I think Rev. Pfleger's "Crying Hillary" act is a riot - and dead on!

[polichick]

I'm sorry Barack has to back away from this stuff just because such theatrical performances offend the uptight sensabilities of some.

It reminded me of Hillary's own "Celestial Choirs" routine.

[DrDan]

1. what screen-name does he use here at DU . . . .

[NashVegas]

46. No Kidding

I heard the sound clip this morning. Yow. It's like someone raided a DU thread and amplified it.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

101. I loved it. And local radio here compared it word for word with some comedian's routine

I don't recall the comedian, but the two routines were similar.

I thought the father was spot on. And out right hilarious.

Meanwhile, at other churches, people are either singing
"Onward Christian SOLDIERS" or falling asleep in their pews.

That is what the corporate media prefers that you do.

[trueblue2007]

182. The original poster is a troll

The "pastor" that went off on Senator Clinton was sexist and a racist. In my opinion he was promoting a hateful agenda. I feel he should not be a priest.

What if a minster did the same thing and targeted OBAMA because he is black man? Would you be saying HE IS RIGHT ON???

I think not.

[GCP]

2. I hated it

He demeaned himself by acting like Rev Wright - the voice and the gestures - he may as well have dressed in black face while he was at it.
He demeaned the church goers by acting like their minister
He demeaned Barack Obama by acting like a jerk
And he demeaned Hillary Clinton for being Hillary Clinton.

Great yucks though for some.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. I Though His Delivery Bordered On Parody If Not Minstrel

~

[JI7]

30. actually, he sounded like many White Preachers from the South

but they tend to be southern baptist or some other protestant and he is CAtholic.

[polichick]

33. True - it's a matter of style. Wish the media focused on the substance.

[shaniqua6392]

55. If they focused on the substance, it looks horrible.

Just read a transcript of it. It is racist and sexist. Plain and simple. Can Obama distance himself from his own church?

[polichick]

59. He was speaking to her sense of entitlement...

...something that has driven her to some pretty crazy extremes. Whether that comes from being white or being a Clinton, who knows?

[shaniqua6392]

60. He said she thinks she is entitled because she is white.

That is just bullsh*t.

[polichick]

62. But it may be the way many blacks in that congregation see it...

He wasn't preaching at your church.

[shaniqua6392]

63. They should lose their tax exempt status immediately.

I would walk out of that church if it were mine. Just turn the tables and think if you went to a white church that was preaching about how Obama thinks he is entitled to the Presidency because he is black. Two wrongs don't make a right and there is racism against whites and racism against blacks. It is wrong.

[Bucky]

82. I agree and not just because his words constitute support for McCain's election.

All he does with his hatred is drive swingable voters toward John McCain. How sure are we that he's on our side?

[LibGranny]

120. I thought it was spot on!

And I think Hillary has helped "drive" people to vote for McSame when she said only she and McSame had the experience necessary to be POTUS. She's made other comparisons that disparaged Obama that just show her to be the hateful, ugly, person she is. Yes, she felt entitled to be pres and I think it was because she stayed with Slick Willy and he promised her (after the Monica affair) that he would "make" her president. He had the connections and name recognition. Now she's pissed because it ain't happenin'! He's still out there trying though - yeah, he's very trying.

[BigDDem]

124. So, is it "spot on"

or divisive, backward-looking rhetoric?

Cant be both....

[anigbrowl]

137. It was divisive. But then, making fun of W is divisive.

This white person also found it screamingly funny, an effective parody of the self-absorbed mindset that exists among some people. Fact is, Jon Stewart could have said the exact same thing and nobody would have batted an eye.The #1 reason for discomfort that I see among objectors to this is that black people were laughing at it. Oh shit! a White person is being mocked and the blacks are laughing! To the lifeboats!

[amandabeech]

155. So, you think that it was Bubba and not her skin tone?

Then why do you think that the good Father was spot on? He said that she felt that she was inevitable because of her race. You think that it had to do with "the Clenis."

I don't think that she's about race in this primary. I think she's about getting her due for staying with Bubba while he continued to philander and embarrass her in the White House on national TV.

Wronged women come in all colors.

[polichick]

119. I don't think ANY church should've ever had a tax-exempt status.

[hisownpetard]

161. AMEN to that!

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

102. I'm white and he was definitely speaking to me. He was great

he was saying what so many think - Hillary believes she is entitled to
the Presidency, hence her rage.

[bvar22]

128. Why do you think she feels entitled?

Just curious.

[psychmommy]

141. hillary brought the white crap in.

what do you think her message has been. vote for me i am one of you. that supremacy is what she brought into the race. i thought it was hysterically funny also. he doesn't have to run from his church-what kind of question is that?

[Hansel]

167. I wish the media would stay the hell out of that church

They really have no legitimate reason to stick their noses into the private affairs of that church. I can't remember ANY presidential candidate whose church as been scrutinized in any way, much less in the way that this one has. Why is that?

If the media was camped outside of Hillary's church scrutinizing the actions of everyone in it, we would all be outraged and rightfully so. But for some reason most people seem to think it's legitimate to harass these people in their church and scrutinize, judge and mock everything they do and every reaction they have.

They are private citizens not part of Obama's campaign. They did not ask for this attention. I'm going to call it what it is--racism. This is not about Obama. This is about entertaining the bigoted masses with, "oh look how these people behave. Ooo, they is so bad. They is racist against the white man. Ooo." It's pathetic and the left-wing talk shows and blogs have been willful participants in this truly abhorrent behavior.

