Share your reverse racism stories (This is fair since DU is, like, 98 percent white)

[theboss]

Apparently, since we solved white on black racism in this country, the time has come to focus on black on white racism. So...share your black on white racism stories.

When were you denied a cab because you were white?
Tell how tired you are of having to vote for only black politicians.
Talk about the ugly racism in those all-black corporate boardrooms.
Tell me about watching black heroes vilified by the media.
Sick of living in all-white neighbrhoods? Talk about it.

[whistle]

1. Please explain how you know the racial composition of DU members

:yoiks:

[theboss]

2. Skinner polled us last year

We are shockingly white.

[hokies4ever]

28. Behave as if black people are watching you :-)

Obama's campaign has brought some new Democrats into the fold. I am one of them, by the way, a black man in my late 20's. I particularly don't enjoy the race obsession many people go through, so don't know what you're trying to accomplish in this thread other than to create more hate for people like me, who just want to live a normal life. :cry:

[theboss]

45. I'm trying to point holes in the absurdity on black on white racism

The black church is the ONLY institution in America where black people can actually speak the truth to each other about how they feel to be black in America.

And now Democrats are telling them that they are wrong for doing so.

[NOLALady]

48. A thread cannot create hate.

[dsomuah]

239. you would be suprised

[SeaLyons]

106. what was the percentage??

[theboss]

113. 98 percent

Found the thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1153966

[psychmommy]

129. i wonder if that has changed significantly this year.

we need another one. i don't think i was counted in that one. all votes must be counted.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

182. Funny.

Not.

[whistle]

229. It says that 86.4% are white ...looks to me like figures don't lie, but liars do figure

[Major Hogwash]

107. I wonder what the other admins thought about that.

I can't believe how many people go on-line and talk about non-whites as if they don't have computers and don't read forums.

[genna]

186. Plenty. The racial epithets are unreal.

So this is what some of you all sound like when you don't think a black person is within earshot.

:kick:

If they believe the stereotype, they think they are an island unto themselves.

[JoFerret]

241. We should probably go on national averages

even thought that is skewed by economics.

(Not to mention rendered obsolete by "racial" cross referencing)

[Saturday]

3. Reverse racism is when 92% of Blacks vote for a Black man.

Yes, I know you will say that they are voting for him because he is the best candidate. Rarely do 92% of any people agree on anything so you can't convince me it is for that reason.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

5. "Black people are racist."

Thanks for the insight, yadayadayada.

:rofl:

[theboss]

6. Is it racism when 92 percent of blacks vote for a white man? Like they did with Kerry?

Or is that ok?

And how do you explain the fact that Hillary was once leading among black voters?

[Saturday]

26. When they voted for Kerry there was no Black man in the race.

[theboss]

30. So, blacks can vote monolithicly for Dems....but not for black Dems

By your argument, shouldn't we be upset that blacks apparently are unthinking in their voting patterns?

[The Doctor.]

60. Ka-CHUNK.

Stop it... you might be making it difficult for yadayadayada to manufacture the version of reality she likes.

[CreekDog]

91. is he saying they are only racist when the candidate is black?

:crazy:

[BlooInBloo]

102. Yes, that's *precisely* what he's saying.

[Doityourself]

112. Uh yeah that's what he's saying,...and I think he's pissed off about it..lmao! Duck colored folks..

[Bucky]

202. Case in point: Lynn Swan in PA. No, wait that's not accurate. Case in point, Blackwell in Ohio.

No, wait, he lost the AfricanAmerican vote too. Gimme a second....

[theboss]

31. Also...explain why Sharpton didn't get 92 percent of the black vote

Thanks.

[knixphan]

40. thank you!

Some folks don't get it -

I've said it 1,000,000 times here. I'm a black Obama supporter who wouldn't touch Sharpton with a 1000-foot pole.

My unyielding support for Dean and Kucinich in the past is proof that I'm no 'racist voter.'

Oh, yeah, also voted for Clinton twice.

[NOLALady]

55. Maybe he's not

"Black enough".

[NatBurner]

77. it's the perm

[SeaLyons]

104. He would have if he had been a viable candidate....

He didn't have the same charisma to start the "movement" that Obama created.

[theboss]

118. So...blacks will vote overwhelmingly for "viable" black candidates

Oh, dear....they appear to exhibit some thought.

[Writer]

181. Yes... but look at it like this.

There are two candidates who are equally qualified for an office: one black and one white. If 92% of AA voters decide to choose specifically the qualified black candidate over the qualified white candidate, would that not be an exercise in homophily?

[genna]

191. What?

ho·mo·phile Audio Help /ˈhoʊməˌfaɪl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a homosexual.
–adjective
2. advocating or supportive of the interests, civil rights, and welfare of homosexuals; gay: a homophile activist organization.



How does that work?


Evidently, HRC running the race focused campaign that she did turned off the AA voters who would possibly have voted for her. My mother did vote for her.

She didn't believe HRC was doing any race baiting until she finally took it too far.

[Writer]

213. I can't believe this phrase isn't more widely used.

Homophily is a sociological term that means a kinship to people like oneself.

Here's the wikipedia listing of the term:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophily

[muryan]

209. Only if they had started at 92%

The slow creep began in Iowa, the dam broke after SC and now he continually gains support from the AA voters. She had a huge advantage in the beginning

[Raineyb]

212. The problem with your theory is that HRC was ahead in the black community

Obama did not start with the majority of the black vote. He earned it as much as HRC threw it away. HRC thought she could piss off the black community and still get their vote.

She learned the hard way that she was mistaken.

Regards

[Writer]

214. First of all, I'm chuckling at your sig.

Because I'm a bitter Gen X'er myself.

Secondly, I believe that words and intentions were placed in both of the Clinton's mouths. I think that the idea that they were being racist was stirred up in order to suck away that support.

But I'm sure you'll disagree with that.

[NOLALady]

221. Some (like me) are voting for the qualified black candidate over

the qualified white candidate who voted for the IWR.

I must admit, I could overlook her stupid racist comments before I could overlook her IWR vote.

