Come on. How embarrassing will it be if Obama gets the

[cboy4]

nomination without a majority of the popular vote!

That back-stabber Bill Richardson's head will spin off his torso he'll be so confused about whose ass he should be attaching his lips to.

[Danger Mouse]

1. Your argument is fatally flawed.

[DemVet]

3. How so?

[Danger Mouse]

5. Clinton's claim to a popular vote lead is ridiculous.

She includes a state that doesn't even vote in the general election, discounts caucus states that Obama won, and fully counts Michigan and Floriday.
Not only THAT, but as much as she wishes otherwise, popular vote does not determine the winner of the nomination.
Delegates do. And Obama is going to win that fight.

[DemVet]

13. What state...

...doesn't vote in the GE? I'm assuming you mean PR (not a state). Popular vote will have a big influence over the SD's, MI and FL included. Though we don't know yet the outcome of their delegate seating, a couple of million Democrats voted in those "primaries" whether we like it or not.

[onenote]

39. Popular vote's "influence" on SDs

Unlike some of those trying to make the popular vote into an issue here, the SDs actually are not naieve, dishonest or stupid.

Let's imagine a discussion about the popular vote with, let's say, John Conyers, SD from Michigan:

You: Mr. Conyers, you should support Hillary because she won the "popular" vote during the primary campaign.

Conyers: Really? How were the votes from my state, Michigan, tabulated in this "popular vote" calculation.

You: Well, we gave HRC the votes she received in your state's primary.

Conyers: And Obama?

You: We gave him nothing.

Conyers: So you think it reflects the will of the people of Michigan to assume that there is no popular suppoort of Obama in our state whatsoever?

You: Yes.

Conyers: So you count votes from Puerto Rico, which doesn't get a say in the GE, but my support, and the support of hundreds of thousands of other Michigan citizens for Obama is discounted as a nullity and not reflective of the "will of the people"?

You: Yes

Conyers: Get the fuck out of my office, you moron.

Now, imagine that same conversation with the SDs from various states that conducted caucuses -- except add in, before the point where you are tossed out the SDs office, the statement that you are advocating that the voters in that particular state, who expressed their support for Obama through caucuses duly conducted in accordance with the rules of the party, should not be counted, but the popular vote from a tainted election in Michigan should be counted, albeit only for one candidate.
Actually, in those instances, the SD won't just demand that you leave his/her office, he/she will have you physically removed.

[papapi]

33. The Commonwealth of Puerto Rico is a territory, not a state...

...that is why it doesn't have a vote in the GE.

[livingmadness]

2. Lawdy. How embarrassing will it be

5 days from now, to have been spouting drivel for months and STILL have your candidate lose? Ah well, at least there are no questions as to whose ass your lips are attached to ...

[cboy4]

7. My candidate John Edwards did lose when he dropped

out.

There's only one winner. Why would it be embarrassing to lose livingmadness?

You don't seem particularly intelligent in the sense you believe Obama will be able to win the GE without the support of Hillary Clinton voters.

And we all know he can not. He will be crushed by McCain without the tens of millions who support Hillary.

[Richard Steele]

10. So, you're saying that none of Hillary's supporters will vote Dem in November?

:shrug:

[cboy4]

15. No, I'm sure most will......I'm telling a very cocky

livingmadness that Obama needs the support of Hillary supporters.

Some Obama fans think he is so powerful, he can some how magically win with just the support of his voters.

And we all know that's laughable.

[Richard Steele]

65. I'll agree with you there. We need every Dem and most of the independants...

...and even a few Repub crossovers for good measure.

I think Obama can get them.

[Butch350]

73. So what Happens if Hillary gets Nom

Then some Obama suporters will not vote for Hillary! (Mexican Standoff)?

[livingmadness]

11. Why would it be embarrassing to WIN cboy4?

How do you know how 'tens of millions' of Hillary supporters will vote? And 6 months out from the GE? Forget intelligence, you obviously are prescient. Lucky you!

[WonderGrunion]

22. Psssst

Edwards hearts Obama now.

Just saying.

[blogslut]

4. You make me sad

Such a waste of words and energy. Isn't it time to start directing your ire at the Republicans?

[uponit7771]

8. I'm hip, people need to redirect their anger towards Mc4MoreWars

[cboy4]

9. I can divide my ire blogslut....but I appreciate your

concern.

[cali]

23. really? you haven't exactly demonstrated that- at all.

your ire is consigned to all things Obama.

[cboy4]

26. Well Obama irritates me. Why wouldn't I speak out about

that?