The media is completely out of bounds trying to cover something that they have no clue how to. They look and sound like clowns trying to cover the inner city like the people live with the same issues as the average suburbs. Living in the inner city, especially in a place like Chicago, is a tough life. Many of the people attending this church live every day with the threat of violence and death. Their children are shot through the walls of their homes or sold drugs or beaten to death because they wore the wrong colors or didn't flash the right sign. If they don't follow Miss Manners rules of etiquette, I think we can get past that.

All of the tut tutting and tsk tsking on this blog and in the media shows a profound naivety that is really pretty embarrassing.

[JVS]

64. I've seen Pfleger before. He wasn't acting like Wright, he was acting like himself

That's how the man is. Deal with it.

[suziedemocrat]

69. The man is ugly to the core. That is the religion of hatred.

Obama was supposed to be the great unifier. What a scam.

I'm done with DU - I was so angry after the 2004 election I took solace here. But I can't identify with the hatred and ugliness. It disgusts me. It is why I stopped contributing money to this site.

[JVS]

72. When you say you're done with DU, does that mean you'll quit posting?

Why is Obama responsible for the words of a priest who just happens to live in the same city as him?

[thetaoofterri]

78. I agree with you,

but I haven't been around here as long as you have. I had a monthly subscription, but I stopped contributing this week. I cannot support this hatred and ugliness any longer.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

103. You clearly don't know the Priest - you let the MSM tell you what to think

You still trust the media?

Or you can't see the truth when it smacks you in the face?

Watch the video.

[blonndee]

121. Oh, goody!

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

131. McCain's looking for trolls if Hillaryis44 has too many

[KSinTX]

93. Very astute observation nt

[reflection]

112. It seemed highly inappropriate for a church setting.

I love sarcasm and snark as much as the next guy, but I don't want the Word delivered to me that way.

But that's why all churches are different, I suppose.

[grantcart]

139. I laughed at it but you are right

especially about the church goers

[Beacool]

140. I agree with you.

I had heard the clip on the radio and thought that he was AA, I was shocked to see that he was white when I saw him on TV. His homily was a parody (the cadences, the rhythms) of black speech.

What he and others don't seem to get is how much of a turn off it is to average people to see a pastor or priest spewing such hateful words from the PULPIT.

What kind of men of God are these????

[Bake]

151. Why aren't AAs offended when a white guy tries to sound like one of their preachers?

I wasn't amused, and frankly, I thought his little routine had no place in the PULPIT.

The pulpit is for preaching the Gospel, not for partisan politics, and I don't care whether it's coming from Hagee, Parsley, Wright, or Pfleger. They ALL ought to be ashamed of themselves, and one day they will be.

Bake

[JI7]

3. i think he is funny

not really because i agree with it or because he is going after Hillary. i just think it's funny how he is up there like that.

are there other videos of him preaching like that online ?

on a side note, it does show there are white people who also support Wright ane he isn't some anti white guy that the media tried to make him out to be.

[shaniqua6392]

4. Well I would not spend too much time laughing about it.

It is a problem. It is the top story today on the morning news shows. His church is going to be the gift that keeps on giving in the fall.

[Hutzpa]

70. Hate much...

or do you enjoy being bitter...

:evilgrin:

[shaniqua6392]

80. Assume much?

Or do you just enjoy accusing people who are looking out for our chances at the White House this fall of being bitter?

[Kahuna]

5. I just sent an email to Morning Joe because Mika is playing it up..

I told her that the man was 100% correctamundo and that if the same routine was on SNL they would be laughing about it.

[polichick]

10. Perfect! Tucker is trying hard to make it a big dea.

[hokies4ever]

16. I agree, it's all about the theatrics and the fact that it is in a church

[quantass]

6. Me too...

I think its pretyt exacting and quite entertaining...nothing wrong here. I am not sure if the MSM will pick up on it now that things are winding down in this fight and they have the McLellan book to maul over...i am sure fox will keep pushing it for a while in hopes of redirecting things from the Mclellan book to help the right-wing.

[JI7]

8. but because he is white it doesn't fit into their earlier story

about Rev Wright.

they should have send him to West Virginia.

[flpoljunkie]

7. MSNBC eating it up and it was the lead story on The Today Show. NO mention of Pfleger's apology!

Obama "deeply disappointed" in Father Michael Pfleger. UPDATE Pfleger apology.

WASHINGTON--Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) said in a statement he was "deeply disappointed" in Father Michael Pfleger, after the priest --in a scene caught on videotape-- mocked Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y) from the pulpit of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago--the home church of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. UPDATE Click below for Pfleger apology

“As I have traveled this country, I've been impressed not by what divides us, but by all that that unites us. That is why I am deeply disappointed in Father Pfleger's divisive, backward-looking rhetoric, which doesn't reflect the country I see or the desire of people across America to come together in common cause," Obama said in a statement.

For video http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/05/father_michael_pflager.html#more

Response of Rev. Michael L. Pfleger of statements made during a sermon on Sunday, May 25, 2008

"I regret the words I chose on Sunday. These words are inconsistent with Senator Obama's life and message, and I am deeply sorry if they offended Senator Clinton or anyone else who saw them."

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/05/obama_deeply_disappointed_in_f_1.html

[KeepItReal]

18. They made a quick "He apologized, by the way" comment

They don't seem to get the concept of *GUEST* pastor.

[flpoljunkie]

28. So quick, I missed it! Thanks.

[Bucky]

83. His apology included a nullifying "if".

Once more... saying I'm sorry if you were offended is not an apology. It is a mockery of remorse.

