Obama "deeply disappointed" in Father Michael Pfleger. Pfleger apologizes.

[jefferson_dem]

Obama "deeply disappointed" in Father Michael Pfleger. UPDATE Pfleger apology.

WASHINGTON--Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) said in a statement he was "deeply disappointed" in Father Michael Pfleger, after the priest --in a scene caught on videotape-- mocked Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y) from the pulpit of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago--the home church of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. UPDATE Click below for Pfleger apology

“As I have traveled this country, I've been impressed not by what divides us, but by all that that unites us. That is why I am deeply disappointed in Father Pfleger's divisive, backward-looking rhetoric, which doesn't reflect the country I see or the desire of people across America to come together in common cause," Obama said in a statement.

Response of Rev. Michael L. Pfleger of statements made during a sermon on Sunday, May 25, 2008

"I regret the words I chose on Sunday. These words are inconsistent with Senator Obama's life and message, and I am deeply sorry if they offended Senator Clinton or anyone else who saw them."

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/05/obama_deeply_disappointed_in_f_1.html

VIDEO of Pfleger's sermon here --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H11x6bMu4Y

[stray cat]

1. My sister votes republican - I vote democratic - and we even lived together and don't vote alike!

[searchingforlight]

2. My sister votes Republican and I vote Democrat. We live together too. Don't talk politics though.

[LisaM]

3. He looked pretty happy while he was delivering the sermon

if you can call it that.

[joeybee12]

4. Happy and a very creepy voice...

...what a twit.

[LisaM]

Actually, the whole thing is disturbing

He's apparently known the guy for 20 years.

In fact, I CANNOT believe that this even happened. What angered me most were the people who jumped up and cheered when he mocked Hillary.

[joeybee12]

8. Yes, deeply disturbing...and couple with this with Wright...

...can we really expect to buy the line that words were taken out of context.

Sorry, but I would walk out of a church like this...I would go for the spiritual benefits, not for some political dogma, which I can hear anyplace else.

[JoFerret]

74. The new minister is said to be a joy too.

Although I don't know that for sure.
Certainly all very creepy.

[trueblue2007]

78. Father Michael Pfleger is a racist pig

"Father" Michael Pfleger is total trash. You sure won't find a "minister" like that at my church.

Obama has to come out NOW and say these ministers stink to high heaven --- or something like that. I'm so angry now I can't even type.

[roguevalley]

91. separation of what you do in church and state must become clear

again. fuck this stuff.

[Straight Shooter]

9. He was grabbing the low-hanging fruit on the Obama media tree.

Grandstanding for all its worth.

By the way, did he even mention anything about Native Americans and what was done to them so we could all have what we've got? If he did say anything, I must have missed it.

[FARAFIELD]

83. HE WAS GREAT

MAKES ME proud that IM a catholic, as a wise person once said "the motherfucker was funny, best analysis of Hillarys campaign so far.

[Straight Shooter]

85. Both you and he make me glad I left the church long ago. Pax vobiscum. n/t

[goldcanyonaz]

11. Check out his other rants on you tube, this guy is a NUT!!

[newmajority]

15. Takes ......

Nah... too easy. Nevermind.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

102. Trinity Church will be the gift that keeps on giving to the Republicans. But .....

it's not likewe weren't warned!

[shaniqua6392]

117. I can just see the McCain commercials in the fall!!!

You are right. It will be the gift that keeps on giving. Why the hell will he not quit this church? They are racist against whites. I see that not many want to discuss this on DU though. There are not many threads about it. I guess it is easier to bury our heads in the sand. Plus the video of this pastor criticizing Clinton brings great joy to most here at DU. But I am looking at how this will be received in the mainstream public and I think it is going to be a big problem for Obama.

[L0oniX]

5. Father of shit.

[goldcanyonaz]

6. Is he purposely trying to hurt Obama? Seriously, why would Trinity have him speak??

He is a nut in my opinion

[joeybee12]

12. He was introduced as a "friend" of Trinity, and has been there

many times before...face it, Wright's word weren't taken out of context...it's what this church is all about.

