What's it about this primary that's sending good people off the deep-end?

[rucky]

After 7 years of The Decider showing us on a daily basis that they can do whatever the fuck they please and there's nothing anybody can do about it.

After 2 years of regaining some balance of power and having little effect on the damage done to our freedom, economy, and security.

So I guess it's up to the next president to restore the nation back to sanity. The stakes are high because if a Democratic president and Democratic congress let us down, there's really no place else to go.

So yeah, anybody who's convinced that Candidate X will let us down, but Candidate Y won't, will be a bit desperate if it looks like X is winning and Y is losing. So it really IS hope that's keeping this thing going, so far - with a sense of looming hopelessness in the background.

The truth is, all a Democratic majority does is give us a larger voice - and more people willing to listen to us. So anybody with an expectation that a President will fix (or ruin) everything places too much into that office. All it does is give us the means to govern. But that's a good thing, isn't it? Kind of takes the anxiety out of "who do you trust?" because it's putting US back in control.

So if you don't think Obama can save our nation, you're right. He can't and he's never claimed to be able to. But that doesn't mean we're doomed, by any means.

[Perry Logan]

1. Obama's cheating, his campaign's Rovean tactics, and the misogyny of his fans.

[rucky]

2. Thank you for your prompt response.

I look forward to your thoughts once you actually read the post.

[RC]

6. Please supply examples of what you have posted.

Preferably with links to reliable sources.

[Kittycat]

27. Links? Because Clinton is the one passing out Rove Maps.

[Richard Steele]

28. You're nothing but consistent, Perry.

[cliffordu]

33. Hillary's cheating, her campaign's Rovean tactics, and the misogyny of her fans.

[SoFlaJet]

3. there's a lot at stake this time rucky

not only are people hurting the fate of this nation has been put in peril by these fuckers that have been running things since 2000. I remember a guy who lived across the street from me in 2000 said that his boss was going to kill himself if Bush didn't get in...talk about deep enders. We are getting close to that kind of mania and it shows with responses from idiots like the guy before me who likes to scream at cameras like a child

[rucky]

12. November will be an interesting month.

to say the least.

I have some bubbly in the fridge, but I expect some ugliness in the streets - one way or another.

[janx]

4. Republicans. n/t

[LakeSamish706]

5. Obama can save our nation by persuading our Congress to get back in ...

the game again. Congress has wimped out on every occasion in the past 7 1/2 years (even since Democrats regained control of the house and Senate in 06). If we have a Complete Democratic sweep of Congress with a Democratic Presidency we can rapidly put this country back together again. There are many things that need to be corrected, but it can be done if the will is there to do it and that means getting tough on Corporations.

Edited to say:

I see this as one of the most crucial times in the history of the US and if we fail now, there may not be another time to correct a nation gone bad before we implode.

[depakid]

8. "getting tough on Corporations."

Obama's NEVER done that in his entire career.

What makes you think that either he or the cowardly complicit congress will change their stripes in 2009 (in the event that McCain loses)?

[LakeSamish706]

9. Thats a risk we face isn't it? If we don't change things big time, I'm afraid...

this country is doomed. We are at a crossroads, and it is up to the people to make the correct decission "Now" or live with there choices. We cannot afford even 4 more years of a Bush Doctrine, cause I don't think many will survive it.

[JVS]

7. What makes you think those people are good?

[rucky]

10. We've seen plenty of folks reach their breaking point around here

over the years.

There's no doubt a good share of trolls around here, but not all of them by any means. You've been around long enough to know.

[JVS]

11. Maybe they've become bad. It's sad when an old friend goes all rabid like Old Yeller

[rucky]

13. kick

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

14. Policy wise, there is little difference btw the two

Which might actually be the reason for all the bad feelings--there are no issue differences upon which to focus, so it goes to personality and actions, which lead to heightened feelings.

When Kucinich dropped out Jan. 25, I lost interest in the primaries. Snow and pneumonia kept me from even voting in my primary, but I doubt if I would have, anyway. What I did do was continue to support Kucinich and other progressives who are fighting for Congressional seats. We need more progressives in Congress. By supporting them, I'm supporting my overall goal. I'm flabbergasted that any Dem would say they will vote GOP if their Tweedledum doesn't get the nomination because Tweedledee does. They are not helping their cause. They could follow my course of action, which I assure them is more satisfying and will lead to a fostering of their goals.

[rucky]

16. Much better way to channel energy

while we wait out the Bush nightmare.

[MethuenProgressive]

15. DU's HillHaters went 'off the deep end' on Clinton long before this primary cycle.

DU has become an echochamber for the hatespeech they learned in the 90s.
DU does have some actual Obama supporters, but they're overshadowed.

[rucky]

17. Aye, Thar be some looniness on both ends.

Do you think my op explains the nature of it? It covers the "messiah" extreme as well as the "must be stopped at all costs" extreme.

:shrug:

[rucky]

18. another double post

bizarro

[Richard Steele]

29. You're nothing but consistent, MP.

[Orsino]

19. The raw wounds on the nation that need immediate and extensive treatment. n/t

[Marie26]

20. People care too much

We've all seen what choosing the wrong President can do to a country & both sides are convinced that their candidate is the only way to avoid disaster again.

[rucky]

25. That sums it up. n/t

[Straight Shooter]

21. "But that doesn't mean we're doomed, by any means."

We were doomed when Reagan won. By all accounts, however, we continue to survive with our two steps forward one step back.

As for Obama, I don't know if he claims to save the nation. His campaign certainly subtly pushes that theme, and his supporters seem to generally support that notion. The sense of desperation is almost palpable, that he, and only he, can bring this nation back to "greatness."

He's the consummate politician, guided by consummate handlers. I expect to be served a main course of governmental stasis in the next 4 years, with side dishes consisting of a lot of pretty talk.

[rucky]

23. And in four years, you can say "I told you so" n/t

[Straight Shooter]

30. That's one phrase I've never used in my life. But feel free to assume to your heart's content. n/t

[rucky]

31. I assume Obama means what he says

at least as much as politics allows for stuff like that.

This tragic ending that you predict is because you assume differently. And in the end, we're both assuming because that's all we really have to go on. Which is the point of my OP. If we want to feel we have some control over the outcome of the next four years, we have to participate, instead of hanging back and either cheering our hero or boo-ing the villain.

[Straight Shooter]

34. "Tragic ending"?

:wtf:

Look up the meaning of the word "stasis."

[rucky]

35. I'll ignore the condescention and admit that now I'm really confused

because I thought our current government has met at least the minimum criteria for fascism. So your narrative is Obama will be more of the same we have under Bush? But that's not tragic or anything.

Wow.

[Straight Shooter]

36. I mean, do you know what stasis is?

"inactivity resulting from a static balance between opposing forces"

What's tragic about that? That's what I foresee. At best, Obama will be a tourniquet, but he will not heal what's wrong. He is a politician.

[crankychatter]

22. I don't believe for a minute that we can win the General if this goes to Convention

no matter which candidate we nominate at that time

Obama needs time to properly campaign ... Clinton's negatives are too high

It will take an act of God

I may be expecting the worst but I'm hoping for the best

[rucky]

24. I really don't think I can handle four more years of McBushco.

[nxylas]

26. Short answer: the length

This primary season has been going on for a million years now, and the tension is driving everyone a little crazy, myself included.

[crankychatter]

32. define "good" - nt

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