[K Gardner]

117. SO DID HILLARY'S. Oh, the hypocrisy.

[Bucky]

123. How is that hypocritical? I didn't like Hillary Clinton's "if" and I don't like Pfleger's

I don't like apologies that state "if anyone was offended" and I don't like preachers using the pulpit to electioneer. I don't like it when Republicans do it and I don't like it when we do it.

[cali]

9. I think it's ugly and mean spirited. Each to their own.

[IsItJustMe]

58. Not to my tase either, but people that get frustrated and outraged express it

in different ways.

[Mudoria]

11. Dunno... he looked like an asshole to me..

Hopefully he won't quit his day job and try out for a local comedy club.

[polichick]

14. Oh sure, he looked as creepy as Hillary did when she went into that mode...

But there's an over-the-top humor to it ~ and in this case (as in Wright's) the actual message has merit.

[npincus]

13. you may think so, but it's extremely counterproductive

a lot of female Hillary supporters will take extreme offense at this, and Obama is right to run fast as hell away from this guy. Obama can't win without a united party and this video is poison.

[hokies4ever]

15. I thought it was funny too

and also thought that Hillary's 'celestial choirs' routine was funny as well, even though I'm an Obama supporter. This is what happens when you start the campaign billing yourself as the inevitable candidate. Many of Hillary's comments have hinted that she thinks that Obama is stealing the nomination away from her (e.g. her comments praising herself and McCain, but that Obama only has a speech he gave in 2002).

[polichick]

20. I agree - she thought it was hers, just like the man said!

[amandabeech]

156. Do you agree with Father Pfleger that Clinton thought she was entitled to the Presidency

because of her skin tone?

That's what bugs me. He attributes it to her race.

She may feel entitled, but I I think it is because she stuck with Bill during the Monica mess, and she thinks that she gets a reward for it.

Instead of some diamond jewelry, she gets the Presidency.

As I wrote before, wronged women come in all colors.

[greguganus]

178. Let's buy her a mood ring and tell her to move on

She feels entitled because she is an egotistical snobbish sociopath who thinks the American public are all a bunch of mindless sheep. She only stayed with her cheating husband so she could ride his stained coattails into the Oval office. Not this time, Queen B.

[rodeodance]

87. Preaching hate is funny to you?? This took place in Obama's church!!

[gal]

129. The man was a guest...Is Obama now responsible for running the church as well?

[rodeodance]

134. its the pattern of hate preaching that is important to note

[scheming daemons]

145. Again... what does OBAMA have to do with that "pattern"? He's not a church elder....

[amandabeech]

157. But no one is forcing him to sit in the pews at Trinity.

I left a church because of the minister's message, but I still have friends there.

Why did he stay in a church that might cost him votes in downstate and suburban Illinois if he doesn't agree with the message? What would be the point?

His real friends won't desert him if he chooses another church.

It has been explained to me 100 times here on DU, but I just don't get it.

[JI7]

17. is this guy Catholic ?

that's the first time i have seen a Catholic who preaches like that.

[Diamonique]

19. I've seen a couple of Catholic priests who preach like that. n/t

[polichick]

23. I've seen protestant ministers in the inner city preach like this...

And tent revivals can be wonderfully theatrical too, though usually less political.

[JVS]

66. I guess the South Side is the South Side even in a Catholic church

[suziedemocrat]

74. Exactly - I grew up Catholic and I couldn't beleive my eyes. What happened.

They guy looked ridiculous. He should be excommunicated - imo.

[WildEyedLiberal]

96. HAHA excommunicated????

You must not remember too damn much about the church if you think someone can get EXCOMMUNICATED for hurting your feelings in a SERMON for fuck's sake.

The faux outrage here is cracking me up, God.

[fishwax]

149. pretty funny stuff, innit

:rofl:

:hi:

[fishwax]

148. excommunicated?

:rofl:

:eyes:

[indimuse]

21. explain HOW this is GOOD for BaracK?

I don't understand you???? you don't get it!

[casus belli]

25. None of us do...we're all idiots.

Thank God we have rational, clear-headed people like you to sort it all out for us.

[polichick]

27. I didn't say it was good for Barack - I'm just sorry people are so...

...incapable of seeing through the theatrics to the meaning, making it necessary for Barack to comment.

[Bucky]

85. It helps Barack by helping him avoid the stress of being president

Every word that man spoke drove a few more voters over to John McCain.

Damn, but I'm mad right now.

[Critters2]

162. LOL!!! That is a great response! nt

[Enrique]

22. Obama backed away from the stuff because he doesn't believe in it

he opposes it.

[polichick]

29. I doubt he disagrees with the substance.

Hillary IS crying ~ not to mention kicking and screaming ~ about HER nomination being taken away.

[Enrique]

35. yes he does disagree with it

Obama isn't that much of a hypocrite.

[rodeodance]

88. This took place in his church. Looks like nothing has changed!

[Honeycombe8]

24. I disapprove of this man's "show," but actually, I agree basically w/the substance.

I've thought that this is probably Clinton and her supporters' viewpoint of the primary. I couldn't explain their attitude in any other way. Why the animosity to another candidate that is winning fair and square? Why the animosity, when the other candidate is not particularly harsh or personally negative against Clinton? Then it occurred to me after the Ferraro and other comments....that's it. The Clinton camp had thought at the beginning that this nomination is theirs. They never viewed Obama or any of the others as much of a challenge. After all, Clinton is the wife of a former very popular President. She is a current senator of a large Democratic state. She is white, unlike Obama. They didn't strategize particularly well, or handle their money wisely, because they thought it'd be over by Super Tuesday; Hillary even said it would be over then.

