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George_Bonanza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:34 AM
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Does Hillary actually want 100% of the MI delegates?
I'm not too keen on following this whole Florida/Michigan mess, but is it true that the Hillary camp will not budge on their demand of 100% of the Michigan delegates?

This would be such an unbelievable combination of anti-democracy and cheating that it should be the subject of a Monty Python film. Because Obama wasn't on the ballot in Michigan! Sure, the absurd Hillary talking point is that it's somehow Obama's fault for doing something that Hillary herself claims she would've done as well had not there been "paperwork problems", but that's a meaningless argument when you consider the fact that Hillary herself said that Michigan would not and should not count! If, according to her own words, the Michigan contest should not have counted, who cares if Obama took his name off the ballot (just like everyone else except for Hillary and Chris Dodd)?

Of course, there's also Lanny Davis' despicable "compromise" of not only giving Hillary her 50%+ share of the mono-candidate race, but also more than half of the "Uncommitted" votes, because well, that's the only way she can fulfill the prophecy as the Chosen One and restore the balance in the universe?

Even though in Florida, Republican turnout was higher than the Democratic one thus proving the fact that a huge number of Democrats did not vote (and were thus "disenfranchised"), maybe the Obama can just acquiesce to Hillary since Florida doesn't change anything meaningful anyway. But to concede Michigan would be such a con perpetrated by an egregiously sore loser that it would be an affront to the entire electoral process.

DOES SHE REALLY WANT 100% OF THE DELEGATES??? WHO DOES SHE THINK SHE IS, SADDAM HUSSEIN?
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Oceansaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:35 AM
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1. she feels entitled to anything
she wants or may need, regardless....what shameful people !!
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:36 AM
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2. IRRC
She wants all of those elected for her, and for Obama to get none.

She doesn't want 100% of the total.
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NotThisTime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:47 AM
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7. Not quite true, she wants her total, plus she wants half uncommitted
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qazplm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:01 AM
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16. she just wants
100% of the eventual total to count for her.

same thing.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:36 AM
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3. They ought to start the R&BC meeting by asking the Hillary campaign
what would be a 'fair' solution. That's when we'll all know that they aren't interested in fairness whatsoever. Keep in mind that Hillary's popular vote metric right now gives Obama ZERO votes in Michigan. Oh how lovely it must be to live in Hillaryland. Ignorance is bliss! :rofl:
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flor de jasmim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:43 AM
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4. They could all turn around and vote for Obama, right?
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Gothmog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:43 AM
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5. Only 101 out 128 Michigan Delegates
Lanny Davis of the Clinton campaign has argued that Clinton is entitled to 101 of the 128 delegates and that Senator Obama can have 28 delegates.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:55 AM
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13. The DSM-IV has just amended it's publication:
Edited on Thu May-29-08 10:56 AM by ShortnFiery
"The Lanny Davis Syndrome" to replace the former "Political Bat Shit Insanity Syndrome" in order to make such disorders easier to identify.


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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:44 AM
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6. All This is Really Putting Her in a Bad Light
It reminds me of the Bush legal strategy in the Florida recount: seize on any argument that would provide a political advantage. It's also drawing an increasingly clear line between the two candidates. I am no longer indifferent as to which one is nominated.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:48 AM
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8. HRC and her surrogates have "gone medieval - INSANE" but if it works, that's OK by them.
:puke:
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BklynChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:49 AM
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9. I completely agree on this point; it's completely absurd for her to expect to get 100%
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:50 AM
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10. Not At All, That's An Ugly, Ugly Lie
She wants 600% of the delegates, thus surpassing Obama's delegate count and handing her the victory that she deserves.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:50 AM
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11. I'm guessing if Obama broke his promise and ran in Michigan she'd be chirping a different tune
If Obama ran he would probably have received 30-60% of those delegates which would make Michigan a worthless state to Hillary.

Think about it!
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SurfingAtWork Donating Member (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:53 AM
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12. If we seat MI she will end up with close to 100% any ways.
They went to great lengths to ensure that the overwhelming majority of "Uncommitted" delegates that were selected at the state convention were die-hard Clinton supporters. So it really doesn't matter what agreement they come to as to how to split them.. when the vote comes around most will vote for Clinton on the first Ballot. This unfortunately was one of the few instances where Obama was horribly out-maneuvered.

:grr: :grr: :grr:
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:58 AM
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14. This is bullshit! The ruling elites (hey Howard Dean) best realize that if HRC cheats her way
into having the SD over rule the Pledged Delegates, MILLIONS of people will drop out of the Democratic Party.
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SurfingAtWork Donating Member (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:12 AM
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18. I couldn't agree more. I think why this is one of the reasons they
are so adamant about getting 100%, rather than 50%. It is disgusting that they are willing to use tactics such as this, while claiming to do so in the name of democracy and for the people.

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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:00 AM
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15. Yes, she wants to be president. Right and wrong isn't even a consideration, in her world
it's why the Dems shouldn't even elect her to dog catcher.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:11 AM
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17. She's got the Mars lander scouring the rest of the universe
for stray Hillary voters.
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:26 AM
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19. oh goody!
we can go from special olypiics preznitt to affirmative action preznit.
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hogwyld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 12:07 PM
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20. Josef Stalin
and the other soviet leaders also ran similar elections...
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