Clinton did not raise 10mil in 24 hours: FEC reports-THEY LIED

[Ichingcarpenter]

According to this FEC report, Hillary raised only 4.3 million
in the 48 hours following Pennsylvania.

She raised 1.7 mil on April 23rd and 2.6 mil on April 24th.
That's 5.7 million shy of her claim that she raised 10 million
in the first 24 hours following that state's primary.








http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2008/M5/C00431569/A_DATE_C00431569.html

[lisa58]

1. I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you

[polpilot]

6. YOU'RE NOTHING MORE THAN A SEXIST MATHEMATICIAN!!!!!

[lisa58]

7. You found me out...

...I'm sooooo ashamed.

[PoliticalAmazon]

108. You're probably packing an abacus, too. n/t

[arewenotdemo]

68. he only uses crooked numbers

[iamthebandfanman]

91. math has a male bias

we all know that.

[Ichingcarpenter]

13. HRC conference Call - "We raised $10 million in 24 hours"

Posted in 2008 Presidential Race, Hillary Clinton, National, Politics by vjp on April 23rd, 2008

I, along with some 3,100 other Clinton supporters, just completed a conference call with the Senator, Campaign Chairman, Terry McAuliffe, and some of the fundraising staff. (Sorry - I didn’t catch all the names.) A couple of quick things:

* All said that Clinton was outspent by about 3:1 in Pennsylvania
* Since 10pm last night, Clinton has raised $10 million online, from some 60,000 new contributors
* Looking at the electoral map, Clinton has won the Democratic states plus 4 key battleground states, representing some 285 electoral votes.

The Senator was quite pleased with the results last night, saying that as they look deeper into the results, there is more good news there. She said there was “a broad base of support that it will take to win in November.” Calling from Indianapolis, Clinton said this was her 50th visit there.


http://blog.vivianpaige.com/2008/04/23/hrc-conference-call-10-million-raised-since-last-night/

[Cha]

103. Does that mean all hilary's cc are lies and bogus crap?

'Cause I kinda suspect they are.

[rickmorrow]

170. I sued these guys.

In my lawsuit Richard Morrow vs. Kimball Petition Management, SDR Technologies, Fred Kimball, Kelly Kimball and Don Armstrong in Van Nuys Superior Court I was able to dig up over 8 boxes of evidence showing that officers of the companies lied under oath and defrauded subcontractors, including myself. I caught Fred Kimball quoting statistics from my program to a reporter for the Kansas City Star on July 18, 1998 about 1½ months after giving final notice to pay me for the 6 months work I did creating a program and within 3 days of registration of my copyrights. (See LOC) SDR Technologies sold 700,000 shares of stock for $1/share to the Hahn & Hahn Law Firm one month after getting a sole source contract with the California Secretary of State 3 times in excess of the maximum sole source award amount under CMAS after 13 potential contractors were identified, 3 of whom expressed an interest in bidding, after initially being rejected. One month after the sale of this stock it was announced that SDR Technologies would be sold in a 1 for 1 stock swap to National Information Consortium, whose shares were trading at $55/share. Within 4 months of the the sale of stock the deal was finalized at $17½ per share. I have official documents of the Hahn & Hahn stock purchases. National Information Consortium's own financial statements show a substantial loan from Kimball Petition Management to SDR Technologies. KPM used my program in the Boats in the Moats initiative in Missouri and the California Indian Gaming Initiative, as well as other petition drives to generate these funds. The State of Missouri sued SDR Technologies for Breach of Contract. I have copies of the lawsuit. I have emails between Kelly Kimball and another contractor where Kelly lulled him into his office under promise of payment, then not paying him after they took his software in another room to 'evaluate' it. He is still owed about $32K. I sued for about 6 months work. As the surviving corporation I consider NICUSA to be a dishonest company. NICUSA was exposed as including license renewal fees as revenue ala Priceline including airline tickets as revenue. The real accounting revenue was restated to simply the fees collected after some executives cashed out. The founding CEO resigned recently after an auditor found he was using company funds for his personal piggy bank, but he is still the Chairman of the Board. I originally sued pro per but had to hire an attorney after SDR demurred and counter-sued. I just wanted to get paid for my work but these guys strung me out in legal proceedings for 4 years. A competitor sued SDR Technologies for trying to create an artificial monopoly in political campaign finance reporting by getting ethics agencies and secretaries of state to specify proprietary data interchange formats in bids for these contracts instead of open data interchange formats created by standards bodies. Substantial work was done for the Federal Election Commission in SDR's wholly owned Indian-based subsidiary while American programmers got stiffed. SDR is now NICUSA.

