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greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 12:39 AM
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The Ostroy Report letter to Hillary WOW
Dear Hillary:
What happened? No really, what the fuck just happened to you? I can't for the life of me figure out how a once-promising presidential campaign--a sure thing for Pete's sake--turned into a pathetic embarrassment? You've had such a head start in this quest to occupy the Oval Office. I mean, literally, you and Bill have been planning it since at least January 1993 when he became president. Was there a more plausible, natural, inevitable scenario than you following in his larger-than-life footsteps? And Chelsea after you? The Clinton Dynasty. Has such a regal ring to it, doesn't it?



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http://ostroyreport.blogspot.com/2008/05/hillary-hillary-hillary-open-letter-to.html

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greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 01:09 AM
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1. pretty blunt....I especially like this paragraph
And then the unthinkable occurred. When asked last week by South Dakota’s Sioux Falls Argus Leader newspaper about all this "Hillary Should Quit" nonsense, you said: "My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. You know I just, I don’t understand it." Jeez, Hillary, are you out of your fucking mind? Even if you didn't mean it, to suggest that as a justification to stay in the race, Obama could be assassinated before the primary season is over, is perhaps the most shocking, shameful, morally reprehensible thing you could have possibly ever said. How could you? Do you realize that with that one comment you threw away whatever shot you may have had to fulfill your dream of convincing, brainwashing and/or bullying the super D's into handing you the nomination? How could you implode like that? It was a despicable act of desperation and, quite frankly, it was pathetic. With that one reckless opportunistic blunder you not only threw away the campaign, but your legacy as well. A once valiant warrior, you are now just a sad footnote in history. An embarrassment. I suspect you will never recover politically from your monumentally insensitive RFK comment, made in the very same week that Massachusetts Sen. Ted Kennedy was diagnosed with a deadly brain tumor.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:11 AM
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8. Sorry, that was MY favorite paragraph. You'll have to find another....
:)
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greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 10:29 AM
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2. 4 recs and no comments?
???
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 10:32 AM
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3. Too busy pastorbating round here.
Amen. :(
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:12 AM
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9. It IS hard to ignore those bright shiny objects, isn't it? n/t
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:57 AM
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15. DUers aid and abait dumbass media
even those who don't mean to.

As long as folks are responding to the dumb shit, everything else seems soooo unimportant.

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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 10:33 AM
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4. Maybe because this is so last week?
I'm out of outrage. It's over, Clinton is done, none of this really matters now.

Peace,
sw
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greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 10:37 AM
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5. I think this one sentence speaks volumes
With that one reckless opportunistic blunder you not only threw away the campaign, but your legacy as well. A once valiant warrior, you are now just a sad footnote in history. An embarrassment.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:02 AM
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6. Thanks. Of course, I NEVER saw her as a "valiant warrior", I NEVER wanted her in the race.
Edited on Fri May-30-08 11:04 AM by scarletwoman
I was way over the Clintons by 1999. From the time Hillary got in the Senate I started begging DUers not to get behind her running for prez.

Like, "Come ON people! Clinton=DLC! They're the neocons of the Democratic party!" It blew my mind how easily people could get scammed, even after years on DU where we've dug up and exposed and discussed every strand of every web of corruption that the Owner Class has woven into our government.

And the Clintons are just two of the fat spiders who help weave that web. The worst possible thing that could have happened to us would have been to get the Clintons back in the White House.

Worse than McCain, even, because all the naive and uninformed American liberals would sit back and relax thinking they had one of their own in the WH -- just like they did during Bill's 2 terms, while he merrily gave us NAFTA, the Telecommunications Act, DOMA, a major expansion of federal polic state surveillance powers, etc, etc, etc.

It was beyond my comprehension why anyone, anywhere on the left, would want the Clintons back in power.

So I don't see this as a tragic fall, I see this as a miraculous blessing in that we may have truly been saved from our own stupidity, however undeserving we may be of such grace. I am so grateful and relieved that Clinton has crashed and burned that I hardly know to which pagan god I should offer sacrifices first.

Peace,
sw

(edited for punctuation)
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:05 AM
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7. "Come ON people! Clinton=DLC!"
Heh... exactly... the people Wellstone warned us about.

Used to be we sort of looked up to that guy and even kinda valued his insight. *sigh*
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:18 AM
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11. Oh, I realized long ago that there are very few actual leftists on DU. Starry-eyed liberals who
believe what they see on the surface, and will never "get" the Class War until it bites them on the ass.

Of course, now that the Class War IS biting them on the ass, there's at least a tiny chance that they might pay more attention and deepen their understanding.

Especially since they've been saved from the Clintons. :D

Peace,
sw
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:22 AM
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12. Yes, itat sentence certainly does....they haved thrown away so much...
But it is just the tip of the iceberg of what she and Bill have thrown away.

They've both destroyed their own legacies.

They've destroyed the unquestionable revereance many Americans had for ex-presidents.

By roping Chelsea into their campaign, they've defiled her future, as well. Oh, sure, Chelsea will always find a place where she can sell the Clinton name for a payroll check. But she'll never be a contender now.

They've destroyed the faith and hope that so many of us had for them and their stewardship of our country. So many of us worked so hard to fight for them during Bill's dick-problemed administration. Massive mail and phone campaigns were organized. We helped so many people put up simple websites where they could post their pro-Clinton opinions and informaton. Some of us actually spent time in Arkansas trying to find information that would exonerate them.

And they've nearly destroyed the Democratic Party. They have sunk lower than Bush/Rove. The Democratic Party was the party that DIDN'T sink to those levels. We could hold ourselves forth as NOT being the GOP. Now the GOP can brag that they aren't as crooked as the Democratic Party, and they can cite a laundry list of Clinton bullshit they've pulled in this campaign.

Suddenly, our party is the party that panders to bigots! Can you believe it? After all of our work for Civil Rights, the Democratic Party is now known as the bigot-panderers!

Finally, they may well end up destroying the nation. By their actions in this campaign they have actively sought to divide the party. Their lies and constant faux victimhood have made their supporters view us as the Jeffrey Dahmers of the party.

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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:14 AM
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10. "And Chelsea after you" OMG No f*cking way.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:34 AM
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13. What happened?
I haven't wanted to pour kerosine on the embers before but this thread is a good place to hide it away.

What happened - nothing.


Senator Clinton is in fact a novice campaigner. This is her first serious campaign. She had massive funding and strategic advantages in her NY races and ran against weak candidates.

There is a huge difference of watching a campaign first hand and actually being the person under the spotlight 24/7.

Hillary may have made Obama a better campaigner but Obama made Hillary a much better campaigner.

Just one of the many ironies in this election.

It turns out that being a community organizer is pretty good training to develop a political ear for what really plays with people. And it turns out that running for City Council and State Legislature and these smaller offices actually do provide valuable practice.


Its alot like the son of a famous baseball player who has seen it all and looks major league and gets thrown into the majors too early - they always fail. Spending time in the minor leagues is actually helpful.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:49 AM
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14. Spot on
People forget that Ms. Clinton won her first Senatorial election because, at the time, New Yorkers were sick to death of Rudy Guiliani. She won her second bout because John Spencer was weak as hell plus that whole Pirro mess.

This really is her first campaign as a stand-alone candidate and it turns out, she's not her husband by a long shot.

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greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:54 PM
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16. good
analysis
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