Will Rev. Pfleger end Hillary's chance at V.P.?

[hokies4ever]

Here's my unique perspective on the this latest pastor issue. First, I think that it's clear that Pfleger's remarks won't scare away enough superdelegates from Obama and to Hillary Clinton, judging by how the Rev. Wright flap panned out, which was more serious than this Pfleger controversy. Maybe she'll gain an extra 10 or 20 or so supers because of this (being rather generous too, in my opinion), but she's just too deep in a delegate hole to just rely on Pfleger's remarks to get her the nomination. That being said, it appears that Pfleger's remarks make it less likely there will be a joint ticket. So the subset of Obama supporters who think that he will crush McCain in the general even with this controversy and loathe Hillary and don't want her on the ticket can see a slim silver lining with these comments.

I just find it rather interesting that this Obama controversy might be what tips the scales to keep Hillary from getting the V.P. position. Politics has so many layers. :patriot:

[polichick]

1. Her comments last weekend seemed like enough.

[Vinca]

2. I'm afraid the guest pastor only vocalized what many were thinking.

The only question in my mind is who released the tape. Was it the Clinton campaign before the rules committee meeting or the Repukes trying to steer the conversation away from Scotty?

[mac2]

4. What you are thinking not all.

It's wrong don't you see that regardless of which politican it is.

[hokies4ever]

5. Is it wrong, of course it is

too bad that has nothing to do with my original question. Do the comments for this pastor hurt Hillary's chance at a joint ticket? I think the answer is yes.

[mac2]

3. Rev. Pfleger is showing his racism for Obama.

His politicking does not belong in a house of worship. His mocking of a woman is just bad manners. He should lose his tax free exemption.

He is probably not the only black clergy using his status to influence his members for Obama.

What if white clergy in their churches mocked Obama? That's what people will think even some of his own members.

He could lose members over it. If he's found to have done it a lot...his tax free status.

It would be political suicide for Hillary to become VP. She'd have more power in the Senate.

[Teaser]

7. THE YANKEES FUCKING SUCK.

If you're a Yankees fan, do you really think you can prove otherwise?

They blow. Admit it and be free.

[hokies4ever]

8. Actually, your prejudice and racism is showing

"He is probably not the only black clergy using his status to influence his members for Obama."



Well, his clothes are black. :rofl:

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

9. "black clergy"? He's white!

Don't try to pretend that this kind of politicking doesn't take place in all kinds of churches all across the country. I don't necessarily agree with what Pfleger said, but I don't see why Obama is somehow responsible.

[mac2]

20. They had him on the radio. I wasn't talking about his

color but using his power in black churches for Obama.

[hokies4ever]

24. non-blacks are in that church as well

but I guess they don't count. :rofl:

[mac2]

25. Percentage wise no.

But you are right...it is a mixed congregation but the radio labelled it as black.

[hokies4ever]

26. Well if the radio labeled it as black

then who am I to argue with a radio? :rofl:

[mac2]

31. According to the local Chicago news it was Obama's church.

Could this be the first chruch to run a candidate for President? They certainly are rich enough. This is not a getto church in the black community.

[hokies4ever]

51. "Obama's lucky to be a black man in that church"

I told you about skipping your meds Geraldine. :rofl:

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

71. Yeah, there's a bunch of gazillionaires in that church.

And Obama is just their pawn. :eyes:

You do know how ridiculous you sound, right?

[mac2]

74. They have members like Obama and Oprah.

It's huge wealthy church whose retired minister lives in a mansion for god sake.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

77. And having a few wealthy individuals out of thousands of members makes them a "wealthy" church

Clearly you have never been on the south side of Chicago.

And, yeah, they have been grooming Obama for the presidency for the past 20 years. :rofl:

[mac2]

78. Certainly at least middle class and wealthy

Lots of "wanna beas"? I live in the Chicago area.

[catgirl]

12. I recall Bill Clinton visiting a string of churches while campaigning

Chelsea too. I agree politics and church shouldn't be mixed together, but
that goes for everyone involved.

[hokies4ever]

17. Bill had his 'Come to Jesus' meeting after the Lewinsky scandal

Politicians seem to always use the church institution to help them out.

[mac2]

21. It's wrong and he knows it.

Those churches should lose their tax exemption. Now all the churches do it which violates the separation of church and state. Both parties have engaged in "religious cronyism" for votes.

