Obama takes heat from Catholic League over Pfleger

[kennetha]

For a post-racial, kumbaya, can't we all come together candidate, Obama hangs out with the strangest people. Looks like the Catholic League questions his judgment. So do I. So, maybe, will the Supers.


http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/30/obama-takes-heat-from-catholic-league-over-pfleger/">Obama takes heat from Catholic League over Pfleger

[Thrill]

1. Yeah because Obama, controls what they say. Give me a damn break

[JoFerret]

102. He did have him on his advisory panel

or some such. Right?
And without doubt the man is one nasty ranting creep.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

2. The Catholic League makes Pat Robertson look progressive.

[FARAFIELD]

41. Then you woke up, nice try, but the guy was on the money

And since half the country cant stand Hillary, I will ask the question, who really gives a shit?

[americanstranger]

3. Ah, quoting Bill Donohue.

And you're questioning the people Obama 'hangs out with?'

You have quite a future in fail.

- as

[TwilightGardener]

4. LOL! The Catholic League needs to take it up with the Catholic Church, and the Diocese of Chicago.

They're the ones who made him a priest and gave him his own parish.

[Qutzupalotl]

66. EXACTLY.

[knixphan]

68. ex-ACT-ly.

[JerseygirlCT]

75. But they're never at fault...

it's important to remember that.

[PoliticalAmazon]

77. They are a political tool; nothing more, nothing less. ....

Just like the Moral Majority and the Christian Coalition. They were created to be a political tool, not to promote catholicism.

[polichick]

5. LOL - you mean the club that enables pedophiles?!?

[Politicub]

6. How f-ing stupid

Pfleger has nothing to with Obama. Silly season run amok!

[shayes51]

7. Thanks for the link.

I also think Obama's judgment on this issue is troubling.

[Occam Bandage]

8. Man, if Bill Donohue questions your judgement, you know

...well, you know you're a Democrat, at any rate.

[DJ13]

9. I hope you're aware that the Catholic League is a rightwing GOP group?

Whats next, Hillary is going to start quoting Karl Rove?

Oh wait.......

[hfojvt]

46. I was not aware of that. I quoted Donohue when he attacked Hagee

Maybe I should have vetted Donohue, but then again, quoting him will play better with Republicans or conservative independents.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

10. Oh noes! Not the Catholic League!

Funny how you cite them as a legitimate interest group on DU and admit that you agree with them.

[rodeodance]

38. so, is Obama throwing Catholics under the bus??

[mrreowwr_kittty]

39. Do you know anything about the Catholic League? nt

[rodeodance]

47. yes, i do .

[mrreowwr_kittty]

49. So you consider them a legitimate group?

Or more accurately, him, since it's pretty much that Bill Donahue guy who is the group.

[MrRobotsHolyOrders]

53. Which part do you like best about them?

Their penchant for espousing censorship, or their use of religion to vilify their opponents?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

56. I'm guessing it's because they're bashing Obama right now.

The enemy of rodeodance's enemy is her friend.

[MrRobotsHolyOrders]

61. Yikes

I bet the White Aryan Nation probably isn't exactly gung-ho for Senator Obama either.

[Name removed]

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[onenote]

65. you won't get an answer from this one. s/he's been struck "dumb"

Or maybe s/he started off that way.

[MrRobotsHolyOrders]

67. Apparently I shouldn't have asked that question

My comment got deleted.

Hey moderator:

Yes, the Catholic League is a hate group, and no, deleting that comment doesn't change that fact.

[Warren DeMontague]

84. So which part of the statement "Hollywood is controlled by secular Jews who love anal sex" do you

agree with the most?

[SemiCharmedQuark]

42. Oh yes, the group that argues against "the gay death style"

We want them on our side!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

11. I bet you agree with the Catholic League a lot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_League_%28U.S.%29

[mrreowwr_kittty]

27. I bet he does too. nt

[gateley]

12. Jeez -- the guy was speaking at a CHURCH -- not at an Obama function!

He wasn't speaking in behalf of Obama, and how the fuck was Obama supposed to know anything about it?

And why blame Obama for one of THEIR people? I'm Catholic and frankly I'm pissed at him -- he KNOWS the flak that it was going to cause. Another ego talking, I think.

This campaign is all about blaming the other guy -- everybody's a victim. It's disgusting.

[Warren DeMontague]

13. You mean Bill "Hollywood is controlled by Secular Jews who love Anal Sex" Donohue's Catholic League?

Speaking of hanging out with strange people.

Nice friends you've found, there. Bill Donohue is a Class-A Asshole.

[DarienComp]

14. I love people who accuse Obama of being a bigot by citing Bill Donahue.

[Warren DeMontague]

16. The important thing is that the Goddess Of Peace get the Nomination she was promised.

All else is superfluous.

[DarienComp]

23. Ugh, "Goddess of Peace".

What a lame-ass nickname that is.

[Warren DeMontague]

28. I think it positively soars!

Soars to new and uncharted heights of ridiculous irony, that is.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

40. This one seriously made me LOL.

As if this group *ever* approved of Obama.

[JerseygirlCT]

76. The irony is so thick it's getting painful. nt

[Spider Jerusalem]

15. Um...Obama is not a Catholic, and doesn't attend Pfleger's church

[Warren DeMontague]

22. And, Bill Donohue is the king of the fuckknobs.

Just sayin'.

[AldebTX]

17. Obama made him Catholic

Then he gave him that anti-Hillary speech to read so he could get more news play ....

sigh... Obama is now responsible for ANYTHING ever said in his church even if its by a visitor.....give me a break.

[book_worm]

18. Hillary gets in trouble for things she says (Bosnia, RFK ) Obama gets it for what others say!

It doesn't make sense. With the exception of his "bitter" comment Obama gets in trouble for what others say.

[AspenRose]

32. Not the first time

Remember Geffen? It's a pattern from early in the campaign

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6384821.stm

[ebdarcy]

19. Bill Donohue? Really?

You do know who he is right?

[Renew Deal]

20. That's like getting morality lessons from the mob.

:rofl:

[global1]

21. The Catholic League Should Get After The Chicago Archdiocese And Not......

Obama. It was the Chicago Archdiocese of the Catholic Church that put this priest in a parish and gave him a platform for which to practice his activism. Obama has nothing to do with this. I don't understand why the Catholic League would come down on Obama. Are they upset with what this Pleger said? Or what?

This is so stupid. Obama should just ignore this as it's not worth dignifying.

[Warren DeMontague]

25. Because the "Catholic League" is just an outlet for far-right blowhards.

They hate Obama because he's not sufficiently interested in incarcerating women who use the birth control pill. That's all.

[napi21]

24. I can't control what priests speak at my church, and neither can Barack.

I admit, most of the guest priests at my church are simply people I can't understand. We have guests from China, India, Mexico, Packistan, etc. I respect them for having learned another language, but I don't enjoy sitting there during a usually long sermon where I don't understand anything they say! This far out priest who spoke at the church Barack usually attends is a whack job and certainly doesn't represent ANY catholic teachings I've ever heard, nor have I EVER heard any priest say things like he did!

Truthfully, I think the media would better serve the public by comparing sermons by Falwell, Robertson, Hagee, Parsley & the like to Wright & Pfleger. At least they'd be comparing apples with apples!

[ErinBerin84]

26. ummm, I'm not going to lose any sleep over being on the opposite side of

The Catholic League, but that's just me.

[Rosemary2205]

29. Wait - I thought that Rev is a CATHOLIC PRIEST.

Did I miss something? If I got that right then they should be bitching at the priest, not at Obama.

:crazy:

[nichomachus]

30. If the phony baloney Catholic League is against Obama

then I'm for him all the more.

The league is a made-up organization designed solely to give that raving lunatic Donohue an opportunity to get his bloated face on television.

It has about as much morality involved in it as Focus on the Family.

[onenote]

31. you and the Catholic League deserve each other:

Here are a couple of other positions you probably share your buddy, Bill Donahue:

"Hollywood is controlled by secular Jews who hate Christianity in general and Catholicism in particular. It's not a secret, okay? And I'm not afraid to say it. … Hollywood likes anal sex. "


or


“As for the alleged abuse, it’s time to ask some tough questions. First, there is a huge difference between being groped and being raped, so which was it Mr. Foley? Second, why didn’t you just smack the clergyman in the face? After all, most 15-year-old teenage boys wouldn’t allow themselves to be molested. So why did you?”


http://www.crooksandliars.com/category/religious-right/bill-donohuecatholic-league/


How do you get the fleas off after you lie down with someone like Donahue?

[islandmkl]

33. how's the Catholic League with Hagee, etc...

oh yeah, the head of the CL accepted Hagee's 'apology' in about 6 seconds...

maybe the CL will have some prayer sessions for all the people who supported this war we have ourselves in the middle of....

fuck that...the CL should worry about what THEIR PRIESTS are doing, let alone saying...

[ampad]

34. OH NOES THE CATHOLIC LEAGUE

"There's a black man stealing my show" :rofl: Free the good father!

[AtomicKitten]

35. Kathy Griffin had a run-in with Bill Donahue who constitutes the Catholic League.

video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re-8MeEBUJ8

Donahue expressed his displeasure with copious hand-wringing, to which Ms. Griffin retorted that she wasn't about to take lessons on morality from people that support child f*ckers.

Booya.

:D

[martymar64]

92. I knew there was a reason that I loved Kathi

That and her impressive twins.

[FredScuttle]

36. The Fail is strong with this one....

The Catholic League??? :wtf:

[SemiCharmedQuark]

37. ROFLOL, the Catholic League...oh man...that's good.

[flpoljunkie]

43. This criticism of Pfleger is rich indeed--coming from the inflammatory bomb thrower Bill Donohue!

[billyoc]

44. The Catholic League is still sulking because they made them stop burning witches.

[indimuse]

45. Pfleger stepped down from 'Catholics for Obama.'

not good for the GE.

[onenote]

55. frankly your ties to the Catholic League are more cause for concern

than Obama's ties to Pfleger.

You've been avoiding the subject like the plague. Do you believe Bill Donahue is someone whose opinion is to be respected? Its an easy question.

[Vinca]

48. Is Obama a ventriloquist? He keeps getting blamed for words

coming out of other peoples' mouths. In this case, he wasn't even in the same region of the country when it was said.

[Prophet 451]

50. Not to dispute that Pfleger was out of line but...

...the Catholic League are as biased and right-fringe as the Christian Coalition.

[MrRobotsHolyOrders]

51. Totally fucking dumb

Remember when Jesus cut Donohue in half on South Park? That was pretty neat.

[blogslut]

52. Ha!

That's rich. Bill Donohue is batshit insane.

[Mooney]

57. The Catholic League is one guy.

Bill Donahue. He's one guy sitting in a basement.

Translation: Who gives a fuck?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

64. I have no earthly idea why that freak gets invited to comment on news shows.

You'd think the actual Catholic Church would have some more capable spokespeople.

[Warren DeMontague]

85. He's loud.

I dunno, maybe that means they can use cheaper microphones.

[AngryOldDem]

99. He's loud because he uses his volume and righteous indignation to hide his ignorance.

Somehow, he thinks if he yells, people will take him seriously.

[anonymous171]

58. O..M...G

Donahue!? Please tell me your aren't siding with fucking Donahue? He's a shame to all catholics.

[Mooney]

60. I hear Fred Phelps doesn't like Obama either!

And neither does Randall Terry.

[anonymous171]

62. Oh no! Obama is finished now!

:rofl:

[PolNewf]

59. Irony

The "Catholic League" attacking Obama for his association with a Catholic priest? I don't know much about this Catholic league but :wtf:

[scarletwoman]

104. The Catholic League is a hard-right fascist organization. It is not part of the Catholic Church.

As another poster noted elsewhere on this thread, Bill Donahue (the head of the Catholic League) makes Jerry Falwell look like a progressive.

Peace,
sw

[salguine]

63. I would never fear "heat" from an organization

that has managed to institutionalize child molestation.

[spanone]

69. be pissed at their priest...he;s the one that said it not barack

[ProSense]

70. More about your hero:

Who is Catholic League president William Donohue?:

William A. Donohue, president of the conservative Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights, has made 23 guest appearances on TV news programs in 2004. Donohue uses his appearances primarily to attack gays and progressives. He has referred to the "gay death style," remarked, "God forbid we'd run out of little gay kids," claimed that Senator John Kerry "never found an abortion he couldn't justify," and claimed that "Hollywood is controlled by secular Jews who hate Christianity in general and Catholicism in particular ... Hollywood likes anal sex."

RW hate monger.

[scarletwoman]

71. You've GOT to be kidding!!! The Catholic League is a reactionary bunch of fundy fascists!

So hooray for Pfleger! Anyone the Catholic League hates is a friend of mine!

Peace,
sw

[DefenseLawyer]

72. Is the Catholic League really just that one guy... yelling?

I'm just sayin. He's the only "member" I have ever seen.

[PoliticalAmazon]

73. Catholic League was started with the backing of Paul Weyrich....

(Free Congress Foundation, Heritage Foundation, perennial ScaifeFoundations fundee), who wanted to use gullible Catholics to build his political influence empire.

This was at the same time the FCF was backing death squads and genocidal dictators in Chile, El Salvador/Nicaragua and RENAMO group.

For more fascinating stuff you never knew about Paul Weyrich and the FCF, visit:

www.politicalamazon.com/fcf.html

[izzybeans]

74. Obama's not doing so well with the Klan either.

Different side, same coin.

[JVS]

78. Hillary supporters siding with Bill Donohue now? Is there any RW asshole they won't kiss?

[chascarrillo]

79. Siding with the Ultra-Rightist Catholic League now? When will this shit stop???

[mythyc]

80. Don't forget Bill Donahue ordered Jesus killed for defying the catholic church

according to southpark at least :rofl:

the OP deserves a granite sandwich just for citing that P.O.S. I though DU forbade references to radical right-wing hate groups as if they were legit....

[farmbo]

81. Donahue is a Republican first and a Catholic second (if at all)...

This man never made a peep about McCain's butt- buddy, Rev. Hagee's "...the Catholic church is the Great Whore.." speech, because, you see, McCain is a Republican.

Yet when some numbnuts preacher gives a sermon in Chicago while Obama is 2000 miles away, Donahue has the audaucity to issue a press release blasting him.

(And...sigh... DUers quote him approvingly)

:shrug:

[Hansel]

82. Yes, Bill quit the Catholic church because of Father Pfleger's

association with it. Oh wait...

But when he found out it was covering for pedophiles for decades he... Never mind.

Bill is a blow-hard idiot and a major hypocrite.

I can't wait until this primary is over so there are no more right wing idiots held up as credible sources on DU.

[ecdab]

83. Trying to make a case to Democrats by using Bill Donohue's words

is just dumb. You might as well be quoting George Bush. Why would you even think to do something so silly?

[scheming daemons]

86. The catholic league needs to look in the mirror. Obama didn't ordain the guy, for chrissakes....

[Starbucks Anarchist]

87. Hillary must denounce and reject right-wing blowhards!

Oh, wait...

[Binka]

89. Bill With The Gambling Problem? Didn't He Write A Book?

The Bookie Of Virtues?

[Starbucks Anarchist]

90. LOL, although that's Richard Mellon Scaife in the picture.

He of "The Clintons killed Vince Foster" fame.

[Binka]

91. Sorry I Got My RW Assholes Mixed Up

Actually I was thinking of Bill Bennett, you know the blow hard with the gambling addiction? He wrote The Book of Virtues, I just "gamed" the title to The Bookies of Virtue. He knows much about bookies NOTHING about virtue.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

93. He has a full house.

But he had to sell it to pay his gambling debts. (Insert groan here)

[Forkboy]

88. Well, thank our upright walking god there's nothing offensive in the book they believe in.

And this OP sure looks like a hit and run.

Hmmmm.

[Catherina]

94. Amazing kennetha. n/t

[Warren DeMontague]

96. Which part?

That someone on DU is actually pretending to be sympathetic to Bill "Hollywood is controlled by secular Jews who love anal sex" Donohue's so-called Catholic League?

Yep. Amazin'.

[Catherina]

97. I'm not so sure they're pretending. That's the amazing part.

The OP is probably such a Donohue fan, they forget where they were posting.