Let's put this in perspective. SDR Technologies had artificial monopolies in political campaign finance reporting. They had contracts for driver's license renewals. They consulted for gaming companies, including getting the first California lottery initiatives passed. SDR Technologies is now National Information Consortium. Do you trust this company to give you the straight skinny? I hope not.

[Dammit Ann]

171. O.K. Who are you?

Why one post now? Where have you been? The straight skinny? O.K.

[truebrit71]

2. You are suprised that Hillary lied?

Didya just fall off the turnip truck?? ;-)

I'd be fucking amazed if she told the TRUTH for once...

[NJmaverick]

3. This sort of calculated and blatant lying makes Hillary ill suited

to represent the Democratic party in any fashion. Her complete lack of honesty, makes her only suited to run as a Republican.

DISGRACEFUL! UTTERLY DISGRACEFUL!

[CanonRay]

15. True, but she could become a Republican spokesperson.

[me b zola]

75. Could? I believe that she has become a repub spokesperson (n/t)

[Ichingcarpenter]

24. This is a WMD type story- But I guess some people don't mind

being lied to, if the ends justifies the means.

[DeschutesRiver]

77. Sure would be fun to see this kind of behavior

coming out of the WH, huh? That is why most people by now ought to know that she'd be nothing more than a Bush third term. I am puzzled by those of her supporters who still defend her methods - they would be singing a different tune after her 2nd year in office, by then it would be clear they'd elected another monster.

She has bent rules, moved goal posts based on fake math, made up lies about Bosnia to pretend to be a war hero, lied about being the creator of peace in N. Irelnd, refused to admit mistakes, race baited, suggested staying in just in case of an late assassination, threatened to OBLITERATE troublemakers in the ME, lied about finances, doesn't keep her word re FL/MI, and on and on. From an alleged "democrat".

I am simply not interested in having 4 years of this kind of crap.

[NJmaverick]

78. I think most of her remaining supporters, are either not aware

of all the things she has done, or are just too stubborn to admit they backed a bad candidate. Think about the 25-30 percent of Americans that think bush is doing a good job.

[DeschutesRiver]

86. Good point

hadn't thought about those bush supporters who say they are still happy with his performance. It is just hard to believe it, but it is true.

[PBS Poll-435]

99. What if it isn't a lie. Would you owe her an apology?

This is an Obama-camp fantasy.

Much like her 1040s.

[roguevalley]

100. the actual paperwork with actual numbers on it with dates. I am

sad for you. try this. what if it actually is the truth, which it is. no apology necessary.

[PBS Poll-435]

104. Sad for me? It seems some people need to make HRC a monster

So that they feel better about their own tactics.

The numbers are out there and the dates don't mean anything because of online contributions.

[IsItJustMe]

131. I don't have to make her a monster. Some people are just very dishonest. That is the way it is.

Some people try very hard in their life, not to make it a habit of lying. These people that find honesty a virtue, have a hard time when people lie to them, because they believe it is wrong.

[TLM]

172. The dates don;t mean anything.... you mean the truth doesn't matter.

She said they raised 10 million in the 24 hours after Pennsylvania... they raised less than half that amount.

How is that anything other than a lie?


She did not mix up numbers or accidentally state the wrong amount, she flat out lied and fabricated donations that NEVER came in.

[PBS Poll-435]

176. Not true

But alas, I am not going to be able to convince you.

Apparantly, she just had a really good 8 days after the PA Primary.

Nearly 700% increase in fundraising!

[livetohike]

4. Her campaign honchos are full of pathological liars so this

is not a surprise. How sad is it to earn a living by having to constantly lie for your job? Pathetic.

[goclark]

48. In this day of internet ~ why do they keep telling lies?

Their lies just keep coming and they seem not to care that we know instantly when they lie.

They are either lost in the 60's politics or they know something we don't know. :shrug:

[livetohike]

53. Sadly, there are many people (Senior citizens) and others

who don't use computers. I have several friends who are my age (55) that either don't use the computer, or only use it for e-mailing.....so all the news they see is what is fed to them via MSM.

DU saved my mental sanity when I joined in early 2004 :-).

[Pirate Smile]

5. I kind of assume they are lying now unless it is proven otherwise.

[marmar]

8. Sad but true....

It's the Baghdad Bob campaign now.

