"And based on EVERY analysis of EVERY bit of reasearch, and EVERY poll that's been taken...

[jenmito]

I am the stronger candidate against John McCain!" Really?:

Real Clear Politics GE Matchup:

McCain-44.9%
Clinton-45.9%
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Clinton +1.0%


McCain-44.1%
Obama-46.6%
---------------
Obama +2.5%

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/

[XemaSab]

1. She's a liar... we know this

It should not be a surprise. :shrug:

[jenmito]

4. They showed it on MSNBC. I'm glad they're FINALLY calling her out on her false claims!

:D

[Cha]

10. No surprise..she's just shooting down

another one with the facts. Thanks jenmito.

[jenmito]

12. No problemo, zidzi!

Just doin' my job! :hi:

[Cha]

16. Right, and we can't have enough people

doin' their jobs at a crossroads like this! :hi:

[jenmito]

22. Thanks for doin' YOUR part, too!

:hi:

[BlooInBloo]

2. YAL

Yet Another Lie.

[jenmito]

6. Thanks for the "shorthand."

Can I use that?

[BlooInBloo]

8. Please do! I try them out every so often, but have yet to have one catch on....

Maybe this time I'll be FAMOUS!!! :rofl:

[jenmito]

11. OK! I'll do my best to help get this one goin'!

And I'm sure I'll have many opportunities to use it. :hi:

[BlooInBloo]

14. Hell - if it catches on, I suppose I'll have to *thank* Clinton for staying in the race!

How's that fer yer ironies!

[jenmito]

23. It may be ironic but it'll work out for YOU better than it will for HER!

:D

[Lone_Star_Dem]

15. Hmm. Let's see here...we could change that to YALL by adding lousy

Yet Another Lousy Lie. It has a broader appeal then. We can also use it against bush's lies, and it has extra value due to his faux southern accent.

Fun with acronyms 101. :bounce:

[BlooInBloo]

17. (watches his fame and fortune flying away) sniff!

[Lone_Star_Dem]

19. All credit goes to you, of course.

I've a phobia when it comes to fame and fortune. I've seen what it does to people. :scared:

[BlooInBloo]

21. (shrug) I've seen what poverty does too. I'll take my chances with the fame & fortune - WOOT!!!

:P

[rocktivity]

3. If you're the stronger candidate, why haven't your numbers been stronger than Obamas?

:shrug:
rocknation

[jenmito]

7. Maybe she's talking about her vs. someone other than Obama?

:shrug:

[ErinBerin84]

5. haha

monica novotny just showed that on MSNBC, she was like "well, we weren't sure which specific polls she is looking at, so we went to Real Clear politics for a consensus of the polls..."

[jenmito]

9. Yup. That's where I saw it.

:hi:

[Aloha Spirit]

13. check this out: comparison of negative press releases by the RNC against Clinton and Obama.....

The dark red is the number of negative press releases against, on the left, Obama, and on the right, Clinton.
The RNC stopped attacking Hillary in March.
Is there anything that more elegantly sums up where this race is right now?
I don't think so.

[jenmito]

25. Wow! That says it all.

Thanks! :hi:

[hokies4ever]

18. MSNBC just raked Hillary over the coals about this

She had it coming though. Did she really think that EVERY poll agreed with her? Does she think that we don't know how to use 'The Google'? :rofl:

[jenmito]

27. I saw that. Maybe she only looks at RNC polls?

:shrug: :D

[AZBlue]

20. How do you know Hillary Clinton is lying?

Her mouth is moving.

(I know...it's old and it's corny...but it's also true)

[Douglas Carpenter]

24. LATEST AVERAGE Clinton 45.7/McCain 44..0=Clinton+ .07///Obama 46.7/McCain 44.1=Obama +2.6

Latest Average of National Polls:

Obama 46.7/McCain 44.1 = Obama + 2.6

Clinton 45.7/McCain 45.0 = Clinton + .07

The general election polls averages the latest polls from Gallup Tracking, Rasmussen Tracking, Quinnipiac,ABC News/Wash Post, Democracy Corp, LA Times/Bloomberg, IDBB/TIPP, Battleground

link:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_clinton-224.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

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Average Polls in Nomination Race:

Obama 51.0/Clinton 40.5 = Obama +10.5

The nomination polls are the averages of Rasmussen Tracking, Gallup Tracking, Newsweek, Reuters/Zogby, Quinnipiac and Washington Post/ABC.

link:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/democratic_presidential_nomination-191.html

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"Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up."

link:


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

"The Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator shows Democrats leading in states with 200 Electoral Votes while the GOP has the advantage in states with 189. When “leaners” are included, the Democrats enjoy a 260-240 Electoral College lead (see summary of recent state-by-state results). Rasmussen Markets data gives Democrats a 63.4% chance of winning the White House in November (results are updated on a 24/7 basis by market participants)."