So they were absolutely floored, when Obama started winning. It just wasn't supposed to happen. They viewed it as his taking from her what was rightfully hers, what was supposed to be hers. Everyone knew it was supposed to be hers....didn't he get the memo?

But why these pastors have to enter the political arena is beyond me. It is unseemly and has nothing to do with their serving the religious needs of their congregation. This pastor of THIS church, especially should've known not to make political comments. Sheesh.

[genna]

73. The point of the social gospel is to challenge the prevailing winds of the government

I doubt very seriously that what we need as a society is a toothless religious figure who is unwilling to challenge what the social forces are.

I did think it was funny when I watched this Father doing the bit about Hillary Clinton. I found myself saying, what is not true about this temper tantrum HRC is currently having?


Wasn't it an OT prophet that asked another person to strike him with a rock so he could make a point to the king, the political leader, about the king's policies?

What was MLK but a religious figure telling a political leader(s) human rights were required?

I would ask: what is feeding the hungry and taking care of the poor? A social gospel.


Now, whether or not you all thought it was a minstrel show---I doubt a black congregation would allow that, but maybe you know Chicagoans better than I do.

[Vinca]

26. I have to admit, I burst out laughing when I saw the tape.

I've heard this same thing on the Internets over and over and over and over again - only not so loud. Of course, MSM came to a screeching halt. "WE'VE GOT BREAKING OBAMA GUEST PASTOR NEWS COMING IN." :rofl:

[rucky]

31. It makes for some good Sunday morning entertainment.

But they need to pull their shit together because they're doing Obama no favors.

[polichick]

36. I guess the church doesn't see itself as part of the campaign...

Crazy place we've come to that the sermons in a candidate's church (even ones by guest ministers) are political fodder ~ so much for the separation of church and state!

[rucky]

41. He had to have known what would come next.

He doesn't care about the position this puts Obama in. He's knowingly putting him in harm's way to advance a separate agenda - one that could be advanced a lot easier under a President Obama, versus, say McCain. So he's not helping his own cause, either.

I don't disagree with a thing he or Wright have said on the pulpit. But I question their motives, and see them just as selfish and narrow and short-sighted as Hillary at this point.

[polichick]

43. Politicians and ministers have a lot in common - including love of the stage.

[genna]

76. Agenda? Should a believer follow a politician or God?

Short-sighted much?

I think a pastor needs to follow God.

I think a politician should follow whatever they believe most.

[rucky]

84. There are a million other ways to do that. n/t

[rightAintRIGHT]

92. Stop and think about what you just said

I've been lurking at DU for years, I've never posted before, felt most of the posters were able to speak for me, put my thoughts to words better than me.

But this election is so special I don't want it messed up.

The fact that there is an agenda and it seems according to you there is and Obama would be for it
"one that could be advanced a lot easier under a President Obama" and that agenda is contained in Rev Wright's & Rev Pfleger's sermons is scary for it will doom Obama.

I get the idea that where there has been movement from white voters away from Obama is because of fear that he has that agenda and they don't like it.

Are you saying that a majority of Blacks think like this? And that they think if Obama gets in they will have their 'chance' to implement what I would have to say is reverse racism.

If many beleive that this 'agenda' is possible under Obama and the middle of America voters get that impression Obama will not be elected.

Please don't assigned an agenda to him that he doesn't beleive in and will prevent him from being elected. If you can site where he has hinted he'd be inclined to follow these racist ideas please enlighten me or just please don't make the hint yourself.

Flame away if you must but please don't assign views to Obama that aren't his or he's not sympathetic to.

[rucky]

99. I wasn't clear, but I don't see the church's primary agenda as separatist.

And the separatist message is probably the biggest barrier to the larger goal of the church which - one would hope - would be equality and social justice.

Can we agree we're all for that?

I know "agenda" is a loaded term that's taken to suggest something insidious, but everybody's got one.

[rightAintRIGHT]

111. agreed... equality and social justice for ALL

that has my full support.
I want Obama to have a chance to fight for that and no hidden agenda of any kind will make that possible.

[global1]

32. I Hear That That Clip Wasn't Really Filmed In Obama's Church But......

it was a set a Second City - the comedy club that brought us a lot of top SNL greats.





















kidding

[polichick]

34. LOL

[Critters2]

175. Is this an Obama talking point?

I just found this posted on a UCC discussion site:

"I dare anybody to challenge father Pfleger's depiction of Hillary Clinton as not being dead on.
I don't understand why everyone has been reduced to walking on onion paper around her ...... we don't want to hurt her feelings and all. If this was a Saturday Night Live skit it would receive an emmy."

Also saw several similar posts--all mentioning SNL--on the Chicago Tribune site. I'm thinking Obamites got a memo.

[dommyluc]

37. Where's my TV spot?

I've been saying that Hillary has had an attitude of entitlement for months now. How come I'm not shown on TV all day long by idiot pundits and commentators trying to manufacture another non-scandal? Funny how the preist didn't make any mention of politcal assassination, unlike others we all know and love. It was hilarious how the traditional media tried to help Hillary get off the hook with her outrageous comments yet will try to keep this one going forever because they don't have some missing woman or Britney rehab to report on. And when are they going to start reporting on that nutjob preacher that Hillary adores, and their "prayer breakfasts", where Hillary cozies up with the most despicable RW Republicans imaginable?
I think it's about time Obama really goes after her. He has been too nice for too long. She will try to play the victim once more, using whatever she can lay her hands on to fling at Obama while crying how she is treated unfairly. Well, boo-fucking-hoo, Empress Clinton. Obama could make you squirm til the GE by constantly harping on your disgusting RFK statements and all the other negative bullshit you have used against a fellow Democratic candidate. How about if he mentioned the fact that you were in the White House while your spouse was getting a blowjob from an intern, and then you went out and defended your cheating, lying, sleazy, Republican-lite husband against the "vast RW conspiracy" - although now I suppose it is the "vast LW conspiracy" that is trying to bring you down? And now you have the nerve to say that you have to stay in the race to speak for the women who support you? Hillary Clinton would throw every woman in this country under the proverbial bus to get the nomination.
I may be wrong, but I don't recall Obama saying, early in the primary campaign, that he would be the eventual nominee and he would have the nomination wrapped up by February the way that Clinton did. Sure sounds like Clinton has a sense of entitlemnent to me.