[greguganus]

9. Water is wet, fire is hot, and hillary lies. n/t

[FatDave]

105. And I heard somewhere that asparagus makes your piss stink...

:toast: to WRP

[KittyWampus]

10. no no they said they were on their way to raising 10 million.

Oy

[Ichingcarpenter]

20. Bullshit- Here is the Money quote from their campaign

“Since our victory last night — at 10 o’clock at night — to where we are today, as of exactly 2:35, we have raised $10 million online from grass-roots supporters going to HillaryClinton.com, making $10, $20, $50 contributions,” he told more than 3,000 donors who dialed into a conference call with him, McAuliffe and Clinton herself.

“Sixty thousand new contributors to the campaign, brand-new contributors to this effort going to our website, to HillaryClinton.com,” Mantz added. “It is unbelievable what’s going on right now.”


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9889.html

[arewenotdemo]

73. “It is unbelievable what’s going on right now.”

Well, that was true.

[Mimosa]

175. The lies continue

I remember when they said it. I was amazed. As it turns out they were lying.

Yes, a Hillary administration would be like Bush's.

[Me.]

11. Given Her Campaign's Fuzzy Math

In the alternative universe she lives in 5.7 probably does equal 10

[Buzz Clik]

34. ... and it was repeated on ALL news outlets. As planned.

ABC, MSNBC, NPR, FOX. Over and over again.

[Me.]

41. I'LL Be Looking To See

If this gets the same amount of coverage

[PBS Poll-435]

43. God I hope so...

It will be *Shit-Gate* all over again.

Another obvious lie, another day.

(And not from the Clinton side...)

[Me.]

58. I See You're An Advocate Of Rove Type Numbers

Just like he had the numbers in 2006 she has them now. And she's quoting him.

:silly:

[PBS Poll-435]

62. Reality = "Rove-type" numbers?

Given the data presented, it is either an act of ignorance or just plain dishonest to claim that Hillary Clinton or her campaign lied about fund-raising numbers.

[Me.]

76. She Can't

Show us the money. No more need be said.

[PBS Poll-435]

85. Um...it really is quite easy

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6170453&mesg_id=6170453

[Me.]

96. That's Ok, You Go Ahead

Everyone needs to believe in something, even if it's that 22 days + 24 hours

[Hawkeye-X]

89. When did you turn to be an Obama supporter?

IIRC, you were a hard Hillary supporter.

[PBS Poll-435]

94. Um...

Still for Hillary.

....I know the drill

But I will vote for Obama if he is the nominee!


Plus raise funds and help with the campaign.

[lojasmo]

107. Who is it? I should update my list.

[roguevalley]

101. delusion suits you somehow. I hope you get help soon though.

[PBS Poll-435]

109. I am very well, thank you.

And I can read FEC reports (and tell you what is included and what isn't.)

[IsItJustMe]

133. And the way our msm works, you will now never hear the truth of it. SAD and pathetic.

[NanceGreggs]

59. Just a simple matter ...

... of "rounding up".

[dancingme]

12. Gerri Farraro claims the FEC is sexist

Sexist! Sexist! Sexist!

[Kittycat]

22. Says she might not vote for them next year.

:rofl:

[JVS]

14. You forgot Clintonite compound rounding

Day 1: $1.7M rounds to $2M
Day 2: $2.6M rounds to $3M

Total $5M rounds to nearest 10Million, so we get $10M

[bobbert]

36. lol, compound rounding

Thought I'd never hear that one again. :spray:

[IsItJustMe]

135. LOL. Hell yes it is. Rove rounding. I have heard of it. Must be that darn new math they are

teaching the kids now days.

[Brundle_Fly]

16. Actually

It was technically, Lanny Davis who lied, everyone else just at that point made it a talking point,

[Richard Steele]

17. *sigh* K&R

[rucky]

18. All the lies that drag this out point to one motive that makes sense...

Hillary is looking for suckers so she can cut her losses.

[Buzz Clik]

19. The Hillary crowd has not formulated a response -- yet.

There is no excuse for lying and attempting to manipulate the media.

The response will come, but it will come and it will be coordinated.

Wait for it.

[PBS Poll-435]

45. No lies. Just people that can't read or understand FEC reports.

Sad, actually.

[tekisui]

120. I don't understand.

Her campaign claimed they raised $10 million in 24 hours, they didn't according to the report. How do you reconcile it?