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And here are the predictions from the financial markets:

Intrade Prediction Markets: http://www.intrade.com / (The Rasmussen Market figures are pretty much in the same ball park: http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/contractSearch/ )





Intrade Prediction Market gives a 61.5% to 63.4% chance that the Democrats will win the White House in November

Intrade Prediction Market gives a 57.5% to 57.6%chance that Barak Obama will be elected President in November

Intrade Prediction Market gives a 5.8% to 5.9% chance that Hillary Clinton will be elected President in November

Intrade Prediction Market gives a 37.6% to 37.7% chance that John McCain will be elected President in November

Intrade Prediction Market gives a 37.0% to 38.7% chance the Republicans will win the White House in November

Intrade Prediction Markets gives Hillary Clinton 83% to 83.9% chance of dropping out of 2008 Presidential race on/before 30 Jun 2008 (This is up 14.8%)

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"Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up":

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

[jenmito]

28. Wow-great research!

Thanks for all that info. Especially the chances of Hillary dropping out! :hi:

[RiverStone]

26. Don't forget Gallup!

http://www.gallup.com/poll/107572/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Back-DoubleDigits.aspx :hi:

[jenmito]

29. Thanks! There was a thread about that one, too.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6170917&mesg_id=6170917

[Douglas Carpenter]

32. thanks more good news

http://www.gallup.com/poll/107572/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Back-DoubleDigits.aspx

[BigDDem]

30. Great!

He just has to win the popular vote, right??
:rofl:

Some of you "folk" are so naive, it's sad.

[jenmito]

31. What "folk" are you calling "so naive"? Those of us living in reality?

:rofl:

[Mike L]

34. You don't know the significance of National vs. State polls, em

[jenmito]

37. Yes I do. "Every analysis of EVERY bit of research" includes national polls.

[Mike L]

40. National polls are irrelevant to the GE. em

[jenmito]

42. So is the popular vote that Hillary claims to be winning.

[Mike L]

45. Not if the SD's decide HRC should be the nominee. They have 'de facto' veto power. em

[jenmito]

47. Keep hope alive! The SDs will NOT decide she should be the nominee. Don't you SEE that yet?!

:rofl:

[Mike L]

49. They will if they don't want us to lose the GE. em

[jenmito]

51. They won't and I look forward to having you on the Obama team next week.

:hi:

[BigDDem]

38. Is he elected president if he wins the popular vote

in your version of reality?

:rofl:

[jenmito]

41. No. Just like Hillary's not the nominee if she wins the popular vote but loses the delegate count!

:rofl:

[Mike L]

33. Those are NATIONAL polls--- totally worthless. Polls based on state electoral delegates predict the

GE outcome.

[jenmito]

35. So YOU get to decide what counts? Hillary now claim she's winning the delegate count in PRIMARY

states! (She just leaves out the delegates awarded in all caucus states)! This is getting pathetic! Good thing the SDs aren't buyin' it!

[Mike L]

36. Umm...no. The constitution spells out the electoral college. em

[jenmito]

39. So? What does it say about primaries? Does it say that only primary states count or that you can

change the rules near the end of the game?

[Mike L]

43. It depends on whether they're a swing state. Swing states determine the GE.

Read this article:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/107539/Hillary-Clintons-SwingState-Advantage.aspx

[jenmito]

46. Stop trying to change the rules. Obama will have won the required number of delegates to win the

nomination in less than a week. Obama will win in states that Hillary can't beat McCain in. McCain vs. Hillary or McCain vs. Obama polls are irrelevant since they haven't started campaigning yet. Once Obama starts really engaging McCain, he'll beat McCain in a landslide. And I'm sure we can count on your vote for Obama in the GE.

[Mike L]

48. He won't have the required number of pledged delegates. em

Obama 1659; Clinton 1499

It takes 2026 to win (if Fl and MI are not counted)

SD's can change their minds until they vote at the convention.

[jenmito]

50. The SDs will flock to him after Tuesday and will put an end to this. The sooner you and Hillary

face this, the better. I look forward to your support of Obama. :hi:

[Douglas Carpenter]

52. The Markets are now predicting an 83% to 83.9% chance that Hillary quits in June

Intrade Prediction Markets:

Hillary Clinton to drop out of 2008 Presidential race on/before 30 Jun 2008: 83% to 83.9%

up 14.7%

Hillary Clinton to drop out of 2008 Presidential race on/before 31 Jul 2008: 91.0% to 95.5%

http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/contractSearch/

Rasmussen Markets:

Dropouts from 2008 Presidential Race. Jun 2008:

Sen: Clinton to drop out of race on or before 30 June 2008:

83.% to 83.9%

Sen. Clinton to drop out of race on or before 31 July 2008"

91% to 94.4%

http://markets.rasmussenreports.com/aav2/trading/tradingHTML.jsp?selConID=261448

[jenmito]

53. I agree with them.

Thanks for the info.! :hi:

[Douglas Carpenter]

44. when even FOX New are more glued to reality than some posters on this forum - that is scary

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When the Republican oriented Rasmussen Reports is more glued to reality than some posters on this forum that is also scary:

"The Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator shows Democrats leading in states with 200 Electoral Votes while the GOP has the advantage in states with 189. When “leaners” are included, the Democrats enjoy a 260-240 Electoral College lead (see summary of recent state-by-state results). Rasmussen Markets data gives Democrats a 63.4% chance of winning the White House in November (results are updated on a 24/7 basis by market participants)".

"Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up."

link:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll