The Father Pfleger Story has No Legs.

[MadBadger]

First of all, this sad crane story is dominating the news and probably will dominate it for a little longer. Then tomorrow here is the RBC meetings which will set the agenda for the media come Monday, as well as the results in Puerto Rico, and getting ready for another set of primaries on Tuesday. There is a lot happening in the next four days or so to be focusing on a stupid thing said by Father Pfleger.

[H2O Man]

1. It's a non-story.

It's only significance is that it shows how little those who oppose Obama have.

[bridgit]

6. hahahahaha, it shows how paper thin, even transparent/histrionic Obama's faith is imo

[SoonerPride]

15. meh, we all know he's a secret Muslim anyways.

doncha know?

[bridgit]

56. Convert to Islam or die a heretic, that is your only choice...or is it?

[Yukari Yakumo]

65. Gazing into your future....

[bridgit]

70. What did I *tell* you punk!

[JoFerret]

73. Charming

.

[JVS]

18. You can judge his faith by the statements of a priest from a different denomination and parish

Wow!

[bridgit]

24. Beware false prophets, even the ones that preach before your candidate...

If you are not able to discern twixt things of great import...I'd like to engage you in several rounds of 'find the lady'. Bring all your money, as you will soon be parted from it.

:spray:

[JVS]

28. Pfleger has made prophecies now?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

48. Why yes, and he's made them 'twixt' things.

When a poster uses words like 'twixt' that means they are very smart and perceptive. :rofl:

[JVS]

49. and to think I was mistaking it for incoherent ranting

[bridgit]

54. for incoherent ranting i always turn to menthol smoking Obama supporters...

it's the Brand New World Order get with the program or die trying :thumbsup:

[bridgit]

53. Ooooh, thus spake "thecatburgler"

whatever dude'r :thumbsup:

[JoFerret]

74. 'tween you and me

I twink not

[Cha]

80. Not really..the poster just thinks

their shit don't stink.

[Name removed]

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[AZ Criminal JD]

79. He is a long time Chicago ally of Obama

[H2O Man]

25. Gracious.

It would be a short-cut to logical thinking to assume that one person's dislike of Senator Clinton defines all Obama supporters' reasons for supporting him. Such an error in thinking is easily refuted. On DU alone, we see a wide range of reasons that people support the Obama campaign.

For an easy example that illustrates differences in views, I will use a phone conversation I had with a good friend earlier this week. A woman I have known for decades called, and one of the things she said was that she thinks Hillary Clinton's campaign shows that she is selfish, and that she only cares about herself. Now, I disagree. However, I would never "reject" my friend, a Native American we consider our local clan mother. Instead, I corrected her.

Senator Clinton is a good and powerful politician. Like all people -- including Obama, you, and I -- she has a good side and a bad side. But she is certainly does not only care about herself. One of her greatest strengths is that she really cares about people, as evidenced by her advocacy for health care. All democrats should respect that.

My dear friend agreed that I was correct. She recognized that she is simply tired of the primary contest, and was becoming prone to seeing things in simple terms. That, too, is an error in thinking.

I told her that I am convinced that losing this primary contest to Obama will actually result in Hillary Clinton becoming a stronger individual, and a greater leader. You and others may disagree with me, but I do not think that what I said is either transparent or histrionic.

[DeschutesRiver]

37. A sincere question

because I tend to agree with your friend's position.

What do you think of Hillary, both in her own words and via her campaign staffers, continually asking Sen. Obama to reject his friends, campaign staffers, pastors, etc, when they express opinions that Sen. Clinton either disagrees with or finds objectionable in some way? In fact, making a big campaign issue out of things like this is selfish, because it is being done to the extremes we are seeing to further her chances of winning personally. Not because the rest of us who are freaked out about jobs, gas, the environment, and war care to keep hearing about, say Rev. Wright, or other side issues that are important only to obtain votes for Sen. Clinton.

I agree more with the way you handled this with your friend who has an opposing viewpoint/opinion, ie not rejecting. However, that is not Senator Clinton's way.

[H2O Man]

40. I have found

some of her and her campaign's tactics offensive. I understand that campaigns are not tickling contests, but I think that her campaign crossed the line several times. Those are, of course, the areas where I am confident that she will reassess after she drops out next week. Losing a contest like this puts individuals in a strange place: even if you are surrounded by family and friends, you are alone when you process what happened. Defeat can do one of two things -- make you weaker, or stronger. I think she is a strong enough person to have this make her stronger.

[DeschutesRiver]

47. Understood.

I fall to the other side of the fence, in that I don't find her strong at all. In the past, I assumed she was strong, and I assumed she was very smart.

During this campaign, I saw a bitter, insecure individual with an overwhelming sense of mere entitlement to her ambitions. A person who threatened to obliterate foreign countries who might step out of line during her presidency - I use that as one of the stronger examples that made me reassess my earlier views that she was a strong individual. A person who has not to date admitted that any of her actions or statements were mistakes - I don't see a particularly reflective or flexible person. A person who makes up rules after the fact to justify her wants and needs. And so on - if someone described a presidential candidate this way without using the name Hillary Clinton, I'd say whoever it was had deep enough character flaws to render them unfit for holding the office of CIC. And that is aside from campaign tactics, which agreed can include rough stuff - I have no objection to that, as the person will be CIC in a rough, big old world. Being president isn't for sissies.

I do believe that people can change; so there is always hope that a defeat will make her go deep to understand how to overcome her character challenges. Time will tell if she is capable of or even interested in going deep.

[bridgit]

60. There but for The Grace Of God go I...

[beachmom]

31. Wow, you're attacking Obama's faith? What does his faith have to do with it?

That is a very personal thing, for which you cannot possibly know what the hell you are talking about.

[bridgit]

52. Obama's "faith"? Are you serious? Has he expressed it as yet?

Or are you pleased with the lack of the expression of it? Spoken as a true Obamaphile :thumbsup:

[amandabeech]

57. It's the company that Obama keeps, not his particular beliefs,

of which he has not informed us in detail.

[bridgit]

62. Not in the least for to do so he knows w/a quickness would preclude him from the oval office ergo?

:hide:

[amandabeech]

64. I'm not clear as to the meaning of your comment. n/t

[bridgit]

69. Neither is Obama's true position on a host of matters beyond sales positioning clear

We have been at this process for months on end watching Obama wave & smile with a face full of teeth from the midst of the pom-pom waving mascots of university gymnasiums filled with cheerleaders all jumping & shilling...

In the nitty gritty of it all still no questions are asked in earnest, in fact people that do are excommunicated from, in many cases, thought itself,

Who are the brain police, where are the thought crimes truly? The new & improved sins of omission? If not here before your very eyes working through their various facets of hypocrisy. Will you know them when you see them?

[amandabeech]

77. Okay. You're saying that no one asks him hard questions and no on

really knows who he is?

If that's what you're saying, I agree with you.

Why he shares so little of himself and, perhaps, who is counseling him to do so are excellent questions.

[Cha]

50. Oh, you're the judge of

that?

[bridgit]

55. Yes. I should change my screen name to The Empress Of All Pt II

thank you for your input :patriot:

[K Gardner]

13. It certainly seems to be a "story" on DU. I can't see much of anything else here, which

is a shame that these threads keep getting responded to and kicked.

[MadBadger]

22. WE respond to what we see covered by the MSM

[my3boyz]

2. Hope you are right! You can never tell about the media! I can't believe

they are actually covering actual NEWS on MSNBC!

[ShortnFiery]

8. That's because we sometimes CONFUSE the power elite cable TV M$M as real news.

:shrug:

I hope that if we are blessed with a President Obama that one of his first acts is to do what's necessary to REGULATE the M$M. Five or Six people making all our TV news programming decisions is UN-SAT. No wonder there's no diversity. Just "smoke and mirrors" with an inkling of credibility - but only when it does not challenge mega-corporations or the ruling political elite's status quo. :(

[amandabeech]

59. I hope that you are not advocating the regulation of speech itself.

The First Amendment protects free speech. I do not advocate any abridgment thereof except perhaps by Constitutional Amendment declaring that giving money is not the same as speech.

If you want to break up the media conglomerates on an antitrust basis, fine,
but

NO REGULATION of the CONTENT of SPEECH!!!

[Bucky]

3. Then why does it feel like Obama keeps getting knee capped by his own church?

I pray you're right. I suspect you're wrong.

[MadBadger]

5. Because they detest Hillary Clinton?

[ShortnFiery]

9. I've never seen ONE candidate get so many "passes" - "mulligans"

That "waiting around for the June assassination" Freudian Slip would have SUNK any other campaign, but not Miss. Hilly's. :crazy:

[polichick]

4. Fortunately that's true - what an pitiful excuse to go after a candidate!!!

[BklynChick]

7. it's an absurd non-story, can't see it going past today

[MadBadger]

10. You'll hear about it today, but thats it.

[kid a]

11. father who?

[VolcanoJen]

12. Isn't it amusing, the way our Awesome Liberal Media would rather pastorbate...

... than discuss Scott McClellan's indictment of their pre-war slobbering?

This Pfleger story is the dumbest story of the campaign so far. It doesn't make any sense, except to throw Clinton and her supporters spinning into Victim Mode once again.

[MadBadger]

14. I heard that Tweety doesnt give a shit about the Pfleger story and wants to talk more Scotty.

[VolcanoJen]

16. Scotty was absolutely riveting on Olbermann last night.

Scotty = Hard News.

Pastorbate 2.0 = Look-over-here distraction.

[ErinBerin84]

21. I wish Tweety would do more of a mea culpa on his own Iraq cheerleading

, but I'll still take it. He said "Well...if I have anything to do with it, my show tonight is going to be all about Mclellan again!"

[FrenchieCat]

17. So let's stop talking about it already.......

I came to DU, and most of what I see is about this guy.

Let's just not discuss this bullshit, since this is all that it is.

In fact, I will refuse to post anything else here at DU until this story is no longer the most prominent here at DU. I hope other Obama supporters do the same. As long as we talk about it, the media will as well. It is up to us........and personally, I find this pastorbating bullshit to be ridiculous and not worth talking about....especially considering that Obama, and Father whatchamacallit have apologized.

If we stop, it stops.

[TwilightGardener]

20. This is a "Let It Sink" for sure. I don't know why there are OBAMA supporters

starting threads on it, defending this wackaloon priest, either. Obama denounced the remarks, the priest apologized, it's over. Let it go, people.

[MadBadger]

23. We talk about what is in the news. And this is in the news for now.

When it isnt in the news anymore, We'll be talking about something else, and the Hillbots will be talking about it.

[K Gardner]

29. And people come here to try to find info on Obama, or the DNC meeting, or simply take

the "pulse" of the Democratic party, and all they see is thread after thread about a non-story.

Not good. It's only a "blip" in the MSM.. but here its all they'll see.

[MadBadger]

If we ignore it, it doesnt go away.

[K Gardner]

34. Actually, yes it does.

[MadBadger]

36. When I left for Amsterdam two months ago, they were just starting Reverand Wright

When I got back a week later after ignoring politics...still Reverand Wright.

[Moochy]

27. Hint: Some May be faking the funk

[WA98070]

19. Like crabs (and several other animals), it will grow legs as needed by MSM.

[Irishonly]

26. It's Sad The MSM Wants to Sensationalize

Obviously, I don't know Obama but I would bet he met the priest because of his community work. I volunteer sometimes for the same organization. Community and religious leaders work together to make a difference. Pfleger should not have said it but to keep linking him to Obama and insinuate she is being picked on is ridiculous.

[Teaser]

30. They're hardly sensationalizing

it's all Crane all the time, as far as I can see.

[Irishonly]

39. I've been up for two hours

and heard it about 10 times. Crane, church, Florida, church, crane, church

[NC_Nurse]

32. Most of this BS campaign has been about non-stories in the MSM. Can we

vote THEM out? :eyes:

[Tatiana]

33. My reaction = ******YAWN******

Is this all they have? Seriously?

I. Don't. Care.

Talk to me about the foreclosure crisis and what we are going to do about it.

Talk to me about these through the roof gas prices and what we are going to do about it.

Talk to me about our troops in Iraq and how we are going to get them out.

Talk to me about how in the hell we are going to reduce our national debt and get back to fiscal responsibility.

Talk to me about shit that matters; something that affects the lives of the average American.

[demokatgurrl]

35. Oh, just give Faux news a couple days. n/t

[ampad]

38. I think folks need to stop responding to this crap

This thread was about the story having no legs so what does ignore do? They come in here and bait folks into debating the shit and people take the bait. Come on folks, we are smarter than that and I have to disagree with you OP in regards to DU anyways. Let the Hillbots have their last and final "faux outrage" but it really is no fun if Obama supporters don't get into the conversation. If we keep bumping up their silly threads and debating them on the issue then it stays on the front. Like one poster said in this thread: folks come here to find out about simple Scottie, SD's counts and such but when you enter all you see is this "faux outrage" shit. I wish Obama supporters would stop starting threads on the issue and stop responding to such threads. Like I said, let them have their last "faux outrage" because in a couple of days this thing is over.

[crankychatter]

42. AMEN - nt

.

[crankychatter]

41. it's propoganda.. artfully timed, incendiary crap

they are capitalizing on some Left of center folk, cranky about possible injury to Obama... and possessing anti-religious sentiment... to pick this piece of crap up, and run with it

they want US to do THEIR work for them... and apparently some DUers are happy to oblige

[Dinger]

43. Whistling. . .

[ampad]

44. Did you happen to whitsle yourself out of this thread?

[2rth2pwr]

45. It's funny (in an ironic way) that there are about 20 OP's all on the front page of GDP

saying that same thing.

[anonymous171]

46. Plus he's white.

[barack the house]

51. Very true. Sounds a good assessment to me.

[amandabeech]

61. This will be the subject of a Pubbie commercial in the fall,

just like Rev. Wright.

Why this Father chose to give the Swiftboat types more footage, I really don't understand.

[anonymous171]

63. Nope. He's not black and is only insulting to HRC supporters.

[jasmine621]

66. I'm black and he was insulting to me. He may as well have put on "black face"

and danced across the stage.

[anonymous171]

68. Watch his other sermons. He always speaks like that.

[amandabeech]

67. I beg to differ.

It's not a good idea to alienate voters unnecessarily in a close election.

I'm not a Hillary supporter, and I was not happy with this development.

There are a lot of independent voters out there that we will need to attract, and from my experience, they're not happy about Rev. Wright and probably won't be happy about the Father.

I hope that you're right, but I'm not betting on it.

[amandabeech]

78. I was insulted and I'm not and have never been a Hillary supporter.

You assume far too much about folks who don't agree with you.

Really, you and many other Obama supporters need to get out more.

As to Father Pfleger, perhaps it would be more accurate to say that his performance may offend voters who are not Obama supporters.

[smalll]

71. Oh it will have legs. Small, little legs to be sure - just another pair of legs on the caterpillar-

following along from Wright at TUCC, Wright at the NAACP, Wright at the NPC, Michelle who's never been proud, Michelle's Princeton thesis, Bomber Ayers, etc. etc.

[sunonmars]

72. You really are thicker than i gave you credit for.

[JoFerret]

75. Fine on the no legs front

I am all for the media focusing elsewhere.
But - seriously - do all churches have such rafts of ranting hating pandering pastor creeps?

[cstanleytech]

76. Its as big a story in my opinion as Hillary mentioning RFK

or to translate it, its not a story at all unless people try to distort it in an attempt to make it one like they did with the whole kool-aid drinking RFK one.

[Carrieyazel]

81. I doubt it. The various Pfleger videos on YouTube are past half a million hits overall right now.

This has to have caused major damage.