[polichick]

38. I agree with you - and the double standard is amazing...

I think you should have your own show!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

45. Obama Won

I don't see how kicking Hillary to the curb will ingratiate him with her supporters...It is mathematically impossible for Obama to win the presidency without at least half her supporters supporting him...

[polichick]

47. You're right - he is thinking of her supporters.

[amandabeech]

160. Yes, but is her sense of entitlement due to her race?

That's what I thought the fair Father was implying, and I don't think that's true. Suggesting that without clear proof is sterotyping and incredibly divisive.

It's like saying Obama felt he was entitled to the nomination after two years in the U.S. Senate because he's black and having no clear proof to back up an incredibly ugly and divisive statement.

I don't think that's true either, but if someone said that here seriously, they'd be thrown out in an instant.

[Mezzo]

39. You ARE the problem with the Democratic Party.

[polichick]

42. Why, because I don't judge the style a preacher should use??

My background is anthropology ~ imo it's not up to outsiders to judge HOW someone worships, and important to try to glean the meaning behind whatever rituals, ceremonies or performances used. This minister was pointing out a truth that the congregation already felt ~ which is why they stood up and applauded. Hillary did think she was entitled to the nomination.

[rucky]

44. Or maybe you are?

Or maybe it's people like me butting into conversations all the time?

But don't you think you owe an explanation, if you're going to make a grand statement like that?

Otherwise it just sounds like bluster.

[shayes51]

40. Then you should get ready to shed your own tears.

[rox63]

48. I was really suprised to find out the guy was a Catholic priest

I grew up Catholic (now ex), and I never saw a priest act like that, in or out of the pulpit. I think politics should stay out of churches, and churches should stay out of politics. Period.

[polichick]

50. I think church should stay out of politics...

But historically the church was one of few safe places to discuss politics pertaining to civil rights in the black community.

[rox63]

51. Civil rights and social justice issues are fine in church

But this was about neither of those. It was simply about mocking one of the candidates.

[polichick]

54. Well, the minister seemed to think that her entitlement had to do with race...

Maybe that's how many blacks see it, I don't know. For me, it's clear that she thought the nomination was hers ~ why is another question.

[rox63]

56. I think her sense of entitlement was because she's a Clinton

Not because she's white or female. Can you think of any other white female who would've had such a sense of entitlement to the presidential nomination?

[polichick]

57. I'm not even sure it's because she's a Clinton...

Some think choosing the quick-talking Bill Clinton was a calculated move toward her goal ~ remember, she was the star at Yale and he was in awe of her.

[genna]

86. I am AA. I think other AA agree. She explicitly said white voters were base.

Obama has not said black people are his base.

We are a numerical minority in this country. A white politician telling us her base is white means the majority controls. Our minority population is not enough to win the election.

How should we hear what she said when she has been explicit.

[polichick]

122. As a PA voter, I was disgusted when she played to her white base here...

...and even more disgusted when so many fell for her fear tactics. You're right ~ Barack doesn't talk about his base at all; but rather a coalition for change.

Last night I was at a general election kick-off event and our Congressman mentioned how stunned he was at what happened in PA ~ it really did open some eyes!

[amandabeech]

163. She said that white voters were her base only after it became clear that

AA voters were voting 90% for Obama from the get-go.

What was she supposed to say? Claim that the AA community was her base when she received so little support there?

Politicians talk all the time about which groups--regional, religious, economic, gender, ethnic or racial--are voting for them and which groups they might get to vote for them.

I'm sure that Obama and his advisers are saying the same kind of things, like, "AA voters are a big part of our base." They just haven't said it in front of a reporter's camera or microphone. Yet.

How would YOU characterize Hillary's base in ethnic or racial terms? Would "European Americans" be better? How about, "Hispanics," who have voted for her in substantial numbers.

What's Obama going to say on his groups? Young? Educated? Bi-Coastal? Elite? Male? Black? I'm sure he and his advisers use these words all the time in discussing their support.

That's why pollsters ask all kinds of questions about prospective voters: it is so that the candidates and the media can figure out which groups support which candidate, generally.

I'm sure that Hillary, like her husband and any Dem politician, would love to have high levels of support in the AA community. In fact, before Obama put his hat in the ring, polls showed that many in the AA community leaned toward voting for her.

If she still had that support, then she'd be able to say, like Obama certainly does in private, "A big part of my base is in the Black community."

Would you find that offensive?

[my3boyz]

49. I agree with everything he said BUT I don't think she felt that

way because she was white! I think she felt entitled because she was Bill's wife and thought it would be a cake walk to the nomination. Then this NEW (wouldn't say because he was black) guy caught her off guard (as she was campaigning for the GE instead of the primary) and took what she thought was hers. She is like a 2 year old stomping around saying, "MINE! MINE! MINE!".

