Hillary supporters-Will you vote for Obama in Nov. (assuming he's the nominee?)

[jenmito]

No poll. Just yes or no and why not if no. Thanks.

[jenmito]

1. kick

[Uben]

2. No way....

.....I would vote for anyone else! If Obama is the one, he gets my vote.

[jenmito]

5. Thanks, Uben.

:hi:

[Tellurian]

Can't if he's not the nominee..

msnbc just said his favorables have dropped to 42% down 13pts since Feb. That means his unfavorables are at 58%.

[jenmito]

6. I said IF he's the nominee...

[Tellurian]

17. haha...good one!

:hi:

[jenmito]

20. Thanks...how 'bout this one?

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[Tellurian]

18. wow...I'm glad you want any dem..

[texastoast]

22. And your choices are . . . ? n/t

[WeDidIt]

25. Since there's only one Dem left standing

and that's Obama, it's pretty clear you either vote Obama in November or you are for McCain.

[Tellurian]

27. I'd appreciate you not trying to think for me..

since there are two dems left standing..

[WeDidIt]

29. I'll admit, one is still standing and one is still crawling towards the finish line

but it's over on Tuesday and Obama will be the presumptive nominee in all metrics.

You may want to get used to it.

Hillary Ain't 44.

[Tellurian]

31. This is a historic race

"It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong woman stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the woman who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends herself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if she fails, at least she fails while "daring greatly", so that her place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."

Teddy Roosevelt, speaking at the Sorbonne in Paris, April 23, 1910

[WeDidIt]

33. Yes it is, but history is a cruel mistress

and it's a fact that every last time a contentious convention was held by a party in the past forty-four years, the party with the contentious convention lost.

Every last Super Delegate knows that fact. Hillary Clinton recognizes that fact and knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that if she takes it to the convention and Barack Obama loses, she will be the most vilified political figure in recent memory. More vilified even than George W. Bush.

Hillary Ain't 44

[Tellurian]

34. Well then, I hope they align themselves with her because she can win the general.

Hillary has been vilified. It's not something she fears. She will make a great president.

[WeDidIt]

37. IF it goes to the convention, NOBODY can win the GE

That's an historical fact.

[Tellurian]

39. Nothing is impossible.. she is beating McCain in every poll.

17 million people have already cast their vote for her.. Chill out.

[WeDidIt]

42. Dude, everybody knows, it it goes to the convention WE LOSE

Parties that take it to the convention ALWAYS LOSE!!!

1988 DEM - Jackson goes to the conventiion where his supporters demand he be given the Veep spot because he came in second. Dukakis loses

1984 DEM - Hart goes to the convention, Mondale loses.

1980 DEM - Kennedy takes it to the convention, Carter loses

1976 GOP - Reagan takes it to the convention, Ford loses.

1972 DEM - TOTAL WEIRDNESS at the Dem convention with new rules and non-porportional delegate allocation. Strange sessions starting in the morning and running through to the next morning. McGovern loses.

1968 DEM - McCarthy takes it to Chicago. Riots in the streets. Humphrey loses.

1964 GOP - Nelson Rockefeller takes it to the convention against Goldwater. Goldwater loses.


Your polls are meaningless because you do not unite the party after a contentious convention in the television age.

[Tellurian]

44. But you're the only one pushing it..She's fighting for the nomination..

not the general election, not yet anyway. This election cycle is the best of times for a Dem to be elected. So save the drama for another day. I'm not impressed.

[WeDidIt]

46. It's not drama. It's fact

You cannot unite the party in two months. IT simply cannot be done.

What you are saying if you want it to go the the convention is, you want McCain to win. That is the only conclusion.

With that, it no longer serves any purpose for me to discuss the issue with somebody who is obviously a MCCain supporter.

Hillary Ain't 44

[Tellurian]

50. The Clintons have been the only Dems to win the White House

in modern times. I can't say the same for the last 2 nominees.

Here is some historic "uniting" evidence for you..as we type away:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6188500

[WeDidIt]

52. The Clintons did not have floor fights at their convention

and had Ross Perot sucking off Republican votes.

[Tellurian]

54. You'll just have to keep your powder dry and wait to see what happens..

otherwise, you'll sound like Chicken Little telling us the sky is falling..

[WeDidIt]

60. Actually, no I won't

It's ovious the party elders have spoken with Hillary and she is preparing to concede next week.

She knows the implications of a convention fight and what it means to Democratic chances. She also knows the likelihood of winning in a floor fight is almost nil.

She'll be the good Democrat and concede in the end. There's no longer any fighting it. She fought the good fight and came up short and I certainly understand her taking it all the way when there was at least something resembling a chance for her to win because the other dynamic in this race is the incumbent president has the lowest approval ratings in history, the economy is in the tank, and it's the end of a second term for the incumbent party.

Her year, though, was 2004. She would have won the nomination hands down and she would have destroyed George W. Bush in the general election. Ironcially, Barack Obama would have been nothing more than a novelty in the Senate had she chosen to run in 2004.

[Tellurian]

83. She is going to do whatever she needs to do to Win the nomination

That is her right, she's earned it! Hillary is the better of the two candidates, hands down.
Every poll has her beating McCain. I stand behind her in whatever she want to do.