[4_Legs_Good]

95. The Catholic League can go to hell

It is one of the most shameful organizations associated to the Catholic Church. I'm still kinda a Catholic, and they just fill me with disgust. I couldn't give a rat's ass about what they think. I'm not a fan of Catholic bashing by any standard and am a BIG fan of religious tolerance, but these guys take it to a new level and seek to find anti-Catholic sentiment in everything, which is usually just a result of their extreme ignorance.

To be honest, it's things like Pfleger, and his uniqueness, that ocassionally make me believe that the Catholic Church could come back one day from the brink and serve a useful purpose again.

Then I'll come back too.

David

[AngryOldDem]

98. Bill Donahue is a full-of-himself gasbag.

Who gives a rat's ass what he thinks?

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

100. It boggles the mind why the same hasn't happened to McCain over Hagee! n/t

[Bake]

101. The Obots' (perhaps) fatal flaw

Anything that slams Hillary must be right; ergo, Pfleger is a saint and perfectly right to do what he did and say what he said.

What they stubbornly refuse to see is anything negative, even if it negatively impacts their candidate! Pfleger didn't have to do this; AT BEST it was piss-poor judgment because it's going to come back to haunt his protege in the same way that Jeremiah Wright did! But nooooooo, they fall all over themselves justifying Pfleger's comedy routine!

This is going to hurt Obama, needlessly. The guy all but has the nomination; instead of spreading a bunch of divisive crap that is ONLY going to scare more of the bejeezus out of white voters (whom he IS GOING TO NEED in the general election), Obama should be reaching out to the voters who are hopefully going to put him in office! Instead, he's once again playing defense. If you have to explain something, play defense, you've already lost.

That's why this matters.

Bake

[scarletwoman]

103. When someone is quoting a fascist reactionary like Donahue of the Catholic League, there is

no argument to be made.

Posting this article is basically the same as telling me that Goebbels thinks Obama sucks.

It's only going to make me wonder why that person is allying themselves with Goebbels -- NOT worry about why Goebbels thinks Obama sucks.

Bill Donahue is fascist windbag of the lowest order, and for someone to use such a source to tear down a Democrat on a Democratic board is outrageous and despicable. It has nothing to do with defending or not defending Pfleger's antics.

Peace,
sw

[Bake]

107. Do you ever stop and think?

Or do you just see "Donohue" and immediately jujp off the cliff?

Donohue IS a pig; I think we all agree on that. THE POINT, in case you missed it, is that several days later we're still talking about Pfleger instead of talking about the candidates and the issues.

IF YOU HAVE TO DEFEND OR EXPLAIN, YOU'VE ALREADY LOST. That's the point.

Bake

[Bjorn Against]

112. And the reason we are talking about Pfleger is that Hillary supporters keep bringing him up...

If you want to talk about the issues then talk about the issues, but if Hillary supporters want to bring this crap up then they have no business accusing Obama supporters of not being able to focus on the issues.

[anonymous171]

105. Do you even know who Donahue is? He's a republican, for one thing.

[Bake]

109. OF course I know who that pig Donohue is.

That's not the point. The point is, we're still talking about Pfleger's antics days later!

That means we're not the DEMOCRATIC message out, because we're still talking about bullshit. If you have to defend or explain, you're off-message, and that means you lost the day.

Bake

[ampad]

106. I wonder if the eight people who rec this

Are Catholic League fans as well? DU really needs to do some house cleaning.

[hokies4ever]

108. How much money did you flush down the drain donating to Hillary?

:rofl:

[kevinbgoode]

110. Another reason Clinton lot my support

Their blatant use of extreme right-wing groups to support their cause.

[Bjorn Against]

111. I heard James Dobson doesn't support Obama either, maybe Hillary supporters can start citing him

[salguine]

113. As far as I'm concerned,

the Catholic League—or the Catholic Church, for that matter—forfeited their right to ever be nonplussed, offended, indignant, insulted or affronted over anything, ever again, when they oversaw decades of thousands of cases of institutionalized child rape and covered it up. Fuck them.

[bullwinkle428]

114. Catholic League : one douchebag with a PC

In some ways, GD: Primaries sometimes feels like it's been overrun by scads of Catholic Leagues...