[George_Bonanza]

139. Michael Steele, David Dinkins... all "viable" political candidates, no?

If Obama voted for the IWR (which most blacks opposed) and was just another Washington crony in a black man's body, he wouldn't get the sky-high black vote he's getting right now. He's a phenomenal candidate, and that fact that he's black is only icing on the cake.

[Raineyb]

198. I would suggest that you not speak for black voters

Because you clearly don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Black people have been voting for white candidates for as long as we've been able to vote without being killed for it. We voted close to 90% for Kerry in 2004. And now because a large number of black voters decided to vote for Obama you think it's because he's so charismatic? I don't supposed it ever crossed your tiny bigoted mind that Obama is getting 90+ of the black vote because he showed us that he is a viable candidate? You know by earning our votes?

Al Sharpton is quite charismatic and he didn't get the overwhelming number of black voters so that just puts your theory down the shitter doesn't it?

For your information, it's not the black vote that's the problem here. Black people unlike so many rural whites (like those in West Virginia and Kentucky who voted for Bush in 2004) don't consistently vote against our economic interest in order to vote for a Republican because he throws some social issue red meat our way.

So it would probably behoove you to stop talking out of your ass. It makes you look ridiculous as well as desperate.

Regards

[Doityourself]

114. What about Jesse Jackson, nationwide?

[Writer]

178. Did you know that he came in second in electoral votes at the 1984 Dem convention?

Behind Mondale. That's nothing to sneeze at.

[Bucky]

203. They had electoral votes at the 1984 Democratic Convention?

Those idiots! You're not supposed to use your electoral votes until January when the Electoral College meets. No wonder Mondale lost so badly!

[Writer]

216. Delegates... DELEGATES...

geesh!

[Doityourself]

233. But did he garner 90 to 95% of the black vote, that's the point.

[Mooney]

234. He's not black enough!

[hokies4ever]

35. there also wasn't a race-baiter in the race either like Hillary

"lucky to be a black man", "Obama just has a speech he gave in 2002", "Jesse Jackson won SC in 1984 and 1988", "white working class voter more important than black voter"

Hillary is lucky to be polling at 8% with black people after what her campaign has done. McCain might have voted against MLK day multiple times, but he at least pretends to not hate black people.

[genna]

192. what hokies4ever said

:kick:

[The Doctor.]

69. So when they overwhelmingly vote for a white guy, it's fine, but if they overwhelmingly vote for

a black guy, it's racism?

That's some nice brainwashing ya got there. Hillary44.com?

I get mine from NPR and unbiased sources whenever possible... so I have a more 'do it yourself' approach to forming opinions. But hey, there's a lot to be said for convenience, isn't there?

[LanternWaste]

86. So correct me if I'm wrong

So correct me if I'm wrong-- 92% (or however many) of African Americans voted for Kerry and that's not racism. 92% (or however many) of African American may vote for Obama and that is racism?

Is that a correct interpretation of your stance?

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

141. Pat Buchanan told them to say that. n/t

[muryan]

208. Al sharpton was in the primary race

He sure as hell didn't pull 92%

[cali]

8. no, no it's not. And you're also wrong about what I'll say.

AA voters in this country have demonstrated over and over and over again, their willingness to support white candidates. And now when they support a strong, qualified black candidate, it's racism in the minds of hillfans? Disgusting. Despicable.

[Saturday]

29. They voted for White candidates because there were no Black candidates.

Michelle said they would come around and they did.

[cali]

37. really? bullshit. AAs didn't vote for Michael Steele or

crazy Alan whatshisface. They've consistently voted for white dems over black repukes. And in any case, they've repeatedly shown that they're willing to vote for white candidates.

You can't make a case that they're racists, but that doesn't stop you from your disgusting false accusations.

[NOLALady]

67. Do you really believe that Blacks cannot think for

themselves? Insulting. Geez.

[Doityourself]

117. Yeah black folk always vote for the black man in large numbers..you're delusional and dishonest..

go study past races with black candidates in them..

[Starbucks Anarchist]

150. Then why did they vote for Kerry over Sharpton and Mosley-Braun?

[dsomuah]

172. Now THAT is a racist thing to say ...

because it paints black people as a bunch of mindless automatons who just vote for a face that looks like ours.

Plus it's not supported by facts.

Polling data shows that black people refused to vote for Michael Steele, Kevin Blackwell and Lynn Swann in 2006. These were all black people running against white candidates, but black people didn't vote for them.

You are so determined to find evidence of reverse racism that you are prepared to ignore the facts to find justification to judge all black people based on the color of their skin.

You sound like the republicans that argue that the reason blacks vote democratic all the time is because democrats are soft of crime.

People who think the way you do irritate me even more because black people as a group were very late to the party when it comes to Barack Obama. He had to win us over the way he won over most voters. Most black people didn't really start supporting Obama until after the Iowa caucuses, because they had doubts as to whether he could run a truly competitive campaign. I should know. I was one of the skeptical blacks who didn't make up my mind about backing Obama till after Iowa.

Why is it that there is always one white person out there who is convinced that any black person who accomplishes anything must have accomplished it due to some sort of reverse racism. When I was in college at one of the top engineering schools in the country I had fellow students who constantly asked me if it was affirmative action that got me there. Never mind the fact that my SAT scores were about 100 points higher than the average at the school (and more than 200 points higher than what GWB got), nope if a black person accomplishes something, let's ignore all the other facts and assume it must be that reverse racism at work again.

Are Obama's virtues as a candidate so difficult to understand that the only way you can understand his popularity with a particular demographic is to put it down to racism?

[cliffordu]

10. I smell an Italian pie coming down the pike.....

Obama was LOSING the black vote before Big Dawg ran off at the mouth.

I'm white and I'm voting for Obama. Does this make me a race traitor??

I think you might be a nice racist. But a racist nonetheless.

[Enrique]

11. I wouldn't call that racism

it's the same as that phenomenon in ethnic wards where a candidate with the right sounding name has a big advantage.

[mckeown1128]

22. Kind of how Clinton is the right sounding name to democrats? nt

[gabby garcia]

57. not so much any more. nt.