[Darth_Kitten]

15. It does appear that way.

n/t

[Zodiak]

29. Pfleger is white

so your "Black clergy" using his status to influence his members for Obama line is dead wrong

He's also Catholic

[chascarrillo]

36. Looks like you slipped up there, mac.

:rofl:

[mac2]

40. Or the news.

Thanks for the correction.

It was Obama's church and the reverand was from his campaign. The voice, news, etc. was misleading.

[hokies4ever]

43. "The voice...was misleading."

Reminds me of the O.J. Simpson trial. "Did he sound like a black man?" :rofl:

[mac2]

46. He may have.

He may have changed his voice for the audience.

[chascarrillo]

48. Holy shit! Just dig yourself a deeper hole, what don't you?

"It was Obama's church and the reverand was from his campaign. The voice, news, etc. was misleading."

:wtf:

:wtf:

:wtf:

[mac2]

52. You already corrected me.

[chascarrillo]

53. And I am now ignoring your racist ass.

[hokies4ever]

59. LOL!

:rofl:

[mac2]

63. You are the racist...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/29/obama-pastor-michael-pfle_n_104224.html

I'll see if I can find his speech for your "ass".

[chascarrillo]

64. Yeah. That's right. I'm the racist.

[mac2]

72. You assume everyone is racist

I voted for Obama the first time. I support the Black Progressives for Congress. I bought Conyers book. I supported Cynthia McKinney.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

6. I'm still trying to figure out what Pfleger has to do with Obama at all

What, now Obama is responsible for anything anyone says about him at his church, even if he wasn't there? Nonsensical.

[hokies4ever]

10. Pfleger used to be on Obama's Catholics for Obama Committee

but resigned from that spot two weeks ago. Seems like there's a ton of different committees if you ask me.

[Enrique]

13. sure he's somewhat responsible for his supporters

it's the same with any politician, if a supporter says something in your name, you might be expected to say whether or not it really represents you.

[mac2]

35. Especially since they are both from his campaign.

Reverand Wright and Pfleger were both part of the Obama campaign.

[my3boyz]

62. He wasn't a part of his "campaign" when he made the remarks. I thought

they said he just made the remarks on Sunday?

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

73. Right, which is why Obama immediately denounced him.

Unlike, say, Hillary, who waited days to say anything after Ferraro's racist comments.

[Enrique]

79. I'm not fighting

y'all can exhaust yourselves if you like, turning everything into Obama is great/Hillary sucks, but I'm not playing along.

[billyoc]

11. No, she's a downticket chainsaw massacre.

She would never have been in the running for VP.

[Darth_Kitten]

14. Why is Obama saying nothing about this? Well?

Does he take a decided stance on anything?

[globalvillage]

16. He did

Obama released a statement this afternoon saying he was "deeply disappointed" in Father Pfleger.

"As I have traveled this country, I've been impressed not by what divides us, but by all that unites us. That is why I am deeply disappointed in Father Pfleger's divisive, backward-looking rhetoric, which doesn't reflect the country I see or the desire of people across America to come together in common cause," Obama said in a statement first posted by the Chicago Sun Times.

Pfleger issued this response: "I regret the words I chose on Sunday. These words are inconsistent with Senator Obama's life and message, and I am deeply sorry if they offended Senator Clinton or anyone else who saw them."

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/29/obama_again_apologizes_for_a_p.html

[rodeodance]

39. Obama continues with his new Pastor Moss who invites hate speech!!

[mac2]

45. Could this be the first candidate who is run by a church

group for public office? Or they support him like the Catholics did Kennedy? It is wrong whoever it is.

[hokies4ever]

18. Just because the pro-Hillary blogs don't cover Obama's response

don't think that his campaign hasn't made one. :rofl:

[shaniqua6392]

19. But is Obama's church filled with racists?

That is the question that white America will be asking. I don't care what color Rev. Pfleger is. He was pandering to the blacks in that church who sound like they are sexist and racist. Obama's affiliation with this church is questionable to many voters. We should be more worried about that than whether or not Hillary will VP. The Rev. Pfleger story was the top story on all of the network morning shows and cable shows today.

[mac2]

23. The story is that his supporters are trashing Hillary in their

churches.

The religious organizations want Obama also since he supports them getting more public tax dollars (religious cronyism). There is a religious war in this country started by Reagan. Follow the money.