[Cirque du So-What]

43. Gonna be a long summer & fall for you then

Will you shout 'SERENITY NOW!!!' every time before visiting DU to keep from posting about how much Barack Obama irritates you? The day is fast approaching when open criticism of the Democratic nominee will no longer be tolerated. Getting tombstoned over an inability to control one's rage...how embarrassing is that?

[cboy4]

50. There's nothing wrong with constructive criticism Cirque.

I criticize lots of Democrats when they deserve it.

And if Obama says something that irritates me in August or February 2009, you can count on me speaking my opinion.

This is, ummmm, a discussion board.

[cali]

45. You're the one that claimed you could divide your ire

You can't. You're obsessed with your hate of Obama.

[cboy4]

52. No, I actually don't hate him....he just irritates me....He's like

the co-worker you never want to talk to in the hallway.

[Kokonoe]

6. Theres no way to count a popular vote in the primary. nt

[Warren Stupidity]

12. Will you support the Democratic Party nominee?

[JVS]

14. Who cares about that? Will he shut up?

[Warren Stupidity]

17. good point. wrong forum obviously

I'll take it elsewhere.

[cboy4]

25. Senator Obama would probably advise you to keep your

mouth shut as he needs every vote he can get.

[JVS]

27. Take your threats elsewhere. You are in charge of your own decision.

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[cboy4]

24. Oh boy. How many time have I said this? I've said if Obama

is the nominee, I will circle in his name at the voting booth, I will then throw up everywhere, and then drive home.

See, he gets my vote because I'm a loyal Democrat.

[Warren Stupidity]

28. so that would be a 'no': no support.

Not surprising. Kerry wasn't exactly at the top of my list, but I worked my ass off for him. I supported Clinton twice, even though I never liked him or his triangulating bullshit. McGovern was the only presidential candidate I actually agreed with politically. Time to cowboy up. Our party has made its choice, the primary season is over and now is the time to unify and work together.

[cboy4]

32. What do you want from me Warren? Blood? I said I would

vote for Obama if he's the nominee.

But I'm not lifting a finger to help him in the GE.

[papapi]

57. A loyal Democrat wouldn't act this way at the polling place. I pity you.

[cboy4]

59. "A loyal Democrat wouldn't act this way at the polling place"

:spray:

I can't breathe!!!

[billyoc]

16. No.

[Kahuna]

18. Why do you want to disenfranchise caucus states? Do you

hate Ameria? :patriot:

[Hope And Change]

19. You Need To Be Banned!

[cboy4]

29. Riiiiight, because I'm not an Obama fan. Please. :eyes:

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

41. Ya, cause so many people get banned from this site for not liking Obama.

[cboy4]

44. I know when I first signed up in 2002, the rules were very

clear.

"Must be an Obama fan!11!" :eyes:

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

69. The fact that you, Tellurian, OzarkDem, etc are still here...

...indicates to me that Obama fandom ain't a requirement here.

[cboy4]

76. Of course it's not.....It's people like Ozark and myself

who make DU interesting.

[Why Syzygy]

20. Embarassing for whom?

Popular vote is impossible to determine. But you know that.

[FSogol]

21. Is this Clinton's meme of the day or are you winging it?

And stop sliming Richardson.

[cboy4]

35. I think I loathe Joe Lieberman only slightly more than

Bill Richardson.

[Window]

30. Since you were an Edwards supporter, you should follow his lead (or not), but

you really need to give it a break. My, my, such a hard-on for Sen. Obama and Bill Richardson.

[onenote]

31. I don't know. You explain to me how you calculate a "majority" of the popular vote

in a system that doesn't account for the popular vote in one-third of the states.

[dkf]

34. I bet lots of people that voted for Hillary are regretting it big time.

I used to like the Clintons, but that was ages ago. I'm soooo over them now.

[lojasmo]

36. I do believe I have the vapors.

I must clutch my pearls.

[Cirque du So-What]

37. Your irrational Bill Richardson hate-on stems from his betrayal of Clinton?

Nevermind what may be best for the nation? Not saying that's the case here, but from your OP it appears that your grievance is strictly with his switching of endorsement. How petty is that?

[AllentownJake]

40. He never endorsed Hillary to begin with

In fact he thought at one point he would make a better President than her and ran against her.

[Cirque du So-What]

48. You're right...my bad

Still, the OP apparently believes that Bill Richardson had signed some oath of fealty to the Clintons and that this betrayal demands retribution.

[AllentownJake]

51. In the OPs mind

He hates Obama he doesn't love the Clintons.

[cboy4]

58. But he was leaning toward endorsing her, which is why he

watched the Super Bowl with President Clinton as late as February.