[PoliticalAmazon]

15. So reverse sexism is when the majority of women vote for a female candidate? n/t

[NatBurner]

19. your people should march on washington

let your voices be heard!

[TahitiNut]

49. Yeah. David Duke could give a speech at the base of the Washington Monument.

Yup.

:puke:

[Oak2004]

24. Hmmm... do you think if a group has a long history of oppression and a politician

tries to rally support by egging on their oppressors, they might, say, recognize friend from foe?

Remember, it was Hillary who started out with the black vote. Then she and Bill went off and lost it, as well as the votes of aware white folks like me who think race baiting is disgusting.

[knixphan]

50. seconded.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

25. You know something?

that is crazy talk.

Black people have been voting for white people forever. They are not a bunch of mindless trolls...

[nichomachus]

34. Like when 100% percent of Irish Catholics voted for Kennedy?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

56. Pat Buchanan And His Family Didn't

I doubt any people think all alike...

[TahitiNut]

41. "you can't convince me"

The close-mindedness of bigotry.

"They" are racist. Presidents Sharpton, Jackson, and Keyes would agree.
Just ignore the fact that over 70% supported Hillary in 2007.
Ignore the support for LIBERAL candidates, white or black, forever.
Keep the mantra - THEY are racist. After all, "THEY" can't be for the best candidate, can they?

:puke:
:puke:
:puke:

[NOLALady]

53. Is it also racism

when 92% of Blacks vote for a White man even if he is not the best candidate?:shrug:

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

58. I, for one, am glad that DU's resident expert on racism has chimed in on this thread.

:eyes:

[jeffrey_X]

63. bull shit

eom

[MilesColtrane]

79. Riiiiiiight....

I'm sure we all remember when Alan Keyes swept the South in '96, 2000, and 2004.

:eyes:

[CreekDog]

89. by that standard when women vote for a female candidate

it is the sexism.

unless what you are saying is ridiculous, which it is! :think:

[Turn CO Blue]

93. Al Gore received 90% of the black vote in 2000

John Kerry received 88% of the black vote in 2004

[racaulk]

94. Wow, just wow.

:wow:

[berni_mccoy]

97. 92% of DU thinks what you just said is moronic.

[SaveAmerica]

188. 92% of DU KNOWS what he just said is moronic

[Starbucks Anarchist]

127. Are they voting against Hillary because she's white?

Because I can link to a few articles where a small handful of Hillary supporters expressly stated they wouldn't vote for a black person.

[Hippo_Tron]

147. You mean like when Al Sharpton got 92% of the black vote?

Oh wait...

[BlooInBloo]

179. Or Keyes.

[Buzz Clik]

151. For at least a year of polling, Hillary had the African-American vote in her pocket.

The majority of Black voters became racist overnight?

[SaveAmerica]

190. Thank you, I can't even count how often that has been/should be posted.

I think it should be a permanent thread at the top of this forum the info is forgotten so often (and by the same people)

[EFerrari]

174. A lot of those people are voting against Clinton. n/t

[genna]

187. Hugs and kisses.

Do you know any of those 92% or even the 8%?

[roseBudd]

189. Was it reverse racism when Blacks did not vote for Ken Blackwell, Michael Steele & Lynn Swann?

[goletian]

240. dumb.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,136005,00.html

Gore won 90 percent of the black vote four years ago, with Bush at 9 percent, according to exit polls.

[my2sense]

4. This should be good

:popcorn:

[BlooInBloo]

7. ZING.

[Stuart G]

9. Do we really want to go there?

Yea, I got some good stories.(white person working in an all Afro - American High School)...14 years...

.but I am not interested..
...in putting gas on a fire.

What is the point of this ?

[theboss]

12. Yes...Tell me how the black patriarchy hurt you

(Actually, white people in DC do face these kinds of problems sometimes since DC is not only majority black, but most positions of power are held by black people).

[Enrique]

13. probably wise

I think it's possible the OP did not actually want a real discussion. Best not open yourself up.

[theboss]

14. Actually, if you have real stories...I would like to hear them

Whites have suffered in silence long enough.

[ampad]

17. LOL

:popcorn:

[cliffordu]

18. That's right, white folks always having to hire minorities to mow their

lawns is true suffering.....

Having to learn some Spanish words to talk to the maid.

Not unlike our Savior on the cross.....

[gaspee]

51. You're showing

your own bias.

This white person mows her own lawn, cleans her own house and changes her own oil.

I also happen to work three jobs.

But thanks for telling me how I live.

I only wish I could afford a gardener and or maid - only I'm more likely to *be* those things.

[cliffordu]

Feh. My wife cleans houses, I have had every shit job in the universe.

I was being a little sarcastic. Just a little though.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

38. I was once

denied something by a black person....

Hmmmmm.

I asked a black guy for directions once and he didn't know how to help me... I have never gotten over that. He hated me.:rofl:

[cliffordu]

42. lol Nice!

[dsomuah]

238. I have a real story ...

... had two cops car pull up in front and behind me, and cops jump out and point guns at me because I was jogging home from campus and apparently a young black man jogging past a parking lot on a predominatly white college campus just might be a theif running away after breaking into a car ...

Oh my bad you were looking for stories about REVERSE racism.

It kills me when white people point to things like what Rev. Wright say and then suddenly act like they have experienced racism. You have no idea what true racism is. True racism isn't someone saying things. Racism is far more serious than all that. I almost reached for my wallet that night to show them my college id. Racism could have gotten me killed that night. But some white person wants to play the victim over something someone said in a church? Give me a break.

I'm not saying what Rev. Wright said was okay. But to equate it to what black people still go through every day is beyond ridiculous.

[Lisa0825]

16. I think it was more of a way of making a point, rather than discussion.

The point is that while many whites do have experiences they would describe as reverse racism, it really doesn't compare with the widespread daily acts that are still pervasive in much of the country.

[Enrique]

27. duh

pretty obvious point.

[Name removed]

43. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[ampad]

70. LOL

You people are making my Friday. :rofl:

[QueenOfCalifornia]

99. May I join you

in that Friday laugh fest?