[PBS Poll-435]

126. Explain Obama's 4/1 total and then get back to me.

You would think that shit would have been advertised!

12.5 Million in ONE DAY!

:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

[tekisui]

129. Make your point.

You are saying Hillary raised $10 million in the 24 hours after PA, but the money was collected throughout the remainder of the month?

[PBS Poll-435]

132. I am saying that 15 million in 8 days gives credibility to the 10 million dollar claim.

10 Million after PA and then 714K each day after that.

Give or take.

The FEC daily contribution reports don't appear to be accurate (or even need to be accurate.)

[TLM]

173. The FEC daily contribution reports don't appear to be accurate

LOL!!!!!!!

Hillary lies about daily contributions, then the reports come out showing she lied... and your response is that the reports must not be accurate?


In the 48 hours after Pennsylvania, she raised ONLY $4,316,884.89.

She lied and said in 24 hours they raised 10 million.


No level of enron style accounting will make her claims true.

[Crunchy Frog]

47. This is just another smear by the Obama campaign.

They're getting desperate because they know we're ahead in popular votes.

[PBS Poll-435]

52. This isn't from his campaign. This is from the internetz.

People shouldn't attempt to analyze reports/forms/statements that they can't understand.

(They make fools of themselves)

Just like Hillary's 1040s

Just like the Clinton Family Foundation 990s

On and On and On...

[Buzz Clik]

92. Right on schedule.

thanks

[Politicalboi]

179. I would say those

Who think the popular vote counts in this primary are the desperate ones.

[IsItJustMe]

136. If she will lie about little things, it's damn scary to think about the big things that come to us

in life.

[WVRevy]

21. Something doesn't seem right

If you look at McCain's listing for the same time period, he has several days with negative totals. I think that list must be something more than just funds donated during that time period.

Don't get me wrong...I wouldn't be surprised in the least if she lied about it. I'm just not sure I trust those numbers, based on the negatives in the McCain column.

[PBS Poll-435]

35. Yeah....

The OP is dishonest, or doesn't have a flippin' clue.

[Ichingcarpenter]

39. No, the numbers did not add up. They lied and you are delusional

Keep making excuses

[PBS Poll-435]

42. Excuses for what?

They had SIXTEEN MILLION dollars in contributions the last 8 days of the month.

Where is the lie?

[Vinca]

23. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. Maybe they counted pledges. nt

[Ichingcarpenter]

28. “Everybody will see the accuracy of the numbers"

“We’re very proud of these numbers,” Daou said. As for the variations between the figures, Daou said that all the numbers and projections released “over the course of the 24-hour period campaign officials including myself, the communications team and the chairman … were accurate statements.”

And he promised the numbers will be borne out when the campaign files its next financial report with the Federal Election Commission on May 20.

“Everybody will see, as we’ve seen for the past 14 months … the accuracy of the numbers,” he said, adding “FEC reports are as definitive as you can get in terms of proving fundraising.”

Peter Daou, Clinton’s Internet director

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9889_Page2.html

[PBS Poll-435]

40. They raised almost 16 million from April 22nd to the end of the month.

And they were averaging about $258K per day before 4/22.

I thought ya'll could do "math?"

[krkaufman]

162. Except 9.5 of that came ON the 30th

The question is .... from where? Grassroots supporters?

[TLM]

174. Did she says they averaged 10 million? Or did she says they raised 10 million in 24 hours?

When the FEC report they say is accurate, shows only $4,316,884.89 for the 48 hours after Pennsylvania.

[workinclasszero]

25. Hillary...LIED???? Say it ain't so Hillary!

Now if she told the truth about anything that would be big news.

But saying Hillary Rodham Clinton, serial liar, lied is like saying the sun came up this morning.

Liars lie, its just what they do.

[PBS Poll-435]

26. ROFL - But they raised 9.5 Million on April 30?

No.

Merchant Services delays?

FEC eligibilty?

Follow-through on pledges?

[berni_mccoy]

31. 6.4 million more in loans from the Clinton campaign.

[PBS Poll-435]

33. Would LOANS show up on a contributions/receipts report?

Probably not...

[berni_mccoy]

51. Yep.

[PBS Poll-435]

56. They are disclosed and grouped differently

Section I., Line 17 (a-e) is for reporting contributions.
Section I., Line 19 (a-c) is for reporting loans guaranteed by the candidate and other loans.

