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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 01:20 PM
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The truth about what Hillary is doing.
Edited on Thu May-29-08 02:18 PM by Labors of Hercules
Hillay is making a case, even if it is a weak one, that her candidacy is strong enough to have ALL voters enfranchized in Michigan and Florida.

The question is, WHY?

Obama supporters, I have to say, I think a lot of us may have it wrong:

Obviously I am not a Hillary supporter, but I think there's a remote possibility she may be doing what MUST be done to put the entire Democratic electorate behind Obama when he receives the nomination. Obama will be stronger if he doesn't have to contend with any doubts about Mi and Fl that the primaries there left unsettled...

All signs to the contrary, it makes more sense politically for Hillary to work to ensure that WHEN OBAMA WINS, it will be a hands down victory, no questions asked.

We will know for certain next week, but I dearly hope she proves her detractors wrong, because if she proves them right it will burn her with the ferocity of seven thousand suns.
(Personally, I still think she's gone over the deep end though)...
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 01:23 PM
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1. and then theres that quote under your sigline
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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 02:14 PM
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8. Yeah... I'm still pissed about that one...
but taken in light of the backlash it produced, it actually bolsters my theory. :shrug:
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 04:40 PM
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16. she's not taking one for the team
But if that's the end result, then great, it doesn't matter what the intentions are.

I must admit I hadn't seen it from your angle before.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 02:59 PM
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13. Why?
Her supporters didn't mind when she said it, so why so upset now?

She said, she owns it.


(Mrs. Phx_Dem)
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 01:23 PM
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2. We should let Florida and Michigan go first in 2012
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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 02:22 PM
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9. I think we should let them go last.
I think it makes more sense to do it somewhat in order of population from smaller to larger. (maybe 4 starters and then 5 at a time every week except super tuesday)... :shrug:
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 01:24 PM
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3. She is also making a case for making sure the rules are followed
Had MI and FL followed the rules in the first place, none of this would have happened. You can't change the rules mid game, but you can make a big enough stink so they will be changed after the fact.
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 01:24 PM
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4. I hope you've got your asbestos underwear on..........
You'll usually get piled-on if you don't spew the standard "I hate Hillary" meme in this forum.
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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 02:23 PM
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10. had to make a few adjustments to qualify my thoughts.
hope it doesn't bother anybody. :shrug:
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 01:25 PM
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5. Best get her some
Sun screen, because she is going to get burnt! :think:
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Chiyo-chichi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 01:31 PM
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6. Oh, yeah. She's done soooo much to help put the entire Democratic electorate behind Obama.
:rofl:
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shomino Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 01:33 PM
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7. And if she supported Obama, it wouldn't be an issue at all.
Then all of those votes cast for her would be for Obama by proxy. What would the issue with "enfranchisement" then?
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 02:31 PM
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11. Your rationale doesn't make sense because if she really had Obama's
interest at heart, she wouldn't be attempting to undercut him at the same time. She wouldn't be trying to create chaos by inciting her supporters to demonstrate and riot. She is deliberately trying to divide the party, not unite it through some clandestine effort, behind Obama. I would argue that she is doing the exact opposite. If she wanted to get her supporters behind Obama, she would allow the remaining primaries to take place, then concede that she doesn't have enough delegates or money to prolong her campaign, suspend her campaign, then urge her supporters to unite behind Obama. Even if he did agree to her demands, based on her recent behavior, I am convinced that she'll still go around saying that she won the popular vote and disingenuous statements of the sort.

I don't think there is a noble bone in her body when it comes to this election. I wish I were wrong about that.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 02:52 PM
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12. Big disagreement. She's *blaming* the Obama camp for being part of the disenfranchisement
Then she amps up the anger at the Obama campaign by comparing MI and FL to epic civil rights struggles against oppressive regimes.

:wtf:

That's an ass-backwards way to unify the party behind the eventual nominee if ever I've seen it.
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gcomeau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 03:04 PM
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14. Ummm, no.
Edited on Thu May-29-08 03:04 PM by gcomeau
but I think there's a remote possibility she may be doing what MUST be done to put the entire Democratic electorate behind Obama when he receives the nomination.


You do not get the Michigan and Florida voters behind Obama by repeatedly lying to them and telling them the Obama campaign is the one responsible for blocking them from being seated, which is what she has been doing for months. There is absolutely NO way to interpret that in any way but an attempt to kneecap Obama in the GE by trying to get those voters pissed at him.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 03:14 PM
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15. If your arguement was anywhere near the truth she would not be running this type of campaign. Your
180 degrees wrong, in my view.
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