[ampad]

157. Of course

Have a seat, have a drink, it's Friday you bastards! ::toast:

[Stuart G]

44. I was white in an all black community..and..

my boss (the principal) was black, and the assistant principals were black..and most of my fellow teachers were black.

Some..fellow teachers hated me cause I was white... How many?..


about half..hard to know..but I didn't notice it at first..but it was there.. it was ugly shit..and that is enough.

[gabby garcia]

74. how do you know..

they hated you for being white. did they tell you this?

maybe they just hated you for being, well...you.

[theboss]

80. In fairness, this is a fairly common occurence in Washington DC schools and government

DC is the one city where blacks are not only the majority but control all the levels of power (or as much as their white masters in Congress allow them to control).

And there are a fair number of people in the system who use it to get revenge on white people.

It's not a good thing for DC, but it is hardly a national tragedy.

[MilesColtrane]

92. "their white masters"

Sorry, I think I misheard you.

Maybe if you took that hood off.

[theboss]

101. Yes...it is obvious my this thread that I fuckin' started that I am a racist

Jesus Christ.

Washington DC is a plantation. It pretends to have self-government, but at the end of the day a Congressman from South Carolina can cut Metro funding.

[Moochy]

96. Yes, by all means, hide that racism.. dont play all your cards now!111

The poodle is in the pen.
See you at taylor marsh's site!

[billyoc]

20. Your first sentence repeats "black on white" twice, boss.

[theboss]

23. Thanks...that made no sense as written

Fixed now.

[cbc5g]

21. We are a race obsessed species sadly n/t

[Straight Shooter]

32. Are you hoping for your 10 minutes of fame at Trinity? n/t

[theboss]

39. How many black churches did the Clintons visit from 1991 to 2000?

500? 600?

[Straight Shooter]

78. I don't know. Do you? n/t

[theboss]

81. Lots and lots and lots

My guess is they heard a few things.

[Straight Shooter]

105. All this should be a warning sign to America to get religion out of politics.

And vice-versa.

[FatDave]

122. I'll drink to that!

:beer:

[Straight Shooter]

144. I was hoping someone would :)

:toast:

[genna]

193. I don't agree. The social gospel has helped too many AA for me to say religion

should get out of politics.

MLK Jr. would not have been possible but for the black church. Jesse Jackson would not even be a national name but for the black church.


You might like that image, I don't.


The social gospel is needed in our country.

[Straight Shooter]

204. Too much of even a good thing is a bad thing.

Let's just take it all the way back to when organized politics started. Right then, right there, religion should have been expressly forbidden to enter the arena.

I appreciate you have a different opinion, and I respect your feelings on it, but I truly despise what has been done to humanity in the name of religion. As Pascal noted, "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction." Would we have gone to war against Iraq were they a "Christian" nation? Doubtful.

Martin Luther King would not have needed the religious arena if it hadn't been for the cockeyed notions that stem from the Bible in the first place, where God cursed Ham and made him and his descendants dark. Or some such nonsense as that; I may not have the name correct. And don't get me started on Jesus depicted as a blue-eyed, honey-haired white man to appeal to those who want him made in their own image. Ack.

Jesse Jackson is such a dynamic person, he would have been nationally recognized eventually, regardless of religion.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

33. Hatred is really individualized

I've known people who hate people in another group based solely upon physical characteristics. I've found in those cases it is fun to puncture their stereotypes. I was able to make one lady re-think her ideas about me when I commented on the fact that Malcolm X was my brother and told her about his trip to Mecca and how he realized we are all brothers and sisters. There have been times in my heart I felt uncomfortable amongst other people--but praise to the One, my heart was opened and I realized that which I passed on to this lady.

[mod mom]

36. It took me 15 minutes to vote in OH in '04 where less than 1 mile away in the Af Am

precincts I canvassed, voters waited 3-5 hours. They had less machines than they did in the primary despite large increases in voter registrations.

:mad:

[IndianaJones]

46. reverse racism is almost as funny as white people pretending they care about real racism. nt.

[cbc5g]

68. Im sorry? I care about racism and im white

[IndianaJones]

115. you're about as rare as reverse racism. nt.

[nolabels]

176. So did the judge yesterday

I was seated to be on a jury yesterday. At the end of the day, when most of our pool of people had been eliminated for one reason or another a kind of interesting thing happened. The defense and prosecution both declared they were satisfied with the jurors seated. The judge was hip to what had happened, the prosecution had dismissed most of the Hispanic people. Only one was left after at the last elimination where the prosecution nixed three in a row. We all got dismissed on whole by the judge and the young hot-shot prosecutor and the rest of the ALL WHITE FOLKS that filled every position in that court that day were sent home so they try again the next day. The area we live is about 40% Latino

The whole thing seems insane now considering in this criminal trial the accused was also of Euro decent :crazy:

[iamthebandfanman]

223. that was racist

if you ask me.

making broad generalisations of a whole race is kinda well... racist... dontcha think?

[SoonerPride]

47. There is no such thing as reverse racism. Here's why:

There is only racism. Period.

When one color of people uses the skin color of others to oppress or exclude then it is racism. White over black, black over white, or brown or native or Asian or any other combination you care to dream up.

It is impossible for a minority to exact any power and exclude, oppress, or punish the majority skin color.

Thus, there is no such thing as "reverse racism." That is a made-up right wing white racist talking point for people who are against affirmative action programs.

[shomino]

65. Great post Sooner, QFT. -nt

[NatBurner]

71. oh, you sooners

and your vulcan logic-
always insisting on making sense

seriously tho, go tell this on the mountaintop

[TexasObserver]

82. Disagree with one part of that.

You wrote "It is impossible for a minority to exact any power and exclude, oppress, or punish the majority skin color."

That is absolutely incorrect. If there are ten black students and two whites students in a room together, the ten black students certainly have the power to exclude, oppress or punish the the white students on racial grounds. If they do so, it is a racist action. If five Asians on a basketball court won't let the Hispanic guy play because he's not one of them, it's racism. If the Hispanic guys playing soccer won't let the Asian guy play because he's not one of them, it's racism.