[goldcanyonaz]

18. Have you seen his other remarks on you tube? This man is certifiable

Mind boggling,

[joeybee12]

37. No, but I think I'll go do a search...

...was he trying to sound like Dirty Harry at the beginning, then morphing into Robert DeNiro in Taxi Driver

[Phx_Dem]

7. I don't know what Father Pfleger

said because I don't care to watch the video and find out. But, Obama's defense of Clinton is what Democrat's do (or should). Democratic candidates can fight tough, hard battles against each other while never crossing the into Rove-Republican territory. When someone else insults a Democrat, we defend them. Because we're family. Or at least we were, until Hillary decided to tear our family apart for her own personal ambition.

Good for you, Barack Obama. Hillary, take note.

(Mrs.)

[joeybee12]

10. Um, maybe you might want to watch and learn...instead of just

knee-jerk reactionary crap like this...Hilary's to blame, Obama's a saint, and nothing in reality will change your perverted view.

[Honeycombe8]

16. Did you complain when Hillary HERSELF imitated an Obama speech?

As you can see....Obama didn't mock Clinton. A supporter of his did. Obama objected to it and got an apology for it.

But Clinton....it wasn't a supporter of hers. It was she, herself, who mocked Obama, while her audience laughed and clapped. She of course didn't object to it. And we know by now that she never apologizes to Obama (or the country, for that matter).

See the difference? A class act vs. a clown act.

[joeybee12]

24. Yeah right, another guy who shows up at Trinity a lot and Obama

claims that's not what he heard when he was there...yes it was, shows Obama to be the liar that he is.

[Richbru]

89. The priest is a loser

and so is Obama!! It would be a tough task for a black man to be elected president. He needs to be perfect. Obama is being exposed as a typical politician with seedy friends and associates. He makes up stories about his past and is too naive to think someone might check to see if they are true. He says one thing one day and changes it the next. No way this black man is elected POTUS. Take it to the bank.

[phrigndumass]

98. "makes up stories about his past" ... like Bosnia? Sniper-fire?

:rofl:

[Phx_Dem]

20. I just watched it.

My reponse doesn't change. I didn't blame Hillary for what Father Pfleger said. Can you read?

I blame Hillary for not defending a fellow Democrat against inappropriate critcism like Ayers -- when her husband pardoned members of the Weather Underground. Instead she fanned the flames. I applaud Obama for defending Hillary against this type of slur, which I find incidious. Maybe YOU should read what I wrote instead you knee-jerk reaction.

I didn't want to watch this video becuase I knew by the posts and by Obama's reaction that it was uncalled for and inappropriate. The only thing I blame Hillary for is not have the same decency in defending Obama as he had in defending her.

Ditto for the poster below you.

[joeybee12]

26. Yeah, well, the point is Obama has been shown, once more, to be a liar...

...and his so-called apology reeks. He's seen this guy before, knows what he's about, and he expects us to believe he never heard crap like this before, just like he never heard what Wright said. That's what this shows...a liar and a fraud. Knee-jerk that, sweetie.

[LisaM]

30. I know. I don't get it.

He's associated with this man for 20 years. 20 YEARS.

[Phx_Dem]

38. If I was a Hillary supporter

I wouldn't be calling anyone else a liar. Bill? Hillary? Pot meet kettle.

[joeybee12]

43. If I was an Obama supporter, I would hope I wouldn't try and change

the subject and face the flaws, as well as the strengths of my character instead of trying to defend the indefensible.

[Phx_Dem]

Okay.

Maybe you're right. Maybe Obama shouldn't have defended Hillary.

[jefferson_dem]

52. No good deed...

With some of these "dead enders"...there's really no use in trying.

[Phx_Dem]

65. No shit.

Thanks.

:toast:

[jefferson_dem]

68. No worries.

They'll have to shut the fuck up or be banished from DU after...Tuesday I hope.

[jefferson_dem]

46. Bitter hater much?

Obama is not responsible for what Pfleger says yet shows the decency we have come to expect from him.

[Mike L]

50. AMEN!

[Straight Shooter]

13. You need to watch the video because your response is off the mark. Sorry. n/t

[Phx_Dem]

25. Let me know when you

learn to read.

[joeybee12]

27. Let us know when you learn how to write n/t

[Phx_Dem]

Wow.

What wit. You're killing me.

[Straight Shooter]

29. Let me know

when you grow a thicker skin.

[goldcanyonaz]

14. *cough* *cough*

[Phx_Dem]

32. Bite me.

Read my posts and you will see that I APPLAUDED Obama for defending Hillary. I only wish she could be as magnanimous. Unfortunately, she seems to be more like you.

