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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 01:16 PM
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The OTHER preacher at UCC
Susan Brooks Thistlethwaite
President, Chicago Theological Seminary
Rev. Susan Brooks Thistlethwaite is president of Chicago Theological Seminary and senior fellow at the Center for American Progress. She has been a professor of theology at the seminary for 20 years and director of its graduate degree center for five years. Her area of expertise is contextual theologies of liberation, specializing in issues of violence and violation. An ordained minister of the United Church of Christ since 1974, the “On Faith” panelist is the author or editor of thirteen books and has been a translator for two translations of the Bible.

Pfleger: Bully in the Pulpit

I preached the first service at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago last Sunday. Rev. Michael Pfleger preached later that day.

I preached a sermon about how a sacred conversation on race has to have Christ at the center.

Father Pfleger, as America now knows, preached a very different message on race, one I greatly resent.

We in the United Church of Christ are trying to have what we call “A Sacred Conversation on Race” and I did not find Pfleger’s sermon to represent what we in the UCC are trying to do in having a sacred conversation.

Instead, Pfleger’s sermon was a bullying rant that was disrespectful of the members of Trinity United Church of Christ, disrespectful of Senator Hillary Clinton and really also disrespectful of Senator Obama and his consistent message of finding common ground.

This political campaign season often seems to me to be a kind of cultural theater, where we are seeing the end of one kind of politics, the politics of polarization (and even the religion of polarization) coming to an end and a new politics and religion of unity trying to break through. I have been reading Nixonland: The Rise of a President and the Fracturing of America by Rick Perlstein, and this excellent book describes this historical trajectory we have experienced since 1972.

The idea that you should inflame people’s hatred of one another as a way to mobilize voters has been dominant since 1972 and very powerful. But it has produced near paralysis in Washington and disastrous foreign policy. But hate dies hard and while people want to find unity, they can easily fall back into divisive rhetoric, especially when it is disguised as humor. This is bad at a dinner party; in the pulpit it is shameful and wrong.

As a woman, I was offended by Pfleger’s mocking of Senator Clinton for showing emotion. Women in leadership get this double-whammy all the time; you have to be strong and not show emotion to be seen as a leader and when you don’t show emotion people say you are cold and unfeeling. I had hoped that stereotype of women had died in the 1970’s, but apparently not for Pfleger.

It is clear that Pfleger belongs to the old politics and religion of division. This is not a matter of age, particularly, but of mindset. Apparently the way Pfleger understands race or gender is through conflict and opposition, not through unity, common ground and certainly not as “sacred”. Dr. Dwight Hopkins, a faculty member at the Divinity School of the University of Chicago and member of Trinity UCC offered a similar analysis of Pfleger’s sermon last Sunday. The Catholic priest’s charged remarks reflect an old-school approach. "One of the hallmarks of preaching is the speaker is expected to combine their interpretation of current events with the divinely inspired message from above," he said.

In the sermon I preached last Sunday, I used Paul’s teaching from 1 Corinthians 12 where Paul instructs the Corinthian church that they are one body in Christ and have to overcome their divisions to “put on the mind of Christ.”

That is what the Bible teaches us about a sacred conversation on race, on gender, on any differences. When we are in Christ we have to love our differences and come together as one body. Father Pfleger’s sermon was pulpit bullying of the church and bullying of good people who are trying to run decent campaigns for President. It was anything but sacred and it was certainly not biblical.

The good news is that the politics and religion of division is the past and with a lot of work, the politics and religion of unity and cooperation can be our future.

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Posted by Susan Brooks Thistlethwaite on May 30, 2008 12:16 PM

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/susan_brooks_thistlethwaite/2008/05/pfleger_bully_in_the_pulpit.html
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papapi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 01:46 PM
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1. Highly recommended! Let's use our spirit of unity instead of our fists (metaphorically).
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 02:02 PM
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5. I imagine the Obamas heard more of these types of sermons
in their church than the berry picked few produced for outrage.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 01:53 PM
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2. kick
:kick:
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fed_up_mother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 01:54 PM
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3. K&R Very good.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 02:02 PM
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4. While I'd Agree With the Bulk of It
I have to wonder what kind of dope she was smoking when she wrote this:

This political campaign season often seems to me to be a kind of cultural theater, where we are seeing the end of one kind of politics, the politics of polarization (and even the religion of polarization) coming to an end and a new politics and religion of unity trying to break through.