The notion that one who is a member of a minority group cannot be actively committing racism is false. Racism is using race to make one's decisions, and it is something that many are guilty of having, irrespective of their personal race. There is rampant racism in America, and there are millions of whites, blacks, Hispanics and Asians in America who are racist.

We cannot end or attentuate racism by pretending it is only found in the majority race.

[NatBurner]

120. interesting

i see your point, but in the bigger picture? iono if that holds up

[TexasObserver]

131. There is a conflating of two terms. RACISM is not the same as DISCRIMINATION.

It is certainly true that the majority race, in any given circumstance, can discriminate against other races. However, it is equally true that in society as a whole, minority groups cannot effect such discrimination.

Racism exists in the mind. Discrimination is the evidence of that racism. Racism is the thought. Discrimination is the action. Is it racist for five blacks guys to pick on a white guy because he is white? Yes. They are discriminating against him. However, when those five black guys are charged with a crime, perhaps a crime that would not have been charged had it been five white guys picking on black guy, they face a judicial system that is racist and discriminatory against them, as black men.

We cannot stop racism by looking the other way when it is exhibited by minority members. Racism begats more racism, and it's wrong no matter which group is advocating it or discriminating based upon it.

I do not favor discussions which use the term "reverse discrimination," because the word "reverse" is redundant. Race based discrimination is racism in action, no matter who the guilty persons are.

[NatBurner]

158. gotcha

you need to join sooner on that mountaintop with this-
eloquent, and unimpeachable

and for the record, i replied pre-edit

thx for this tho

[FatDave]

124. I think when he said "minority"...

...he meant the minority in any given situation, not minority in a total population. At least that's the way I took it and the way it makes sense.

(Edited for grammar)

[SoonerPride]

126. Exactly. In TOs post, the minority then becomes the majority and guilty of racism as well.

The fallacy is in the idea of "reverse racism."

There is only racism.

[TexasObserver]

135. Ah, then we agree.

[SoonerPride]

145. Yes, we do. Even though you're from "down south."

:)

[TexasObserver]

133. Well, if it's transactionally defining "minority," no problemo.

[TahitiNut]

125. Agreed. "All politics is local."

Context is a huge consideration.

In terms of the individual moral failing of bigotry, it is insanely ignorant to pretend that someone's race either assures or precludes the moral failing of racism, sexism, or other forms of bias and bigotry. Indeed, it is itself a form of racism to adopt such a posture.

[TexasObserver]

142. Yes, and we have it evidenced throughout society.

I will be the first to state that racism by whites in America is a huge problem, but I will also note that racism against other races is not the exclusive province of whites in America. Each of the four major races has its share of bigots who think their race is superior to the others. The racism between Asians and Blacks in America is probably the greatest level of racism between any two of the four major races. There are probably logical reasons for that, but it's true.

[TahitiNut]

235. At the bottom of it, imho, it's what I've said before ...

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/TahitiNut/521
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/TahitiNut/508

[SoonerPride]

128. In your instances the minority is then the majority and also acting as racists

The term that is a fallacy is "reverse racism."

[TexasObserver]

146. We agree.

[JuniperLea]

85. Good post... but I'll add something here...

I don't like the word "minority" because I don't think it applies using any definition of the word.

Are "they" minor people... as opposed to what? Major, more important people?

Are "they" fewer in number... not in Los Angeles.

I wish we could come up with something... no, scratch that. We should do away with every word that segregates. We can't be one people while we still use language that divides us.

[XOEnterprises]

95. Thank you, Sooner.

:thumbsup: Racism denotes oppression, and oppression is not a two way street. My ethics professor always said, "Random acts of mistreatment go both ways, but oppression only goes one way." Racism is oppression, and any backlash from the oppressed group is not "reverse racism" because they have no power to subjugate the other group.

[knixphan]

123. needs to be said again.

Thus, there is no such thing as "reverse racism." That is a made-up right wing white racist talking point for people who are against affirmative action programs.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

168. One slight quibble with an otherwise brilliant statement

"It is impossible for a minority to exact any power and exclude, oppress, or punish the majority skin color."

Actually, it's quite possible. Look at South Africa.

[SoonerPride]

175. True. In SA it was about vast economic disparity which gave the Boers the power.

Thanks for that.

[NatBurner]

242. and a shitload of guns

[genna]

195. I don't think the majority wants to hear it nor do they want to talk about it either.

I agree with SoonerPride.

:kick:

[muryan]

210. True with a few exceptions

Apartheid South Africa being one of them, but if included ruling class or some designation for those who controlled most of the wealth/political power it would be spot on.

[crankychatter]

52. Every time I go back to the all White little Southern Style town my folks retired in...

... somebody tries to give me a job and make me work

JUST BECAUSE I'M WHITE

I hate that... not being White... working

I really hate that

[shomino]

54. I'm a white male and I just have to say...

I see whites trivialize and minimize slavery's impact all the time. I am usually in the minority in such discussions and the whole "sins of the father" argument is brought up.
A lot of whites still haven't come to terms with or even know what the history of slavery and Jim Crow law really is in the United States.

Then again, I guess it might be natural to be nervous about a population of people who have been violently brutalized by people who look just like you for hundreds of years.

[theboss]

59. Here is what no one gets: Chicago has been a Hell for blacks for 100 years

Chicago is probably worse than Birmingham because Birmingham at least had the balls to be honest about what it was and to let black people have their own institutions in their own parts of town.

Chicago hid its problems and sent in white overlords to run the black neighborhoods.

[knixphan]

61. true -

And I've been the black guy in many of those conversations, trying to convince the group that we can have an honest conversation about the sins of the father without them feeling afraid - (that I'm going to slap the guilt on the sons & daughters.)

[Stuart G]

and I was the white guy trying to get along..at that black high school..

in the Chicago Public Schools..I got the other side of that hatred ...Screw both sides of racism..

note: I did say that at least half of the faculty that was back was not racist ...probably more.

But those that were, hated me...

[knixphan]

121. absolutely right - screw both sides!

