone else. She's a fucking lawyer, for chrissake. She should know better. She DOES know better.

[Carolina]

22. Agree, agree, agree

"They knew the rules. They were told what would happen if they violated those rules, and they did it anyway."

And Shrillary agreed to those rules, too!

[iamjoy]

17. I Have Another Compromise From Michigan

at first it seems like a joke, but I think in some ways it works.

Obama gets no delegates from Michigan. He wasn't on the ballot, and that was his choice. Not campaigning was one thing, not even being on the ballot another. Furthermore, we can't assume those "Uncommitted" votes were for him. Maybe they were for Edwards (who wasn't on the ballot either).

On the other hand, Clinton shouldn't get them all either. About 40% of the voters in Michigan said, "Not Hillary." So, we should deduct the uncommitted delegates from the Clinton delegates and only count the difference.

[mikehiggins]

19. I'd hate to lose Michigan, really, but if that's what it takes to cut

Florida loose, I'll take the hit.

I'd spent four decades hoping and planning to retire to Florida.

I lived there for less than two years and then went back to NYC.

Hot, dirty, bug-infested, and those were just my neighbors.

[wileedog]

20. I'm really serious, does anyone from FL or MI feel 'enfranchised' by some compromise seating?

I say this in no way thinking they should be seated at all, I'm just curious if a 50/50 seating or some random selection of MI delegates (which is exactly what it ism no matter how you slice it in Michigan) really makes you think your vote counted?

I understand the Hillary supporters who want it counted as is and why, I'm saying for the more logical folks in these states, does seating some arbitrary number of delegates make a whit of difference to you in November? If so, why?

[shugah]

21. as an MI voter currently supporting Obama

that voted for Kucinich even tho i knew it would not count, who feels that the only way the dem primary system would ever be changed was to actually do something like MI decided to do this election season, who won't feel disenfranchised unless the delegates are seated in some random fashion that doesn't really reflect the way people in this state would have voted had they known what was down the road...:shrug: well, i find it difficult to make a decision about my ambiguity at this point...

so, i didn't vote in the poll :-)