[LisaM]

19. You really need to watch the video or find a transcript

If you think Obama can be a member of this church and yet be a credible defender of Hillary Clinton, I would be interested in hearing how you can rectify the two things. I don't think Wright's sermons were taken out of context either. I think they were representative.

This priest is a kook, and the congregation should not have played along with him.

[Phx_Dem]

55. Self-delete

Last time I try to defend Hillary.

[Tatiana]

17. I think Pastorbation has run its course. Good on Obama for being disappointed.

Good on Father Pfleger for apologizing.

Moving on...

[LisaM]

21. Do you really believe he was disappointed?

I don't.

[joeybee12]

31. Neither do I...this guy was apparently a guest at Trinity a lot of times...

...Obama knew what he was saying, just as he knew what Wright was saying...just another case of Bots trying to spin deceit into something noble.

[LisaM]

36. Tell me about it. You'd think by now

they wouldn't fall for the tactic of letting surrogates do the dirty work and pretending to be above the fray. I can't stand when the people I know do things like this, and I don't like when he does it either.

[joeybee12]

41. Yeah, and you better believe when the GE finally starts the Repukes

won't let him get away with it...as much as the media loves Obama, he's their new crush, while McLame is their lifetime partner...who you gonna support when the going gets tough?

[GarbagemanLB]

34. How the fuck do you know?

[chascarrillo]

39. Psychic Friends Newtork

[LisaM]

40. I don't KNOW. I said I "think"

I don't THINK he was disappointed. Just speaking for myself.

[joeybee12]

45. How the fuck do you know?

Oh yeah, only Bots can read someone's intentions.

[GarbagemanLB]

51. Am I claiming to know someone's thoughts?

Read more carefully next time, Hillbot.

[joeybee12]

73. Well, since every Bot here seems to know Hilary's intentions I

just assumed you knew them as well...I guess you MIA over passport-gate, War-Room-gate, RFK-gate, et al.

[Danger Mouse]

94. speak for yourself.

[BlueStateGirl]

64. I guess the same way some Obama supporters just "knew"

Hillary was "hoping" for Barak's assassination when she made her recent comments, or the reason why she cried in New Hampshire, or basically her motives for anything.

[PM7nj]

59. Who cares what you think.

[Arkana]

61. Yeah, I do.

But I'm prepared to take him at his word, because I haven't been drinking the Clinton-Aid.

[JVS]

22. Note to self: next time in Chicago on a Sunday morning, go to the South Side and go to church

I've got to see if my denomination is in on this.

[Teaser]

23. THIS THREAD OFFICIALLY OVER.

thanks everyone, but this one's over. There are many other threads, though, available.

[LisaM]

28. Why, don't you want people to watch the video?

K&R. I want people to see the kind of shit that's spouted off against Hillary on a daily basis.

[Phx_Dem]

90. Oh please

:cry:

Edited: For the record, I'm a woman and your "victim" attitude is a bit much. All Presidential candidates take hard hits, and as Hillary says, "if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen." But then she proceeds to cry and whine when heat comes her way. It's embarrassing.

[McCamy Taylor]

33. I've never been a Christian but this looks like a fun Church. Like Comedy Defensive Driving School

If you absolutely have to bruise your butt going to Church every week because you are a politician, this would be a much better option than one of the others I have been dragged to by friends.

I think Obama made a sensible choice.

But again, I am not Christian, my family is all atheist, and I do not see the attraction in the religion except when it is used for Liberation Theology as an anti-opiate for the masses.

[oviedodem]

35. Obviously Pfleger is white so this is not so much of a problem. sarcasm

[ecstatic]

42. When will HILLARY apologize for FERRARO?

I'm so sick and tired of this sh1t. Barack has to apologize for what everyone else says, nevermind the fact that what he himself says has been consistently positive and unifying. When the f*ck will Hillary apologize for all her shitty surrogates and for the comments she made last week?

[joeybee12]

47. Essentially, Geraldine said, "right place, right time." It was actually an affirmation

that there is racism in politics because if there had been a serious black candidate before, Obama would not have initially generated such interest. But hey, if you wanna see racism everywhere, be my guest.