:toast:

[psychmommy]

162. i have to agree with the other poster

why couldn't it be that they didn't like your personality. i don't get all that personal on my job. people may think i don't like them because i don't socialize with them. but, i don't socialize with anybody really. i am not a racist because i don't want to hang out with you. i don't mix business and pleasure. did you feel uncomfortable because black people felt free to talk about white people in front of you? we deal with that crap everyday on our jobs. how you felt on your job is how we feel everyday on our job. i don't care if i am liked. i go to work, do my job and get paid.

[izzybeans]

110. I was once asked "Can you handle racial comedy" by a bouncer at Caroline's on Broadway

I mean just because I'm white doesn't mean I don't enjoy Paul Mooney. I felt violated. ;)

[genna]

197. To even raise the topic is a PROBLEM for those who don't want to hear or feel

It is difficult to even talk about what it means to be a minority without seeing those RW talking points on reverse racism.

It's frustrating.

[jeffrey_X]

62. Here's mine

i was on the bus last week here in Chicago. I got on and some mentally disabled, older african american gentlemen kept tell the bus driver (who was also African American) that he just doesn't like white people. He said it pretty loud and the bus was absolutely packed. He must have been about 65 or 70 and might have even been homeless.

[theboss]

66. You should have filed a civil rights complaint

I'm surprised you have the strength to ever ride the bus again.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

72. that's sad

just sad.

poor guy.

sounds like Alzheimer's and he most likely has very good reasons - or a lot of them for hating white people.

[grantcart]

64. affirmative action ended up helping me more than the Black guy

Before the civil rights movment the good jobs in America were decided at the Elks Lodge and the country club.

Think Dan Quayle.

Affirmative Action didn't compel the business community to hire blacks it compelled them to institute a formal system of hiring and make their qualifications open to all and transparent.

Companies had to hire real managers to run their personnel departments - Human Resource Officers were borne.

The result was that everyone who didn't have a chance before now could apply.


The reality was that it was hard working men of non connecting white families that had the skill set that would fill the openings. An example well how about a white guy whose father left him and was raised in near poverty by a step father in a place called Hope Arkansas.

Affirmative Action formalized the system and made it a meritocracy. Of course there were some African Americans who were able to take immediate advantage of it but the greatest initial movement was to push the Dan Quayles out of the system and let the Bill Clintons in. It would take a while for the affirmative action in the education system to catch up and for African Americans to start qualifying for these jobs in large numbers.

And yes - as soon as that started to happen in significant numbers some of the same group that had benefitted from the system at the begining - the hard working talented unconnected white folks - started calling out 'no fair' and that it was reverse racism.


I know this isn't what you were aiming for in your OP but I think it illustrates your title clearly.

Affirmative Action initially helped the huge number of talented white folks that couldn't get ahead in the ole 'slap on the back' good ole boy system that was prevelant in small and medium sized America. It forced a formal hiring system that by law forced employers to look at everyone - including whites that had the skills but not the connections. Once the African Americans started to get the skills in large number and get the real benefit of the system some whites now wanted to make it completely color blind and a pure based meritocracy.

[knixphan]

76. great post.

[crickets]

163. Excellent post. -nt

[cbc5g]

73. This thread proves that we haven't moved beyond race yet n/t

[anigbrowl]

75. A black guy told me I was square once. I am still traumatized.

Sure reverse racism exists, I've seen a few genuine examples of it as a bystander. But I can't say it strikes me as a major social problem.

[crankychatter]

83. Black women prefer to be with Black men

that shit is just wrong

[theboss]

87. And terribly unfair to Bobby DeNiro

This is made up by the fact that black men love white women.

[JimGinPA]

100. I Used To Date A Very Attractive Black Women...

We experienced a lot of reverse-reverse racism.

[crankychatter]

109. tmi

gawud I miss her sometimes

[jeffrey_X]

140. I'm white and my wife is African American

X

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

155. Not all of us....

[muryan]

211. I have several ex's that would disagree

with that statement.

[woolldog]

84. LOL. Great post. n/t

[mrreowwr_kittty]

88. One time I came upon a group of black people discussing racism.

They, like totally, forgot to stop their conversation and reassure me, a white person, that they knew I wasn't a racist and that sometimes black people can be racist against white people too. Oh yeah, and they also neglected to acknowledge that my ancestors didn't own slaves! They just kept talking about their experience being black in this country like I wasn't even there! How dare they? Where are their priorities??

Oh, and just in case you weren't aware this is :sarcasm:

[LanternWaste]

90. Could you cut to the chase and simply make your point?

Could you cut to the chase and simply make your point? I'm not really bright enough to infer what you're really trying to say...

[cbc5g]

103. His point is that white people don't get discriminated against

Which is wrong in America and all around the world. I don't think whites hold this "racism" gene that others don't. I think everyones the same given certain situations. One of those situations being, growing up in a racist household or having friends that are racists.

[madrchsod]

98. i did have to get "permission" to go into an all black club

my friend had to vouch for me that i was "ok" to come into an all black club in the early 60`s. we were both under 21 but his family was well known so i was cool i guess...the worse thing about it was they were far better dancers than i was...this white boy knew he was not going to dance.

[lojasmo]

108. It exists, but it has never been a problem for me personally.

Any discomfort I have ever felt due to the behavior of black people toward me probably has more to do with my innate fears and prejudices than that of other people.

Racism committed by the culturally powerful (whites) is a far greater problem. Nearly incomparably.

[Lilith Velkor]

111. Reverse racism, as a concept, is horse shit.

But you knew that.

[Writer]

116. ...

:hide:

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

119. I am sick of my all-white neighborhood...

It's really fucking boring and WAY too Republican. But that's my own fault.

[windoe]

130. I'm in a mixed relationship

so have experienced racism by proxy. I have learned a lot by being at the receiving end of things. After 911, and under *, this country took a quantum leap backwards in cultural consciousness, goaded by all their fear mongering, divisive, openly racist, misogynistic and violent tactics. They scratched open all of our cultural wounds and bled us to empower themselves. As bad as things have ever been in this country, almost a full decade of unmitigated hate and ignorance has thrived here, and spread around the world. My heart has been broken, and I hope to see better times.
Maybe not the post asked for, but here it is.