[JVS]

68. I think it's a combination of both, and that just the way HRC supporters here...

read a lot of misogyny into the race, it is likely that parishoners both at St. Sabina and Trinity read racism into the presidential race as well. Particularly after Hillary and Bill have been saying a lot of things that antagonize the racial tensions already existing in America.

[cyndensco]

165. I agree hillary did not feel entitled because she is white.

She felt it was due her because she is a clinton. If Obama had not been the last one standing, race would never have entered the equation. (Unless, of course, it was Richardson - that would have been interesting). :D

I don't think hillary hates losing to Obama - she just hates losing. I wonder, though, if some of her supporters would be more comfortable if it was anyone but Obama. I can't imagine so many people, democrats, saying they would not vote for the nominee if, say, Biden or Dodd were it. Perhaps it would be easier for them losing to a good old boy than Obama. I wonder...

[amandabeech]

169. I don't like the way Obama mocks Hillary.

It is incredibly rude and dismissive, and I doubt if he'd do it to the male candidates. "I guess you're likeable enough, Hillary." Barf.

Dodd is a gentleman. Biden puts his foot in his mouth, but he has been known to apologize when necessary. Obama doesn't have that habit.

The fact that he hasn't done very much to rein in his supporters, like the rude boys here, also tells where his heart is. Or isn't.

Frankly, Obama comes off as incredibly arrogant. He's done well in school, lots of folks have probably swooned over him. However, he shows little heart and hasn't been tested in life, as far as I can tell.

He's wrestled with his skin tone, yes, but believe me, if I could get a parent and two grandparents who loved me as much as his loved him, I'd dye my skin as black as midnight without complaint. And I would never, ever, describe my grandmother as a racist on national TV to make a political point. Very classy, Barak.

That's from someone who doesn't even like Hillary all that much.

I'd rather be voting for Dodd or Biden, or my favorite Edwards, than either of the current candidates.

[cyndensco]

173. I think Obama has taken the high road during his campaign.

His "likable enough" comment I did not at all see as belittling. Sarcastic, maybe, but not at all to put her down. As I recall, she suggested that some do not find her likable - I don't remember her being very serious, or hurt, when she said it - and Obama continued her tone.

The only time I felt he crossed the line was the Annie Oakley thing. I thought it was over-the-top and rather silly. Otherwise, she has given him many opportunities to disrespect her - from Bosnia to the celestial choirs - but he has not done so.

As far as Obama not apologizing, we disagree. I think he has apologized more than any other candidate I can remember, and his apologies are usually for what others have said or done.

As far as his grandmother, he did not "out" her as a racist. He said she made comments that made him cringe. I hear things that make me cringe, say things that make others cringe, and I do not accuse others of being racist. In fact, some people have "complimented" me by saying, "you're not like the others..." To me, it is an ignorant statement (in terms of exposure to other AAs 'cause there are many just like me) but I do not think they are racist necessarily. Believe me, Obama knows his grandmother is/was not racist - if she was, she would not love him.

Finally, I had 2 parents, 4 grandparents, and lots of relatives who loved me dearly. As much as my parents tried to shield and encourage me that I was just as good as anyone else, I still faced discrimination. You might think it would have been easier for you with "skin as dark as midnight" if you had a supportive family, but you WOULD have to leave the nest and you'd find it is not that easy.

My problem remains though that when folks claim they have voted for the democratic nominee for the past 40 years but will not do so this cycle, I think there has to be more to it. Certainly, their preferred candidate did not always remain on the ticket but they were able to support, or at least vote for, the nominee. I appreciate some would have preferred Edwards, Biden or Dodd, but to not vote for the democratic nominee this particular time suggests more to me....

Enjoy your weekend! :hi:

[Marrah_G]

52. Wow you both agree with and cheer on a PoS shit like that

:puke:

[NashVegas]

53. It's a Perfect Imitation of Some DUers, I'm Sure

I also thought of Hillary's "Celestial Choirs," as you put it, and of how some DUers still express rage that she MOCKED! Obama.

The difference is that Hillary Clinton, herself, went after Obama while - once again - it was one of his advocates who did the dirty work for him.

[polichick]

61. Right. I don't remember Hillary being attacked by the media for that...

...and yet Obama is taken to task for something a guest minister says. It really is the silly season!

[suziedemocrat]

65. It offends me to no end!!!!

I am a "real" Democrat. I always vote straight ticket. I have a BS and some graduate work. I will NOT vote for Obama.

[bcoylepa]

79. you're anger is leading you

I can understand that you are feeling strongly about your candidate but if you are a true democrat and do not want to continue down the destructive path of the last 8 years then you will vote for Obama in the general if he is the candidate - if you don't than you are not a "real dem" - either way you're anger is leading you and that will not help this country

[Darth_Kitten]

67. Obama backing away from this? Oh, now THAT'S funny.

n/t

I like drama, good drama. Not more vindictive, woman-hating, politically correct bullshit.

[Stump]

71. Some of you think this is no big deal...

and believe it's pretty funny...I believe this shit is gonna hurt. People see this shit and it scares the hell out of them. So flame me, say people are bigots and stupid if this changes their vote...maybe so, but votes are being lost each day...if Obama loses this election, he can thank Trinity United Church of Christ.

[Max_powers94]

75. You know what she deserve this after all the shit she has done.

And yes this is funny as Hell.....Oh don't forget when she mock Obama a few months ago.

[genna]

90. Scares them? Is it what Trinity represents?

It reminds me of the anger people feel about black radicals during the 1960s.

What do they think these church goers are going to do?

If BHO had no faith and professed to believe nothing, would he have better legs to stand on?

I don't think so.