What Pfleger said included the same things I've seen and heard all throughout the campaign. The Ivory Tower crowd truly has no idea ...
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 02:05 PM
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6. Maybe our focus differs.
She included both poles, as do you. You have evidence of both, which is exactly what she said.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 02:09 PM
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7. Very nice -- but we still need to keep religion out of politics -- even when they say nice things
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 02:53 PM
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8. Seconded (nt)
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 02:55 PM
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9. That isn't going to happen.
Obviously.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 03:16 PM
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10. It has happened in other countries
when people have had enough. It will happen here. The only question is whether we will get there the easy way or the hard way.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 03:54 PM
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13. Which other countries, please?
I'd like to do some research.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:49 PM
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18. To the extent that we have it here?
Most countries are ahead of us. In most of Europe, religion is generally not part of politics. I know Mexico has some stringent rules -- for a Catholic country yet. Canadians -- at least my Canadian friends -- think we pay way too much attention to religion.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 04:21 AM
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25. I kind of
Edited on Sat May-31-08 04:21 AM by votesomemore
got confused and mixed in a bit of another thread that suggests removing tax exempt status for churches.
I agree with the premise, with exemptions for services that are offered without regard for constitutionally protected liberties. Just like 'regular' charities.

But the Vatican will never pay taxes. We actually send them money. How do these other countries deal with the Catholic situation?
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 03:45 PM
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11. Kicked and Barackommended...
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 03:53 PM
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12. And yet the chorus here at GDP has been pro-Pfleger
Obviously, a lot of Obama's supporters totally DON'T GET his message. They're too busy cackling about Pfleger's routine, calling it "spot on," etc.

Bake
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:27 PM
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14. We also need to debunk that the man has anything to do with Obama.
Edited on Fri May-30-08 04:28 PM by votesomemore
I saw coverage on 'Extra' earlier. They were debunking "myths". They stated that Pfleger is OBAMA'S SPIRITUAL ADVISER.

HE IS NOT. This man was a guest speaker. Extra didn't clear up that mis-perception. Their target was Pfleger's crusade to shut down Jerry Springer. True.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:34 PM
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16.  April 2004, Barack Obama told a reporter from the Chicago Sun-Times that he had 3 spiritual mentors
Edited on Fri May-30-08 04:40 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
or counselors: Jeremiah Wright, James Meeks, and Father Michael Pfleger
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:50 PM
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19. He was working on Obama's campaign until 2 weeks ago.
That'll be a little hard to debunk.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 04:23 AM
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26. I didn't know.
I guess the priest must have some positive characteristics, like most of us do.
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papapi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:32 PM
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15. Please don't include me in 'a lot'. Thank you.
I haven't heard PFelegler's rant and don't care to. Obama didn't say these things. Move on.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:43 PM
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17. Move along, nothing to see here ...
You know, people will "move on" when they're good and damn ready. Maybe you ought to take a look at Pfleger's little performance.

Bake
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:15 PM
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20. This just is such a good example of Sen. Obama's good judgement
He is able to sit and take the best of what people have to say.. and leave the rest on the table.. He has the judgment and discernment to weed out the negative, and process the positive..
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:20 PM
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22. It is situations like this,
that absolutely confirm my original reasonings for supporting Senator Obama.. I have nothing against Senator Clinton.. I think she has much to give.. I just think she does not have it in her at this point to take the heat that is going to be dished out at the democratic candidate..God Bless her, and I hope that she has a wonderful career as a senator, and she can be looked back on as we love and look back on Senator Kennedy..and what a wonderful career he has had.. I wish that for Senator Clinton..But this is a tough tough game.. she has played it many years..and anyone would wear out under the withering stress of it..
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 04:18 AM
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24. Hi, peacetrain. I agree.
It is very simplistic and dualistic to think everything can be put into neat stacks and stay that way.
I'm sure he received encouragement from the speakers, but I do not believe at all that he took on the mantle for every single one of them.

Hey! And welcome to DU :hi:
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:19 PM
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21. You mean to tell me that not all people in that church are secret Mooooslims just waiting to enslave
us white people? No way? I thought them people were all the same.

You mean to tell me that the President of the Chicago Seminary and professor at the University of Chicago Divinity school are members in that Church. I can't believe it. And here I thought they just existed to kill whitey. :sarcasm:
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:24 PM
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23. Yep..those UCC's..
what can you do with a group like that.. opening their church to ministers, and pastors and priests of all faiths.. just so religiosit (is there such a word??) :)
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 04:27 AM
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27. And you know what else.
Can you in your wildest imagination, think how many sermons have been preached from white pulpits against black Americans?
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