[berni_mccoy]

87. In that chart yes. But it's still cash received in the original day-by-day list.

[PBS Poll-435]

98. Wrong again.

The FEC chart from 4/1-4/30 totals 21+ million.

Her total receipts from April totals 26+ million.

Want to guess where the 5 million dollar difference comes from ?

:eyes:

[mohc]

54. They do not seem to be included

The sum of the contributions by date is $21,046,691.04. While not an exact match, this comes closest to the contributions from individuals and pacs in the summary, without the $5,000,000 in loans. Loans are included in the total receipts portion of the summary, but this contributions by date is purely contributions.

[PBS Poll-435]

57. Thanks.

[CoffeeCat]

27. At this point, her campaign...

...is an illusion.

For the past couple of months, her entire campaign has been smoke and mirrors.

The appearance of her candidacy--at this point--is all done with mirrors and wires. And a bit of dry ice.

[unblock]

29. sure she did! it came from her own checking account!

she LENT the campaign that money!

:rofl:

[CoffeeCat]

30. You guys aren't being fair!

Quit bashing on Hillary!

It takes weeks for all of those third-party, out-of-state checks to clear!

;)

[meow mix]

32. hello, dont remember Clintobot-Rounding techniques?

.3 is a lot closer to .5 than 0
so 4.3 = 5

and then the 5 rounds up to 10 because odd numbers under 10 are confusing, and smaller.
:hi:

[Ichingcarpenter]

37. “It is unbelievable what’s going on right now.”

“Sixty thousand new contributors to the campaign, brand-new contributors to this effort going to our website, to HillaryClinton.com,” Mantz added. “It is unbelievable what’s going on right now.”


Didn't we just have a President that lied us into a War? Do the Democrats want another
President that Lies to her supporters?

[PBS Poll-435]

38. I love that this OP is brought by the same people that brought us "math."

:rofl:

[Crunchy Frog]

44. They lied!? No!!!! That can't be. They would never do something like that!!!!11

[zulchzulu]

46. Ya mean Lanny Davis lied? I'm just not sure I can take it!

[Bolo Boffin]

49. Was the difference what she raised for the general election?

I haven't looked at it yet to tell.

[L0oniX]

50. Ugg She devil speak with forked tung Ugg

[WA98296]

55. Those LIES were told to entice yet more people to donate, it is FRAUD.

[Coexist]

60. is anyone actually surprised?

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

61. Breaking: Bear Craps in Woods

[quantass]

63. No Surprises there ... We all knew and thus, not much news to me.

You could just feel hillary would say, do anything and her lying is not a surprise at all and i find it sad that her supporters dont want to understand that. To me it doesnt hurt her standing in my eyes since it is and has been at the lowest for a long time...to me it just seems like this is her character and anything outside this would be the real shocker.

But thank you for visualizing it for me.

[Bigleaf]

64. I was and am fucking pissed that the media let this fly and didn't call her out on MORE of her B.S.

[Bensthename]

67. She is their queen, they wouldnt out their queen, you silly billy.

[PBS Poll-435]

69. They let it "fly" because there isn't a story there.

16 million raised in 8 days.

Don't you think the 10 million fits in there somewhere?

[Bensthename]

71. well yah, 1 day does fit in 8 days, but....

Still shows how she is.. Its a reoccurring theme with her.

[ShortnFiery]

74. HRC's campaign ***LIED*** = it used to matter ... you know? Honesty? HRC LIES! eom

[PBS Poll-435]

84. Lied about what?

DEBUNKED

[ShortnFiery]

70. The media is 100% behind the ruling elites comprising both the GOP and DLC.

The rest of us are peasants, peons and what Tweety dismisses as "Pajama Hudeen."




I loathe the M$M. Other than Obermann (and who knows when he'll be fired like Phil Donahue was?), there's not A FORTH ESTATE. :thumbsdown:

[onenote]

80. maybe its because the media understands that you can't prove anything by the FEC reports

see post #79.

[Bensthename]

65. Chalk up another lie/deception in the Hilary column..

Not surprising.. She is waisting our time.

[PBS Poll-435]

66. ROFL

Wow.

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Imagevision]

72. And Hillary is still out 20 million+ of her own $$$

[onenote]

79. we've been through this before. you cannot take the FEC date of contribution report at face value

I have no idea whether HRC raised $10 in 24 hours or not. But relying on the FEC date of contribution report to prove they didn't is foolish. The date on which the money is reported as received on the report almost certainly doesn't reflect when it was pledged or, probably, even when it was actually received.

