I don't know any women who support Hillary.

[TheZug]

Actually that's not entirely true--my wife's aunt supports her.

But that's it. Not my wife, her sister, her mother, my mother, or ANY of the women I know and work with--that I know of, anyway.

There are plenty of Obama stickers in the parking lot where I work. A few Kerry ones still. And unfortunately, some W ones. No Hillary.

Obviously Hillary has support, and my experience is anecdotal--but this meme that all Democratic women are "angry and bitter" because "sexism" has prevented her from women is Simply. Not. True.

I don't doubt that some are angry and bitter.

The ones I know were against her from the start. Ardent Democratic women. Life-long Democratic women.

My wife majored in women's studies in college. She's no shrinking violet. She's no Dixiecrat. She was for Obama from the beginning. She was against Hillary primarily for her calculating vote for the Iraq War. But mainly she was for Obama.

Yes, this is only one experience. But it's a real one. The idea that all liberal women everywhere are somehow injured because of Hillary's supposed treatment just ain't so. There are many women, and men, and blacks, and whites, who are very enthusiastic supporters of Barack Obama.

[Kittycat]

1. I don't personally know any either.

The ones I know are all supporting Obama. In all honesty - I don't know anyone supporting Clinton.

[april]

2. I am not a Hillary supporter & was not from the beginning

[Lugnut]

48. Me either.

My daughter wasn't. My sister wasn't nor was her daughter.

[ccharles000]

3. My mom supports Hillary.

[roguevalley]

60. no one I know supports her. I got a nifty obama t-shirt from a gal

who supports obama who I was sure would be a hilly girl.

[Mooney]

4. Neither do I.

And that's across every demographic --- white, black, old, young, you name it.

[Growler]

16. Same here!

nt

[frickaline]

5. I'm a white woman, Wellesley grad, living in Mass - perfect demographic for Hillary

Yet I was never really able to get behind her. I actually felt guilty for some time that I couldn't find my way to supporting my "fellow sister". I doubt my experience is uncommon.

[Cha]

46. Now you know..you needed have

felt guilty at all.

[yellerpup]

6. I know two.

One is 74, the other is 90 and they are voting for her because she is a woman. They are also in OK, where Sen. Clinton won in the primary earlier this year. They know it as well as I do that OK is not going to turn Blue this fall. Two NY women who are leaning Hillary and voted for her in the primary will vote for the Democratic candidate no matter who it is.

I know 2 Republican women (81, 64) and one Independent (66) who are voting for Obama.

Me, I can't wait to vote for Change and Hope! GObama!

Edited to post my own preference.

[ErinBerin84]

7. I don't know any Clinton supporters in "real life" either

That's why I have a few of the more antagonistic ones here on ignore. It's not really because I don't want to engage in dialogue with them, it's just that I don't want to let my caricatured vision of a few of her supporters on the internet prevent me from voting for her (if I have to) if by some miracle she becomes the nominee. I remember at the start of this particular political season, being really careful when I brought up the subject of Hillary Clinton around my female friends (I think that the Gloria Steinem article, as dumb as it is, made me really paranoid about being accused of being a traitor to my gender), but once we started talking, we had exactly the same reservations about Hillary Clinton. Has anyone read that book that came out recently, essays by women about their connections and thoughts on Hillary Clinton? It's a mixture of positive and negative reactions by female writers to Hillary Clinton, and I would be interested to read it. I also think that the MSM is salivating at the thought of getting "angry women" at the protest tomorrow, when I would assume that it would be a mixture of all of her constituencies.

[OzarkDem]

45. Welcome to DU

How long have you been involved in politics and women's issues?

You seem to be in the minority of women voters, how is that?

[elfin]

8. Only my sister - no other relatives

or women friends are for her.

I, too, am in Hillary's supposed demographic. I don't get it.

My sister is a bit of a bitter woman who feels shorted in life (even though that isn't true). Maybe Hillary gets the "bitter" vote.

[TheZug]

9. And the women I have talked to about this see little evidence of sexism.

They only see a candidate who made many missteps and was ultimately overmatched by a better candidate.

[CakeGrrl]

51. Same here

All the women in my 'inner circle' are for Obama; I've been for him all along, but Hillary truly lost us all with her campaign tactics. I really hate how she's cloaking herself in some sort of feminist martyrdom to deflect the fact that she really lost because of her own campaign's arrogance and poor planning.

[barack the house]

10. I personally do not blame all women for Hillary she is an entitiy to herself. Women will still..

progress regardless of Hillary no matter how she spins it. The story Hillary trys to tell is women won't make it without Hillary, well that is a misunderstanding of, independent women, on its own.