[olkaz]

132. I support affirmative action completely, but...

I've been studying for the LSAT (Law School test) for 6+ months. It's murder. Been studying it while going to school and working full-time. I don't have much time for anything.

The required GPA and LSAT score for the school that I really want to go to is out of my reach. I'm close, but not close enough. It's really pretty heartbreaking for me.

Anyway, I was at an LSAT workshop, and a "Underrepresented Minority" was there being quite brazen about not studying at all for the test and KNOWING that there would be zero problem getting the same school (because of URM status). It was really hard to listen to.

I know why the system is set up this way, and I would never want to change it, but it's really hard when you're sacrificing so much.

I don't know if this classifies, honestly, as a story specified by the OP, but there it is.

[theboss]

136. You are studying too much for the LSAT first of all

Secondly, that person is probably not getting into the school they think they are.

[olkaz]

143. Yeah, you're probably right.

And I'm an idiot for letting it bother me. It's just hard when I'm so emotionally invested.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

167. Well you can console yourself knowing that he will probably flunk out of law school

A/A will get you to the door, but once you get in you have to do the work.

[FatDave]

134. Here's the thing:

The asshole gene is not linked to race.

[SoonerPride]

137. But we learned here on DU that is a sexist term. !!

And no, I'm not kidding.

I wish I were.

[FatDave]

215. Well, I say if you've got one, you can be one. (nt)

[JVS]

138. When I was a kid I saw this hate video on MTV and I can't trust black people now!

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1eef8_intelligent-hoodlum-black-proud_music

[cyndensco]

166. You're kidding, right?

I hope you're kidding. And, thanks for the link - I enjoyed the video.

[JVS]

232. Of course I am. I can't believe the fucking "outrage" here.

[genna]

199. I miss my teens so much. I used to love this video!

It is so much easier when you are young and insulated from the horrors of the world.

[WeDidIt]

148. Well,...there was this one time, at bandcamp...

[Buzz Clik]

149. More rightwing bullshit from a poster with no profile. UPON EDITING:

EDIT: Once again, I notice that behavior of the author of the OP is not consistent with the title or the body of the OP.

Why is it necessary to throw gasoline on a fire?

[IndianaJones]

152. lmao. nt.

[theboss]

153. Defending Obama is right-wing BS?

Explain that again, chief.

[Buzz Clik]

159. I read your entire OP devoid of any context, and had the reaction above.

It wasn't until I read down the thread the I realized that this thread is purely flamebait.

I initially falsely accused you, but I don't understand the need for this.

[theboss]

160. It's not flamebait. It's triggered an intersting discussion on white privilege

I make good threads, yo.

[Buzz Clik]

164. Well, I'll leave you to it.

[JVS]

154. the tongue can be found in the cheek

[redqueen]

156. ...

:rofl:

[Maine-ah]

161. dude, I'm in Maine.

x(

I have never ever dealt with "reverse" racism up here. I don't know why it's called "reverse". Racism is racism. Doesn't matter who's spewing it.

But, I did live a couple of years in South Florida after I graduated, and it was rather rampant down there. From all walks of life.

[emilyg]

165. It's rampant in Ga., too.

[NatBurner]

169. texas too

i NEVER stop in vidor

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/12/08/oppenheim.sundown.town/index.html

[truedelphi]

170. I clearly remember the horrors of a childhood in which MoTown music

Blared on the AM radios incessantly!!

Imagine HOW THAT affected the psyche of a south side Chicago girl who would never have the rich skin tones of a Diana Ross.

And to boot, I couldn't sing worth a darn either.

The blacks have the NAACP.

Where and when was there ever an org for lily- white, tone deaf
teens who couldn't dance well either!

[Beaverhausen]

171. How about our stories about sexism?

I'm sure your interested in those. :sarcasm:

[theboss]

177. Sexism exists.

Therefore, it is a slightly less amusing subject.

[ieoeja]

173. My biggest would be being denied service at fast food joints on three occasions.

Twice at the same place in a predominately White neighborhood. Takes a real genius to refuse service to the people who are going to make up 90% of his customers. That store didn't last very long.

The other place I hopped the counter and proceeded to get my own food. Obviously the staff went ape-shit and the manager came out from the back to find out what was going on. He asked me to return to the other side of the counter and filled my order himself (no charge) while reading the riot act to his employees for refusing to serve me.

There was this place downtown I used to frequent for lunch where they would serve me, but only when there were no Black people waiting on service. So if I was waiting while they served a couple of people in front of me, then some Black guy came in behind me, they'd skip me to serve him first.

Cops pulled me over for being White in an all Black neighborhood. Don't know if I'd call that reverse racism exactly. But it is an example of reverse racial profiling. Or perhaps not. Since the assumption that a White guy would be in a Black neighborhood only for criminal activities surely reflected their racist view of Blacks rather than their view of me as White.

[not_too_L8]

180. Racism is racism, reverse racism would mean to not have racism

It's like saying "irregardless"... a double negative

[Aloha Spirit]

183. They're not "reverse racists", they just don't trust white people. -G. Ferraro's black counterpart

[genna]

184. I don't know that race is something people talk about until they can get upset about it

Take Wright.

I thought that reaction was outrageous. Then for each tv program to find the token black to explain what could have possibly happened in that church. Then Wright came back out and snubbed his nose at the National Media with such an obvious disdain and snark.


It didn't take a genius to say Obama's former pastor is off the hook.

Instead I've read tombs of words that say, "Hey if Wright hates America..." This guy obviously doesn't care about this country? Or better yet, Pat Buchanan telling us that Black people need to get on our knees and thank America for kidnapping and enslaving our relatives a few centuries back because we have it better than we would have.


Then this Father comes out of box and knocks everyone over mocking white privilege. They denounce him as a crazy man but in a much more bitter way. They don't dismiss him as being an angry black man like they did Wright. I've read comments where they dismiss him for being a race traitor.


No one wants to talk about the underlying anger or upset they have that there are obvious disagreements about what constitutes being sensitive or insensitive about race...they just want the issue to go away so they can vote for the other candidate.