Take a look at Obama's report for April.

http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2008/M5/C00431445/A_DATE_C00431445.html

He lists almost $12.5 million on April 1. Now, if he had really raised that much on that one day, don't you think his campaign would have been touting that fact?

Take at look at Obama's report for March, or February: same thing: more than half of the contributions for March were reported as coming in on March 1. And an even larger percentage of the contributions for February are listed as received on February 29.

http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2008/M4/C00431445/A_DATE_C00431445.html
http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2008/M3/C00431445/A_DATE_C00431445.html

I don't know why the reporting is done this way, but its plainly obvious that receipts and pledges get bundled together and reported at the beginning or end of the month regardless of when they probably were actually made.

So, while I don't know whether (and don't necessarily believe) that HRC got $10 million in pledges in one day, I do know that whether that is or isn't so cannot be proven by the FEC reports.

[ladywnch]

81. this is old news. most of what she claimed as donation

was just another personal loan to her campaign. This was covered on both KO and Abrams shows several weeks ago. She is still 21 million in the hole and being sent to collections by several unfortunate vendors who chose to do business with her.

[PBS Poll-435]

95. Not true.

She raised 21+ million & had loaned her campaign 5 million.

For a total of 26 million. Just like on her FEC reports.

[ladywnch]

111. no, made 2 loans the first one was 5 million then she loaned herself

another several million (I forget now the exact number) cause I remember at the time looking at her debt verses her contributions and seeing that she had a net gain of about 2 million. she has made 2 loans to her campaign.

[PBS Poll-435]

117. I think one in March for 10, and then one in April for 5.

Not 100% sure.

But the loans are not included in the daily receipts list.

[ampad]

82. Of course she lied

Her lips were moving. Seriously, didn't she have to lie in order to get any donations and people want this woman to be VP let alone president?

[onenote]

83. see post #79

[Indenturedebtor]

88. WAIT A MINUTE - You're not telling the whole story

To stay consistent with their rehetoric the Clinton Campaign didn't report any funds from Caucus States! :eyes:

[mod mom]

90. Will anyone in the media call her on this? The public has a right to see her disregard for the truth

[Greyskye]

93. Lying on Day 1

That's going to fly well. :eyes:

[PBS Poll-435]

97. So is spreading lies about a "lie."

A "lie" that is not even close to being accurate.

Hillary raised 16 million from 4/23-4/30.

[anigbrowl]

102. They claimed $10 million in 24 hours. ..

...which they didn't get. Everyone remembers it. They are on record stating it. It was on their website.

[PBS Poll-435]

106. How do you know that they didn't?

Can you prove they didn't?

Nope.

[livetohike]

113. The FEC report is titled "Contributions by Date"

Perhaps you didn't see that at the top?? Obviously, on April 23 Clinton did not receive $10,000,000. If you look closely, date by date, you will see the contributions for each day :-).

So there is your proof that in the 24 hours after the Pennsylvania primary on April 22 - the campaign did not receive $10,000,000 as they stated.

[PBS Poll-435]

114. Please see post #79.

Thanks.


Oh and BTW, using the same report, you think that she raised 9+ million 4/30?

Now that doesn't make any sense....


:hurts:

[livetohike]

116. I see your point -

I was Treasurer of our Dem Club in CA and had to complete state and federal reports. Income was reported the day it was received, whether it was by check or cash......not by the day the deposit was made to the bank.

I see what you're saying in #79

[Greyskye]

149. More then a week does not equal "24 hours"

At least in my world.

[PBS Poll-435]

152. Mine either.

But there is not proof that she lied.

In fact the FEC reports give serious credibility to her statement.

Unless you believe that the took in 1.875 million each day from 4-23 to the end of April.

Believe what you want, I guess.

[ORDagnabbit]

110. A lie? Clinton must have opened her mouth again...cause thats all that comes out these days....

[Az_lefty]

112. the only surprise is that people continue to make excuses for her lies...

:grr:

[onenote]

115. what, sadly, doesn't surprise me, is that no one will respond to the point that the FEC data

can't be relied on to determine the amount pledged/contributed on any given day.

I (and others) have posted links to the monthly reports of both candidates showing that contributions apparently are reported in bulk at the end or beginning of the month in a way that almost certainly doesn't reflect when the pledge/contribution actually was made.