If you want to talk race, talk race.

If you want to use code speak to talk around the fears, then I think you should take that opinion about Trinity and stuff it.


The hardest task BHO has is to prove to these fears are wrong without naming what those fears are. If he talks directly about it, he's being racial. If he doesn't talk about these fears, he has a white voter problem.

I think it is a bogus argument. I think he needs to continue to assert who he is and let those code speakers know he is firmly in control of that code language.

[WeDidIt]

77. I can describe his sermon in two words

Brutally Honest

[Bucky]

81. It was crude, offensive, and divisive--everything Obama is opposed to.

Every word he spoke is material support for McCain's election. That church should lose its nonprofit status along with every fundy church out distributing pro-Republican propaganda.

[rodeodance]

89. Obama pushes for 'change' but his church continues with hate speech!!

[genna]

91. What is hate speech?

If this qualifies, I don't think you understand what hate speech is.

[scheming daemons]

146. Explain how Obama is responsible for the words of OTHERS in his church?

[amandabeech]

168. He's not. But a lot of people will judge him by the company he keeps.

n/t

[WildEyedLiberal]

94. It IS hilarious, but not as hilarious as all the faux outrage on DU

OMG THIS IS SO RACIST AND OFFENSIVE IT IS HATE SPEECH I AM SO HURT AND SADDENED THIS ISN'T FUNNY!!!!!!1111

God, take a xanax. So Father Pfleger is racist against himself? Jesus Christ. I've seen whiny self-hating white people before (mostly on this site, unsurprisingly), and Pfleger doesn't even come close. Stop trying to score cheap political points with this, Christ.

[SeaLyons]

95. Well, if you think making racists comments is acceptable

...in a church no less, then hey - I'm not one bit surprised that most Obama supporters think this latest skit from the alter is funny.

Wonder how funny it would be if the tables were turned. The outrage on this board would be beyond belief.

Who in the Hell is Barack Obama????

[NatBurner]

98. explain to me how a white man criticizing a white woman is racist

go!

[SeaLyons]

100. why did he mention the word "white"....

as soon as he did that - it was racist.

[Max_powers94]

106. And Hillary said "White Working Class" That is all

[SeaLyons]

109. It was a disgusting racist outrage....

THAT IS ALL!!!!!

[NatBurner]

110. you're serious?

saying the word "white" makes u racist

ok then

smh

[truth please]

113. OMG!!

[ccharles000]

97. I personally thought it was disgusting.

Why would a "man of god" speak with so many vile words against another person.

[truth please]

104. I'm sitting here reading the comments from all the people

insulted by Pfleger's comments. There is a Minister that supports Hillary and the Obama haters love him. They are not insulted about anything he says. He called Obama's mother a whore. Hannity, Limbaugh and all the women on the hate Obama cause Hillary is Queen websites love this man and feel everything he says is true. Why, because he is black and hates black people, so what he says is right. Now Rev. Manning is as ignorant as they come, he stands there and yells but the only difference is they like what he says because he's pro Hillary. Just go over to youtube.com and listen to this man's sermons. There are idiot pastor's everywhere but Obama is the only one that has to apologize for them. It's so funny I can't believe that grown people get insulted over these comments.

Just a sample of the acceptable Rev. Manning


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-Wr7q27khE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejTmistHFw0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgtIqeV-6mk&feature=related

[rucky]

108. (!!!)

[ShortnFiery]

127. Whoa, this one is out in the OZONE. I guess he's the AA wing of the KKK

in that RACIAL PURITY is what it's all about. :crazy:

[eridani]

105. Kicking people while they're down is bad sportsmanship

Humor usually doesn't redeem it, even if it's good.

[Spider Jerusalem]

142. Er...refusing to admit when you've lost is poor sportsmanship, too.

[BigDDem]

107. He's a racist

in a racist church.

[Exultant Democracy]

185. Racist against who? White people? He is white. Black people? They don't seem to think so.

[KSinTX]

114. Brit Hume's performance was right up there, too

The somber removal of his glasses as he stoicly delivered his lines were indeed Oscar-worthy. I think he's formidable competition to Pfleger for the gilded statuette.

[RNdaSilva]

115. He's an amateur comedian...

if Jon Stewart was acting this scene nothing would be said.

In any case,:wtf: does this have to do with Barack Obama.

The MSM, et al., are grasping at straws. End this silly season.

[TexasObserver]

116. Just one more lousy preacher who thinks he's a stand up comic.

He looked and sounded like silly ass white preachers all over America, particularly the fundies who prance around on their TV stages, exhorting their listeners with shouts and squeals that mean nothing.

He was obviously playing to the largely black audience, with his reparations shtick, and morphed that into his comments about Hillary, which were accurate, if impolitic.

He's an ass clown, behaving like an ass clown, and one more instance of buffoonery unfortunately connected tenuously to Obama.

[BigDDem]

118. I'll check back in with ya in the general when this is

a commercial. Hopefully you'll still think it's a "riot" then.

[polichick]

125. Read more carefully - I didn't say any political fallout would be funny...

I think it's absurd that Barack should have to answer to any of this nonsense. But imo the act was as funny as Hillary's Celestial Choirs act. (But more substantial.)

[ShortnFiery]

126. I do too. Yes, kind of embarrassed but he does have an inkling of truth in his words.

I've always been an outspoken, unabashed pushy broad. Many times I've spoken out when it would have been wise to STFU. But what the hell.

For example, when I was a graduate student, our Department Chair and Research Mentor was a world class misogynist. During our weekly meetings, he'd go on and on ... and on about how "Our Field" was becoming FEMINIZED and it would surely bring down salaries. :wow: BTW - Every member of our weekly research group were women (four of us) except for our two Faculty Advisers.