[LisaM]

49. Except that she did.

And don't tell me that she didn't use the word "apologize" or "I'm sorry", because neither did Obama.



~Of Ferraro's comment, Hillary Clinton told her audience: "I certainly do repudiate it and I regret deeply that it was said. Obviously she doesn't speak for the campaign, she doesn't speak for any of my positions, and she has resigned from being a member of my very large finance committee."~

[my2sense]

56. It seems only

Barack is responsible for everyone he knows and associates with....I wonder why that is?

[ecstatic]

44. By the way, LOL at the youtube video description of Pfleger being "self loathing"

No, he's just a typical opportunist: He said what he thought people wanted to hear at Obama's expense. Nevermind what impression might be left with the general populace once the footage hit the MSM. Now pass the collection plate! :eyes:

[MrCTLib]

48. ....

Time to watch Hannity & Colmes on Pfleger. :bounce: :headbang: :applause:

[Pirate Smile]

53. I know how you guys love Hannity. You are obviously very exited about it.

Wow.

[jefferson_dem]

57. Funny, huh?

You forgot the sarcasm smiley.

Only Hannity-types get off of such Pastobating.

[Doityourself]

71. You can't be a Democrat...I think you're on the wrong website.

[Pirate Smile]

101. I see you decided to get rid of your Hillary avatar. Nice try.

[Arkana]

54. Oh boy, Pastorgate II.

More guilt by association from the Clinton camp. This guy is crazy, so Obama must be crazy.

I swear, if unsavory personal associations were the only determinations of character, none of the candidates would even be viable.

[Liberal Veteran]

58. Pastorgate II: Cruise Control

[AZ Criminal JD]

60. Yet another FOO

Friend of Obama

[MrCTLib]

62. ...

Obama is just getting cut up little by little. There is still time to switch to Hillary. 100% she'll be POTUS.

[Doityourself]

72. Delusional...it's not gonna happen. It'll all be over by next weekend..Obama will be the nominee..

[Arkana]

76. Hahaha you crack me up. Enjoy your stay.

[Arkana]

70. I really don't think you want to get into a list of Hillary's special friends.

[AZ Criminal JD]

110. I don't like some of Hillary's friends

But at least they are not nuts.

[Arkana]

119. Doug Coe, anyone?

[bigbrother05]

63. that was the funniest thing I've seen today

[Doityourself]

82. I actually cracked up! Was he a comedian or a pastor..ha ha..it was entertaining..

[Elidor]

66. I so deeply do not give a shit about Father Pfleger

I don't care if the Sunday School teacher for Obama's kids has a tattoo of satan on her left butt-cheek.

Among the things that actually concern me:
$4 gas
Rising inflation
The Occupation of Iraq
Corruption at the highest levels of government
My own troubled finances and the fact that I can't afford health care

Pfather Pfleger can take a Pflying Pfucking leap for all I care.

[democrattotheend]

67. I don't get it. Why is this priest Obama's responsibility?

[Tatiana]

77. He's not. But this is pretty much all the opposition has left. n/t

[AZ Criminal JD]

111. He is an Obama ally in Chicago

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[BklynChick]

79. oh jesus christ, who the fuck cares?

[Skip Intro]

80. Aw, he's "disappointed" in racist hatemongering. Poor guy, I hope he's able to sleep tonight.

This is the same way he distanced himself from Wright. He was disturbed by the "controversial" remarks. Wow. He's against stuff I don't like, and for stuff I do like.

Could he have taken a strong stand and called the remarks by name, and rejected them for what they were? Sure. But he didn't. In either case.

I think a reply at the wapo article on this says a lot:

"I am confused because I don't understand how someone who sets up a presidential platform based upon hope and positive change can belong to a place of worship with very negative and angry leadership...He may not be responsible for someone elses words but why would he want his children to hear such negativity and anger?"

[genna]

92. Enter the fear and smear of the angry black man

But why is the angry black man, white?


There is a whole host of interconnected churches in Chicago that are for social change. Trinity is by no means the most radical among the churches pushing for a difference.


Why do these religious figures scare the 'I've had enough of these Husseins' people so much? What radical thing do they think these preachers want exactly?


Why does Obama have to account for a minister that is not even the pastor of his church? How many pastors belong to churches across Chicago that BHO "needs" to reject, denounce, apologize, and hang out to dry?


Why isn't the same standard applicable to all?