Can women get ahead without Hillary in office, yes they can.

[LucyParsons]

11. I am a 20something feminist and I only know two women who supported her

One of my friends, a 30 year old lawyer, and my supervisor, a 50something single mom.

All the other women I know support Obama, including all my other friends, my mother, who despises Hillary, and my boyfriend's mother and stepmother.

[pnwmom]

12. Interesting, but so what. Obviously, millions of women do support her. n/t

[TheZug]

14. Sure, but the current meme is that all Democratic women are outraged.

[NashVegas]

21. Not If You Read This Forum

We get "Women for Obama" and "Women against Hillary" threads 8 days a week and have right from the start of the campaign.

[pnwmom]

34. I haven't seen that meme much around here. n/t

[BklynChick]

13. me neither.

[Arugula Latte]

15. The only one I know is my sister (talk about low information voter) and

a couple of the moms at my kids' school. Other than that, solid Obama, including my women's studies degree-holding niece.

[littlebit]

17. Lets see

I know a few. My mother, me, three aunts, my grandmother. I am sure there are more.

[Beacool]

18. Then you must lead an isolated life.

There are millions of women who support Hillary.

:shrug:

[ErinBerin84]

23. of course there are millions of women who support Hillary

The OP is not a denial of that. And I don't think it's neccesarily proof that any people who don't know women who support Hillary lead "isolated lives". Part of the reason why I like posting here is because I don't really know any Hillary supporters in my personal life, and I like to have some form of interaction with them. I wouldn't think it's odd if an African American said that, even though demographics would suggest that they would support Obama, all or most of the African Americans that they know support Hillary Clinton.

[Arkansas Granny]

19. I'm a woman who supports Hillary and I know others who do also.

[JuniperLea]

20. I know several

I don't trust either candidate and can't wait for this all to be over so we can start pressing whomever wins to do the job they are promising now.

[shayes51]

22. Let me introduce myself.

[gateley]

50. .....

:)

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

24. I demand proof of Clinton support!

Prove it!

Video of voting!

With multiple camera angles!

A thumbprint would be helpful!

Blood even better!

Don't forget witnesses! EYE witnesses!

Plus a childhood testimonial!

I also demand a track record!

Paper trail! Paper trail!

A face-to-face meeting would also alleviate some of my fears!

Possibly a lie-detector test...

A CPA wouldn't hurt...

Palm reader...

What's that thingamajiggy that locates water?...? Dowsing?...?

[LisaM]

25. Every woman in my family supports Hillary

and, surprisingly, we are not a bunch of uneducated, poverty-stricken racists. Go figure.

[TBF]

26. This 41-year old dem female is voting for Obama.

As a "latte liberal", I actually see a different divide. Many women, and especially many over 50, really did experience extreme sexism and want to see a female in the role. You've got to admit she's a hell of a lot smarter than George Bush. It really annoys me that someone like Bush could be president while so many more qualified women and men were pushed aside. It seems though, that the divide is more along the lines of race and income. Many traditional blue-collar men and women are supporting Hillary, perhaps because she was at Bill's side when he fought for them. I'm not a big fan of the Clintons but there are many out there who are. In this election year, however, Barack Obama came along and he is the type of inspirational leader one is lucky to see in their lifetime, in my view. He is inclusive at a time when the country needs healing, and more liberal - which is also sorely needed to balance things out after 8 years of fasicm. I'm willing to forego my tax cuts to get someone like Obama in office. We will be a better and stronger country when he is in charge.

[OzarkDem]

42. ,,

:boring:

[TBF]

49. Well while you are sleeping your buddy McCain will be taking away

everything you have. I wonder if you'll be able to sleep then? Good luck with that approach.

[habitual]

52. asleep at the keyboard?

that explains a lot.

[Lilith Velkor]

27. No, you just know one who will admit it

What happened to Hillary is an example to all Democratic women, one that has been heeded.

A unity ticket would shore up the party's oh-so-exploitable vulnerability, but the screaming mimi spoiled brats won't have it. Such is life.

[VotesForWomen]

28. this is why the O campaign is called a cult; hill's got almost 1/2 the votes, and you don't know a s

single woman who supports her? what does that tell you? the circle you're moving in is a tiny lttle Obama cocoon.

[PoliticalAmazon]

29. I do. They are my good friends, too. We don't talk politics anymore...

and it's weird to have to block off such a significant portion of our lives.

They are both white, >60 yrs old.

I think differently of them now, because she supports Hillary and her Bush/Rove tactics.

Sigh....