Into the second month of our weekly meetings, our Department Chair came in *beaming with joy* and announced, "We are FINALLY getting 'a man' to join our research group." Without missing a beat, I retorted, "That's excellent news Dr. X, NOW we'll have someone who can serve us coffee." :wow: :nuke: There were a few muffled giggles and then the room fell silent.

Yes, I paid a dear price by having to submit my Thesis Proposal FOUR times and endure a grilling during my subsequent ORAL defense.

If I had to do it again ... I wouldn't have changed a thing. :evilgrin:

----------------

This OUTSPOKEN leftist Priest (I didn't know they existed anymore) is "a performer" ... who knows exactly what his motivations were - but - we do know that his Parish has / and continues to support the poor and disenfranchised. He's not a person who desires great wealth or political power so even if you don't agree, I don't think it's cool to get ANGRY. If you get ANGRY, then it's time to reflect upon your own biases. This PRIEST has NO POWER over you personally unlike our political representatives.

My best advice: Like watching a left wing version of FOX news, "take it for what it's worth." :shrug:

[Lucky 13]

130. Is she demanding an apology from Saturday Night Live too?

By this standard, Obama needs to denounce and reject Amy Poehler and the SNL writing staff.

[bridgit]

133. HRC stood right beside Poehler and played along. Obama's church is not even as inclusive....

as SNL, but they do seem to have surpassed their quota of comedians :spray:

[bridgit]

132. Sure, all the pseudo-religious, histrionic gibberish that comes out of Obama's church is a riot!!

The Hand That Rocks The Cradle :spray:

[polichick]

135. I doubt it - it's just that the media doesn't cover the tame stuff.

[bridgit]

170. Agreed, if we are to agree that our vaunted 4th estate covers *nothing* of any import to America...

being so busy covering their own salaries & mortgages in Georgetown = not good!

[shayes51]

136. "I am deeply sorry if I offended Sen. Clinton..."

IF he offended Sen. Clinton??? Now, THAT is really funny. Or maybe not. Maybe the man is just stupid.

[Critters2]

172. Conditional apologies really piss me off.

I'd much rather people just take responsibility for their behavior.

[aikoaiko]

138. it iwas funny, but it was still race baiting.

[wvbygod]

143. Yeah, those sexist and racist expositions are a real riot

Pardon me while I don't find it anything but disgusting.

[polichick]

150. Where's the sexism and racism in those comments??

[VotesForWomen]

144. more classy "tone-changing and uniting" from O-ists. you guys are great. nt

[polichick]

147. LOL - classy, like Clinton???

[bridgit]

171. agreed...

:thumbsup:

[LTR]

152. If he were my pastor, I'd go to church more often

Whether you agree with him or not, the guy's good.

I have never seen a Catholic priest that energetic. The ones I've always gotten were the religious equivalent of Ambien.

[walkingdude]

177. Are you and idiot

Then you sir must be an idiot and a bigot.

[LTR]

179. And you and idiot as well

And you smell funny. Nya nya.

[ampad]

153. LOL,LOL,LOL,LOL

Oh shit! I just heard it for the first time on Randi! I'm sorry, it was funny as hell, kind of reminded me of the late Richard Pryor. Whatever, Hilly fans, the truth hurts don't it! "I'm white, I'm a Clinton, I'm entitled! :rofl:

[progetto]

154. Pfleger is funny, but also ridiculous.

It's the entitlement bit that's right on.

[Cha]

158. The m$$$fm gets all rabid over the guest speaker

riffin' on hilary but when gerry ferraro goes on Faux and spews racist shit..not a fucking peep?

And the hypocritical, faux outragers, here, who support geraldine's shit but are oh so attacking Obama with their teeth bared are as transparent as hilary's motives.

[Swamp Rat]

159. I'd enjoy talking with him over a few beers.

"OH, THE OUTRAGE!" :rofl:

[hulka38]

164. As a staunch Obama supporter I think this post is wrong and not helpful

Pfleger must be a moron or an egomaniac for drawing negative attention to Obama's church at this time.

[Critters2]

166. It is possible to be both a moron and an egomaniac.

Some people can multi-task!!

[terrya]

174. I think Father Pfleger is an asshole for doing that.

I cringed when I saw that.

[JoFerret]

176. Duly noted.

.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

180. You Would.

:dunce:

[Irishonly]

181. He needs to keep it out of any church

I thought it was funny but he has no right to bring politics into church. The founding fathers believed in separation of church and state for everyone. You can't excuse it because it was pro Obama. BTW, I don't think it was sexist, condescending as Hades and if I were a Hillary supporter I would be mad.

[Carrieyazel]

183. Is Trinity United a church or are they turning into a comedy club?

Pflegler's act has pushed Obama's negatives up instantaneously. I saw it on 4 different local newscasts and it played over and over again. Hillary supporters are angered, McCain's crowd is in temporary glee because it entirely blotted out McCain's bad day on the campaign.

This can't be good.

[spoony]

184. Certainly sweet of him to threaten the tax exempt status of his hosts.

"with friends like these..."

[Voltaire99]

186. Obama's a wimp. Pfleger's hilarious!

Great shtick. Loved every minute of it. Is it possible he's the most enjoyable religious figure in America?

And yes, I understand Obama's game of trying to avoid awakening middle Amerikka's inner Klansman. But that's futile. Just look at the Hillary mob, slavering to bolt to McCain...

How much more of his soul is he willing to yield to the dictates of slobocracy?