He wants a White House job.

But then he decided Obama was probably going to be the nominee, and he would be doing the White House hiring .. so he dropped Hillary.

Even a piece of driftwood is smart enough to figure that out Jake.

[AllentownJake]

60. He's a politian

Are you new to this. This is what they do.

Also talk about betrayal, He thought he was better than both of them because HE RAN FOR PRESIDENT

[cboy4]

61. No, running for president is not a betrayal. For one thing,

he was never going to be a threat.

Please, I can build a bridge to Neptune sooner than Bill Richardson will ever be president.

And secondly, there's only one job opening for president.

Friends know they're going to have to run against each other.

[AllentownJake]

63. Wierd Logic

By running for President in the first place he was saying I don't think Hillary should be President. I should. Than after he drops out and had time to watch the race he made a judgement that Obama was the better candidate. He might want a White House job as well and part of picking that was who would most likely help me in getting that job i.e. actually being elected President.

Just because you have wings with an old friend and his wife happens to be running for President doesn't mean you owe your old friend's wife anything.

[cboy4]

54. Exactly. His betrayal of Clinton. His complete absence of

personal loyalty, his arrogance, and his mooching of White House jobs.

Why doesn't he ever get his own White House job? He's always sucking up to someone, so he has his own key to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

[RooferDem]

38. Come on. How embarrassing will it be if Obama gets the

nomination, and during his victory speech on Tuesday he has a little glob of mustard on his upper lip!

[casus belli]

46. Stop disenfranchising voters.

It's unbecoming a Democrat to insist on using numbers that don't include caucus states. Lay this to rest already. She is behind. In every metric.

[frickaline]

47. yeah, you're right

He doesn't have the popular vote once you stop counting all those pesky votes. They do tend to get in the way don't they?

[Clark2008]

49. Don't you mean,

"How embarrassing will it be if Obama gets the nomination without a majority of the white vote,"?

Because, honestly, that's what this whole exercise sounds like.

[sfam]

53. What's truly embarrassing is that anyone is buying into this argument...

Truly it is. What's worse, we've been told that those who don't buy into this fantasy are probably sexist. I just have to shake my head at those who think Hillary still has a future political career in this party. Personally, I don't think the Kennedy thing for her is in the cards either. She's lost too much respect.

[papapi]

55. Not embarrassing at all. He will have enough elected delagates to become the nominee.

Your continued refusal to refrain from bashing Obama with senseless drivel is annoying. Please stop.

[cboy4]

56. You people post unflattering photos and cartoons of

Hillary, and outnumber Hillary supporters by about 20 to 1.

And you want me to stop?

Now that's funny.

[DeeDeeNY]

62. The nomination is based on delegates. Nothing else.

[Jersey Devil]

64. LOL, still trying to fly that one?

[mdmc]

66. Still, Obama can say he did what the vast right wing conspiracy couldn't

he beat the Clintons.

[rove karl rove]

70. yes he can

but taking out a Clinton is only going to impress the Republicans, who'll stick with McLame.

[mdmc]

74. but those 'undecided'

will chose either Obama or McCain.
Perhaps HRC and Bigdog can swing some of them. I wonder which way they will push.

[seabeyond]

67. how embarrassing is it hillary and her supporters can not do simple math n/t

[Darth_Kitten]

68. Right, just like when Obama said there were 57 states? Your candidate...

can't count I guess. :rofl:

Thanks, this was too easy.

[seabeyond]

71. there is a difference between making a mistake and lying about numbers

continually being pointed out you are lying about numbers and continuing the lying about numbers.

if you can really compare hillary claiming she is ahead in popular vote, which is a lie, not true, a non truth to obama once making a mistake in speech, .... then you too are part of the ignore to press your agenda in dishonesty.

i dont respect that. i dont care the side, or the person.... but for people to expect to be taken seriously in lie isnt gonna happen

[Doityourself]

72. Last goal post, huh..lol When he does win the pop vote, I expect you to hush it up!

[IsItJustMe]

75. FAIL

[Yanez Houston Jordan]

77. Hillary has spent well over twice as much money as any failed primary candidate in history, plus

she has the most recent past Democratic president (who remains popular) campaigning for her in the primary in a way that is entirely unprecedented in history (Bush didn't push his halfwit son with even one quarter of the fanaticism that Bill employs to push Hillary), and much of the DNC structure and membership is personally indebted to the Clintons in a way and to a degree that is unique.

After Hillary die-hards spent all of 2007 assuring us that she could not possible lose because she was totally inevitable, why do Hillary die-hards feign shock that the primary's popular vote remains close?