[IsItJustMe]

22. I think you are kind of screwy to begin with to think this is a real controversy. It's a Hillary

Fuax news outrage.

[mac2]

27. The real story is that politics don't belong in churches of

any race or type regardless of candidate.

[JTFrog]

30. No the real story is that RELIGION DOESN'T BELONG IN OUR POLITICS.

I'll take the Constitution for $2000 Alex.

[mac2]

32. Agreed.

For you who believes this election is no change.

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_2912.shtml

[chascarrillo]

37. Churches shouldn't advocate for peace? For social justice? For the poor?

That's depressing.

[mac2]

38. Ya but don't put a politicans name on it.

Or run one for public office with your religious agenda.

[chascarrillo]

41. What's in a name?

I mean, saying "yeah, it's okay to talk politics, but don't use any names!" is really a rather bizarre line in the sand to draw.

Religious organizations have always been a force for political advocacy. Banning them from doing so would make us a lot poorer.

[mac2]

49. Money for their coffers.

[hokies4ever]

50. You have any proof of church corruption here?

Or do you just enjoy smearing everybody with broad prejudicial assumptions?

[mac2]

56. The church is being investigated by the IRS because of

complaints. They will judge that.

I just don't think government and campaigns belong in any church. I'm not going to list the dangers. You can go to the Americans United for Church and State site and read it yourself.

[hokies4ever]

60. That was already debunked a while ago

read up about it then feel free to reject and denounce your own ignorance.

[mac2]

75. Not in the eyes of the IRS and some angry church members.

[hokies4ever]

28. I don't think that it's a 'real' controversy, but

I don't have creative control over MSNBC, CNN, FOX News, etc. They will try to make this a story. I heard that FOX News has been pastorbating about this non-stop.

[bigtree]

33. so, now you're taking the position that this pastor's remarks help Obama

. . . because his outbursts will have a negative effect on Clinton's chances to be VP?

How sleazy. Leverage whatever bullshit you want. It's still bullshit.

[mac2]

34. Every pastor thinks he has power but he does not.

People outside his speaking range already decided who they support, etc.

[hokies4ever]

42. NEVER said that this pastor's remarks help Obama

just that they could make it more difficult for a 'dream ticket'. Sounds like you are saying that a 'dream ticket' would hurt Obama. :rofl:

[mac2]

58. Certainly didn't help Hillary or did it?

[rodeodance]

44. so you claim Pfleger basically calling Hillary a white supremist will help Obama?? what a bunch of

crap.


What happened is just a continuation of Obama attending a church who invites people who spread hate!!

[hokies4ever]

47. Why do you assume that making it difficult for Hillary to be a V.P. is helping Obama?

Hmmm...sounds like you're suggesting that Obama is better off choosing someone other than Hillary as V.P.

*checkmate* :rofl:

[rodeodance]

54. I do not assume it makes that. Fact is -Obama now has twice to denouce hate

speech at the church he attends. This does not bode will for Obama.

[chascarrillo]

57. Explain how it was "hate speech", si vous plait.

I don't think you understand what the term means.

[hokies4ever]

61. I call your hate speech and raise you Hillary's murder of Vincent Foster

:rofl:

[rodeodance]

68. There is no discussion from your posts. Just mockery and foolishness. bye.

[hokies4ever]

69. I'm sorry, did I spoil your attempt to ruin my thread?

:rofl:

[chascarrillo]

55. "White supremist?" But I thought you'd be fine with Hillary on the Supreme Court...

:shrug:

[hokies4ever]

70. LOL!

:rofl:

[highplainsdem]

65. He's much more likely to end Obama's chances of winning in November.

And he just made it much MORE necessary that Obama extend an olive branch and show respect to Hillary and her supporters.

I can't believe his supporters here don't realize how damaging that video is to Obama, and how bad it makes his church look. And it doesn't matter that Pfleger was giving a guest sermon. It's still Obama's church, and his fellow parishioners were thrilled by Pfleger's insane ranting, and Pfleger is a long-time friend and adviser of Obama's.

If this had happened a few months ago, the primary race would have been over long before this and Hillary would be the clear winner. Coming at this time, it's just going to hurt the Democratic party's chances in the GE.

[rucky]

66. Baffling. n/t

[TexasObserver]

67. She had no chance for VP before, and this doesn't change that.

No impact on that issue.

[mac2]

76. Does she even want it?