For example, Obama reported $42 million in a 48 hour period (Feb 29/March 1). If in fact he had received that much in that short a period, its a certainty that it would've been announced by the campaign and reported on. But it wasn't. And that's because it didn't happen that way. That $42 million may have been reported on 2/29 and 3/1, but it almost certainly was donated/pledged over a longer period of time.

[Raine]

118. Big surprise...NOT

more lies from Clinton, SOP.

[Hutzpa]

119. I knew she lied and I posted

this back then,

heres my thread....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=5661252

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121. And you were wrong then too.

Unless you think that something dramatic happened to her fundraising machine that she increased her daily fundraising totals after PA by 687%.

[Hutzpa]

125. I suppose FEC are telling lies now....

right, this blind loyalty that some of you feel you owe the Clintons
is either stupidity or money, I can't see anything to convince me
otherwise and especially coming from you, whereas your argument has
always been flamebait with no regards to showing morale when it
comes to defending Hillary.

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128. I don't believe that the FEC requires the daily reporting totals to be 100% accurate.

Just the monthly ones.

And 16 million in the 8 days after PA certainly makes 10 million in one day VERY plausible.

[Major Hogwash]

130. Damn you FEC!!!

*sits back in chair and shakes fist at ceiling*

ala John Stewart.

[onenote]

139. The FEC reports don't prove how much was pledged/contributed on a particular day

I'm an Obama supporter, but I don't believe -- and I don't believe anyone would believe -- that at any point during this campaign Obama's campaign received $42 million over a 48 hour period. If they had, you and I both know there would have been press releases proclaiming the fact that Obama had raised more than $1 million per hour for two days. But that's exactly what Obama's FEC reports say: $25.5 million on Feb 29 and $16.5 million on March 1. And his April 1 number is over $12 million. Yet for more than half of the days of each of these months, Obama reports raising less than $1 million per day. In fact, after reporting $16.5 million on April 1, Obama reported an average of around $800,000 per day for the rest of the month, before suddenly shooting back up to $12.5 million on the fist of April.

The point is that the FEC daily contribution reports do not accurately reflect the pledges/contributions that a campaign receives on a particular day. I have no idea whether HRC's campaign received $10 million in pledges on a single day as they claimed. I simply know that anyone who thinks that the FEC reports proves that they didn't is mistaken.

[Hutzpa]

146. I guess this is another scandal then

what... moneyraisedgate....:shrug:

FEC reporting tally is based on assumption, that is the reason why
we see those numbers as per day, the interesting thing here as you
point out is, not gloating over an assumption, which is what the
Clinton camp did.....hence the backlash.

[Milo_Bloom]

144. The FEC has been on Obama's side this entire time!!! Everyone knows that!

[Hutzpa]

147. They are sexist too and racist n/t

[Major Hogwash]

122. Proof that Hillary lied to her own supporters!!!!

How low in the gutter will she get?

[onenote]

123. you can't read can you: she may have lied. Or not. But the FEC records aren't proof of it.

see post 79

[Major Hogwash]

124. Yes, I can read. OMG, are you wagging your finger at me?

LoL

[onenote]

127. well, there was no evidence that you had, so it seemed right to ask.

Now that you've read,I'm open to a discussion as to whether the FEC records are "proof" of how much money was pledged to any candidate on any particular day.

Back to you.

[Milo_Bloom]

134. A Clinton caught lying??? I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!!!!

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138. Just how was she caught?

Oh yeah. She wasn't.

Unless you believe that they had in increase in fund-raising of 687% for the last 8 days of the month compared to the first 22.

:eyes:

[Milo_Bloom]

141. That guy/gal named IGNORED is working overtime in this thread.

They get so tweaked everytime a Clinton is caught lying or scamming the system.

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142. I hope you aren't talking about me!

That would be a shame.

:cry:

[Milo_Bloom]

143. What is more pathetic? A Clinton caught lying again? Or IGNORED...

... banging their little head against the wall trying to defend Clitnon lies?

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148. Neither.

Claiming someone is "ignored" when really, you just don't like what they have to say.

[Milo_Bloom]

150. Oh jeeze... this poor thing is tweaked beyond belief.

Try Decaf!

[Bensthename]

137. She has only lied this one time... Oh wait, never mind...

sorry my bad, there were those multiple other times too I just remembered.

[onenote]

140. maybe she lied about the one day total, maybe not. But the FEC reports prove nothing.

See post 79.

[Bensthename]

145. "don't you think his campaign would have been touting that fact?" Obama doesnt toot his own horn

like Hillary..