[Skip Intro]

106. I wish the same standard was applicable to all.

That being said, I don't care what color they guy's skin is. That is the point. He was criticizing Hillary for being white, just like Wright did. He was framing the race as white vs black. It was racist bullshit then and it's racist bullshit now.

[Whalestoe]

81. Yaaawwwn.

This guy is NOTHING like Wright. Obama had a personal connection with Wright (Baptism of kids, Marriage, etc.). Plus, this Reverend actually apologized for his statements, unlike Wright who just re-affirmed them in the minds of many. Anyways, Barack handled it. Bad actor priest apologized. It's really not that big of a deal... hell, even my Republican dad thinks this is ridiculous (He thought Wright was a big deal).

I just don't see this affecting Barack.

[Willo]

84. ***BREAKING: The Pink Stain Pot and Pan Brigade spot

something shining deep down amongst their muck.
Devoid of truth, integrity, facts and math they drool over their glorious new find.

Night of the Living Dead: The new breed.

[populistdriven]

86. haha the "ignored" guilt by association blowflies are out in force on this thread - 1/2 are ignored!

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/3706/obama20deeply20disappoifx8.png

[DevonRex]

88. I need to put some more on iggy. Sheesh, they just crawl out

of the woodwork, don't they?

[populistdriven]

93. they are like the bugs under the chicken coop rushing in when they hear that next wet "plop"

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/3706/obama20deeply20disappoifx8.png

[AtomicKitten]

87. I LOVED it!! The apologies were ready on deck. Done and done.

There're no flies on that boy. :D

[ElsewheresDaughter]

95. sad

[psychmommy]

96. well i enjoyed the video.

he addressed white privilege and supremacy. he explained that hill cried because she was like dang how'd he start winning-i deserve this and i am white. pretty much what has been said many times on this board. stop pastotbating hillbots, he isn't obama's preacher. i know you're getting desperate because pelosi & reid are pushing super d's.

[krawhitham]

97. how is this any worse that when HRC mocked Obama durning a stump speech?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/24/hillary-clinton-mocks-bar_n_88194.html

[invictus]

99. What Pfleger said about Hillary and many of her supporters was true.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H11x6bMu4Y

[ElsewheresDaughter]

100. Oh, but Obama's latest preacher is sorry. So is Barack. ....

So many ministers, so many excuses... er, I mean apologies.

sing it with me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65-8x0tgNRM

[anonymous171]

114. He's a Catholic Priest.

[cbc5g]

103. At a time when most of the media is hammering obama, this is not good

Hopefully they won't spend months this time smearing Obama like they did with Wright.

[Bluenorthwest]

104. Let's face it!

There is really nothing better for a political campaign than to bring religion and the clerics that profit from it front and center, early on and as often as possible! They bring nothing but joy and thousands of new votes! Each one a treasure!

Get the whole religion industry out of political discussion.

[BigDDem]

105. and the Amen choir jumps to their feet to applaud this garbage

what a hate filled, pathetic institution

[Skip Intro]

107. Insane? I don't get it. Hate Hillary cuz she's white and she's responsible. White vs black.

and people cheer

:wtf:

[jefferson_dem]

109. "what a hate filled, pathetic institution"

Kind of like the Clinton Campaign.

[BigDDem]

118. Reminds me more of the Obama campaign

Keep embracing Trinity
"God Damn America!!!"

[anonymous171]

113. lol Vatican.

[bigdarryl]

108. Lighten up he was just telling a joke JESUS!!!!!!!!!

[anonymous171]

112. But he's white, so it shouldn't be a problem.

[scheming daemons]

115. Explain to me how Obama is responsible for the words of a CATHOLIC PRIEST that visited his church?

Obama's not a member of the church's elders, and has no say in who they invite to speak.

Obama also, it can be proven, was not in church this past Sunday (he was in Puerto Rico, as well as other places).

There is no "relationship" between Barack Obama and this man whatsoever. He was never a part of Obama's campaign, and it is not even clear that the two have EVER met.


All we know is that the guy gave a guest sermon at a church that Obama belongs to. How on EARTH is Obama even REMOTELY responsible for that?


I don't expect an honest answer from Clinton supporters.... they are incapable of honesty here.

[baldguy]

116. When will we stop forcing our people to apologize when they tell the truth?