I do get it. It ain't reverse racism and one size does not fit all.

[Moochy]

185. Thanks Boss!

You really know how to provoke a "discussion". :evilgrin:

Anyone who really thinks reverse racism exists and is a problem... well. lets just say ignore poster is my preferred option for them.

[L0oniX]

194. How would you know that I am purple and that I am from Mars?

So how do you know what % of Du members are white red yellow brown or black?

[theboss]

196. Skinner polled us

I posted the link above.

We are 98 percent white.

[CaptJasHook]

200. Uh, uh, My Black Drill instructor once made me do push ups when nobody else had to.

Uh, uh, Once a Black woman gave me a dirty look cause I smiled at her.

Uh, uh, Black kids don't think I am hip.

Uh, Uh.....



Got nothing.

[NatBurner]

206. that might have been me, dude

were u late for CQ? back in 1989?

i'm sorry; they MADE me do stuff like that-

now can't we all just get along?

[CaptJasHook]

220. Sgt. Jackson?????

[NatBurner]

224. *phew*

wasn't me-

sgt moss

i'll still buy u an internet beer tho, so cheers!

[CaptJasHook]

228. Thanks, Sarge

:toast:

[jillan]

201. Try being a pirhana on a political discussion board full of sharks.

:)

[happydreams]

205. Repeatedly having young blacks cutting in front of me in a

convenience store line.
Also deliberately walking in front of my car when I'm taking a turn.

This is just a couple.

[Bucky]

207. I once went out with this chick and then she wouldn't even go out a second time, see

And when I finally get her to pick up the phone (singing really long versions of Neil Diamond songs into answering machines can work wonders, guys!) she said it was cause I was rude and loud and obnoxious and that I smelled like cabbage. But I knew what she really meant. I "get" code language.

[genna]

217. The horror of that picture

:evilfrown:

[Bucky]

219. You're right. Her reverse racism toward me was less attractive than...

the puddle of vomit I left in her front lawn.

[JPZenger]

227. If she didn't want to go out with you again, she must be a lesbian. nt

[hfojvt]

218. isn't this entire thread based on a strawman?

Who says that we have solved white on black racism?

The problem is when people speak as if there is some kind of conflict between all whites and all blacks.

[iamthebandfanman]

222. anybody

who assumes youre racist, simply based on your color..... is also a racist... from my experience...
ive been called 'white boy' a few times in my past ;)

trust me, racism has no bound. it knows no colour. it knows no gender.

an example of how women can be sexist and a person of another race can be a bigot....

if youre a hillary supporter and your main reason for voting for her is because shes a woman. youre a sexist. if youre an obama supporter but the main reason you voted for him was because of his race, youre a racist.

there ya have it, reverse bigotry. it does happen.

[cbc5g]

225. Any person no matter what race can be a racist given varying circumstances

As a kid in middle school when I was in my weak nerd days, this black girl would cheat off my tests, call me white boy and cracker condescendingly and yell at me sometimes and laugh. Yet she was also friends with white guys who were the jocks.

People exploit weakness. We've exploited weakness since we enslaved and exterminated neanderthal man and made them become extinct. And like in the past, sometimes that exploitation of weakness is justified with insults on race.

[JPZenger]

226. I suffered when African Americans were smarter than me

I went to a high school that was almost all white. I remember what it was like when I first went to college and met the first African American student who was much much smarter than me. It made me feel oppressed.

snark.

[whistle]

230. Wrong, the Skinner link shows 86.4% are white

[whistle]

231. Here is the Skinner link go look again

Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Thu Jun-21-07 02:35 PM
Original message
Everything you've ever wanted to know about DUers
Edited on Thu Jun-21-07 11:10 PM by Skinner
The Blog Reader Survey is finished, and we've got a lot of interesting information about the members of Democratic Underground...

35% are between the ages of 46 and 55
93% voted in 2006
53% watch the Daily Show
74% are Democrats
48% have a passport
26% watch the Simpsons
54% have attended a political rally, speech, or protest in the last year
85% have signed a petition in the last year
86% have written or called a politician in the last year
85% connect to the Internet by cable or DSL
Most popular car brand is Ford
Favorite film genre is comedy
Favorite gin is Tanqueray
64% floss regularly

Thank you to everyone who took the survey. There's lots more info available here:

http://www.blogreaderproject.com/Blogs/democratic-under...

[Dr Fate]

236. Black people oppress me all the time. They always take my jobs and get into my schools.

Also, they have Jet magazine, their own beauty pageant, their own TV channel and their own hit parade chart.

I've been told by DU supporters of a certain candidate that they even have their own "cards" that they play.

Sing it with me: "Oh how many roads must a man walk down..."

[catnhatnh]

237. Okay....but mine is true....

....Late 70's. I applied to be a firefighter in two Connecticut towns with the tests only days apart...the earlier one was Fairfield Ct. and the later Stratford Ct. which was the job I wanted as my brother was a firefighter there. My plan was to use Fairfield as a "practice" test. In Fairfield I was ranked #1 after the written and physical fitness test. After oral examination I was ranked #2 after an oral interview with a woman taking #1.
...In Stratford eight positions were open. After the written test were given, the physical fitness test was graded as a pass/fail requirement which I passed. About 300 people passed both.The town then established three lists for hiring....a black list, a female list, and a white list.This meant the town would hire three blacks, three women, and two white guys...
...The number of women who passed was 6. Black males were about 12. White males were just under 300...Now that might seem like enough for me to feel some discontent-but it got better...the Town's attorney decided lawsuits might be a problem. He decided the written test scores would not be revealed as that might cause suits...so all applicants that passed the written were drawn from a hat in the three pools....In the white guy pool, I was drawn as #268.
...I went on with my life....Fairfield offered me a job which I declined, I never became a firefighter, though by accident I later became an EMT. One of the black guys became a friend whom I occasionally meet at bike week in New Hampshire. The discrimination I experienced was at the hand of a white lawyer doing his job to protect the Town. I am happy that as a white guy it only happened once. But it DID happen.