Does he go to every event telling people how he has won twice as many states, more delegates, super delegates, more money, etc.. No, but Hillary shouts about anything she may have consatantly....

So it doesnt surprise me that he didnt hold a press rally about it like Hillary does every time she gets something.

[onenote]

151. Baloney.

The Obama campaign, which I support, has quite loudly proclaimed when they hit record numbers for fundraising.

http://www.barackobama.com/2008/01/31/obamas_32_million_haul.php

Do you honestly believe Obama received $16.5 million on March 1, then averaged less than a million a day for the rest of the month, and then suddenly, coincidentally, shot up to $12.5 million contributions on April 1?

Cause if you believe that.....

[Bensthename]

156. Oh my gawd

you really think Obama touts that every day? Hillary touts polls every day that are wrong. Every day that she is winning the popular vote, wrong. And ALSO touted 10 million $$... WRONG...

[onenote]

157. I'm only addressing one point here: that the FEC reports don't prove/disprove HRC's claim.

THis entire thread started with, and is based on, the argument that the FEC numbers prove that HRC didn't raise $10 on one day. They don't. (And as I've said, I have my doubts that she got that much pledged in one day, but I can't prove it using the FEC numbers and neither can anyone else).

Do you believe that the FEC numbers reflect how much a campaign receives on a particular day? If so, do you have any rational explanation why, month after month, the Obama campaign reports vastly larger sums of money on the first (and/or last) day of the month than any day in between.

Do you really think that there was a sudden, spontaneous enormous outpouring of contributions to Obama's campaign, totalling $42 million in 48 hours on the 29th of Feb and March 1, followed by much lower levels of giving every other day until April 1, and then dropping back down again every day of April. Entirely spontaneous. No urging from the campaign or blogger to give on Feb 29 or to to give on March 1 or to give on April 1. Just a spontaneous, coincidental outpouring of vastly more money on those days than any other?

Cause, like I said, if you believe that....

[Bensthename]

158. Damn you

you have a point... :P I will let this issue go..

[sniffa]

153. I knew it was a lie at the time

As I'm sure many here did too.

[Bensthename]

154. She is caught again.. No surprise

[onenote]

155. Again, I don't know or necessarily believe she hit $10/day. But the FEC report doesn't prove a thing

see post 79 (among others).

[Unbowed]

159. Clinton lied? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you!

:sarcasm:

[walldude]

160. Math according to Calvin and Hobbes

[krkaufman]

161. My question is ... what's up w/ the $9.5 million day on April 30th?

Why the big spike on April 30th?

[onenote]

164. same reason that Obama reported $25.5 million in one day and $16.5 the next

Its that the FEC "contribution by date" records do not actually reflect the date on which a contribution is pledged or received. For reasons that are not entirely clear, both campaigns routinely report sums all out of proportion with the rest of the month on the first and/or last day of a month.

It is why citing the FEC report as "proof" that HRC did or did not raise a particular amount on a particular day is utterly worthless. The FEC reports can't be used to prove how much was pledged on a particular day. I'm not saying HRC did (or did not) get $10 million in one day, just that the FEC report cannot be relied upon as proof of that proposition

[Arugula Latte]

163. No one could have predicted the breach of the FEC reports.

Hillary lied ... In other news, the sun came up in the east today...

[onenote]

165. what breach are you referring to?

And how does the FEC report prove anything about whether HRC got $10 million in one day. As has been pointed out more than a half dozen time in this thread, neither campaign reports contributions on the day that they were received. That is why Obama's campaign, like HRC's, routinely reports enormous amounts of contributions on either the first or last day of the month. If you believe that Obama, without any specific fundraising effort for which anyone can find any evidence, managed to raise $25.5 million on feb 29 and another $16.5 million on March 1, but then raised an average of less than $1 million/day for the next 29 days, only to suddenly and spontaneously raise $12.5 million on April 1, and then return to an average haul of under a million a day for the rest of the month...well, if you believe that, let's discuss the bridge I have for sale.

[tblue37]

166. Well, surprise, surprise! (/Gomer) n/t

[anonymous171]

167. This shouldn't surprise anyone.

[FrenchieCat]

168. Did CNN break this breaking news yet?

Didn't think so.

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177. I wish they would.

This is something that internal documents could easily disprove.

[salguine]

169. The other 5.7 mil was picked off by sniper fire.

[Coexist]

178. !

[FrenchieCat]

180. But is it news yet?