[casus belli]

30. Her direct appeal to women has turned off many of the women in my family

My wife has said she finds it insulting that she should be expected to support a woman based solely on the fact that she is a woman herself. I can see her point, but I'm staying safely out of it anyway. I think the denunciation should come from women, where it actually has some validity. As a male, I'm not really inclined to speak to this in public myself for risk of appearing insensitive or chauvinistic.

[VotesForWomen]

33. and O's not appealing directly to blacks; the fact that 90% are voting for him is pure coincidence,

or testament to their superior wisdom and ability to discern who is the best candidate.

[casus belli]

36. I challenge you to find one single instance

of Obama appealing to African American voters to vote for him because he's African American. Hillary has largely gotten away with it unchallenged. Why not just own that and deal with it rather than trying to find a comparable fault in Obama which doesn't exist?

[VotesForWomen]

55. show me one instance where hillary has asked anyone to vote for her because she's a woman.

besides, you didn't address what i said, which is that clearly AAs are practicing race-based voting, whether O asked them to or not.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

47. Yes. nt

[Raine]

54. How about a link

to the supposedly "direct appeal" to blacks.

[VotesForWomen]

56. back at you. nt

[indimuse]

31. oh... ok...

lol...! c'mon...share!





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=749-elAOBFE

[La Lioness Priyanka]

32. all women i know support hillary beside an aunt of mine in long island

(non du women that is)

[azmouse]

35. The women in my family like Obama.

[FrenchieCat]

37. My 69 year old White mom, my 70 year old white aunt, and everyone

that I know support Obama. In fact, the majority of folks are know are more than just a little pissed at Hillary. One friend asked me.......What does she think she's doing?

[grannylib]

38. I personally don't know any Clinton supporters either; most of the

women I know are supporting Obama; a couple are Ron Paul supporters, and I suspect a couple of the women in the office are McSame supporters, since they were ardent Busheviks, although maybe they've come to their senses in the last 7 years.
My 87 year old mom, my 87 year old MIL, all my sisters in law (except my brother's wife; she's a rePuke just like my brother) are Obama supporters. (Oh, one other sister in law is a fundie lunatic; she's a Bushbot and is probably a McSame supporter.)
I know a lot of women who were Kucinich or Edwards supporters originally; my guess is that's why most are now in the Obama camp - it's the war issue for them, primarily.

[Diane R]

39. I didn't know any, either, until last weekend. My very angry, man-hating neighbor loves Hillary.

[OzarkDem]

41. No profile, either

So how long have you been paying attention to women's issues? Last week? Last month?

[VotesForWomen]

57. lemme guess, she's a racist too, right? yeah, that song it getting a little old. nt

[OzarkDem]

40. Welcome to DU

Seems most all the posters here are new folks, and new to women's issues and politics, too.

[Shae]

43. My mom and my sister. . .

and at least as recently as a couple of weeks ago my sister still talked like Hillary had a good chance at the nomination.

[Cha]

44. I knew one here in New York before hilary got

outed for her Bosnian Sniper story and that's what it took for her to see what hilary is.

[Raine]

53. Not personally. The only ones I know of are some here in DU.

The women I know personally are for Obama or they are reTHUGs who are McCain supporters. I know some men who are for Hillary because they are hoping that Bill will be the real power.

[Imagevision]

58. Ricky martin is for Hillary but thats because he hasn't a clue as to who she is...

[quaker bill]

59. Both Hillary supporters I know

are white men. Both of these men do not seem racist personally, but do seem honestly concerned that the nation will not elect a black man. Four years ago, this could have made sense. At that point, about half of the country still mistakenly saw the republicans as generally competent. In that context, the small number of votes the polling suggests will be decided on racial preference, could have thrown the race.

At this point, electing another stupid republican, regardless of complexion, will be a very tough sell.

As far as this is concerned, I think electing any woman to the office would have been quite tough in 2004 as well.

The point being that Bush's incompetence has been sufficiently profound and abundantly clear at this point to outweigh the vast bulk of prejudice and sexism. When we win, and we no doubt will, with either of these candidates, one thing will be clear, only through Bush being the utter a**hole he is, did any of this become possible. Of course, arrogance and stupidity were the dependable things about Bush.

[AZBlue]

61. I knew one. She swtiched to Obama about a month and a half ago.

She actually voted for Clinton in our primary and had been supporting her - until Clinton disgusted her by her actions and comments and Obama won her respect and support by his actions and words.

[nadinbrzezinski]

62. My sis does, because it is time for a woman to be president

she is FAR from a political junkie... and she will vote Obama come november.

[jbm]

63. Ironically, I don't know any who don't

That may be a combination of geography and our particular associations, but it should remind both of us not to judge political reality based on our personal experiences.