[Doityourself]

89. Glad you'll stand behind her in whatever she does..that's mean you will be endorsing &

voting for Obama...soon.

[The Doctor.]

96. So you realize she'll tear the party apart to get what you and she think she's "earned".

Amazing.

[Auntie Bush]

70. Why!

"More vilified even than George W. Bush."

Was Teddy Kennedy vilified when he took it to the convention...or anyone else for that matter? Why is it always Hillary's or the Clinton's fault?

If we lose this election it will be because Obama lost the white working class and the woman's votes due to the misogamy toward Clinton.
Hateful Obama supporters don't help either. His supporters turn off more people than they turn on.

[WeDidIt]

73. Because the ONLY way the Democrats lose this year

is if somebody takes it to the convention.

[jenmito]

76. An inconvenient truth for Hillary and many of her supporters...

apparently.

[Auntie Bush]

77. Sorry, but he may lose the GE even if it doesn't go to the convention.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

[jenmito]

78. Are YOU going to vote for Obama or are you going to try to make your prediction come true?!

[Auntie Bush]

79. I'm still deciding!

November is 5 months away and I'm in no rush to make any decision!

[WeDidIt]

82. If you want to stick with DU your decision will have to come sooner

you'll get a week after Obama becomes the presumptive nominee.

And Obama officially becomes the presumptive nominee next week...

[Auntie Bush]

87. What makes you think I have to make up my mind by next week?

DU or you have no idea who I will vote for. I could go Rah, Rah Obama and vote for someone else and I will vote for who I want in the voting booth. If you think everyone on the board will be for Obama next week...you are naive.

We can join in on any discussion we want...as long as we don't push negative comments regarding Obama. I have actively been pushing Hillary...and till just recently I never made anti Obama comments....so I doubt if I'd have trouble following the rules.

It's you that regularly post negative nasty comments about Hillary. It's you that will have trouble following the rules if Hillary were on the ticket. Good luck with that problem..should it arise.

[WeDidIt]

81. Nope, the dynamics are too favorable

You have an incumbent president with the lowest approval ratings in history.

You have an economy in the tank.

And you have an election after two terms of Republican rule.

The only way the incumbent party can win under those conditions is if the opposition party has a contentious convention.

[Doityourself]

90. You must think all Hillary supporters are loveable...lmao..get real Auntie Pat

[Doityourself]

88. You are arguing with Harvey..lmao..don't bother..

[emilyg]

36. Ugly.

[mckeown1128]

19. Selective poll quoting as usual.

Obama's RCP average for Favorables is 12.0
That's higher than McCain's at 10.4
And 3 times higher than Hillary's 4.6


But nice spin. I remember last year when you and savelmer(who sadly left DU when Obama started losing) used to shove polls down Obama supporters' throats. You use to be a champion of polling averages...(back when the averages looked good for Hillary)

My, my how the boastful and arrogant have fallen.

[Tellurian]

26. you shouldn't think of it that way..

information is information. It's up to the beholder to disseminate it, understand it, and file it away for the future to make informed decisions. No need to get all cranky about it. What I posted shocked me as well. A complete 180 from Matthews tonight spiking Obama. I mentioned it in passing because there was no explanation accompanying tonight's revelation.

anyway, have a good night. I'm planning on it!

[grantcart]

21. lol thats not true - you don't understand how they measure unfavorables.

You could have a favorable rating of 42 and and unfavorable of 2%.

FYI Intrade which is the most accurate predictor of future events - far better than polling - in which people invest actually on what they think is likely outcome has Obama at about 57.7 and McCain 38.1 at only http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6180124

In addition McCain's support is very soft while Obama's is very strong.

For example McCain is only polling 50% in his home state of Arizona and Obama has 10%. Obama leads McCain by 30 points in Illinois.

And the Libertarian party nominated a Republican Congressman Bob Barr to run and if pulls just 4 points from McCain across the US it will move 8 'safe republican states' into contention.

[CreekDog]

35. yes or no doofus (I answered on the Obama thread)

[muryan]

40. You have a basic misunderstanding of favorability polls

There aren't only two options.

[billyoc]

3. Kick.

(are there any left?) :shrug:

[jenmito]

8. I guess there are 2 so far.

:shrug:

[LisaM]

4. Pass on answering this

I think it's an effort to find someone who says no and then demand to get them kicked off the board. There's way too many of these type questions. If you answer wrong, you get presented with a long list of THE RULES.

[jenmito]

7. So that's a "no" then...

got it. I'm not out to get anyone kicked off the board.

[John Q. Citizen]

14. That's funny. Like you could get someone kicked off this site. They get themselves kicked off, but

won't take responsibility for not following the rules.

[jenmito]

15. They're paranoid.

:shrug:

[GoldieAZ49]

9. I believe you have them pegged

perfectly

[jenmito]

10. I'm NOT trying to get ANYONE kicked off the board! It's a simple question that I guess you can't

answer!

[LisaM]

12. This question has been asked over and over

It's clearly an attempt to get someone worked up and give a "wrong" answer.

[jenmito]

13. Not by me. And again-it is NOT an attempt to do ANYTHING but get the question

answered. There were so many about Hillary if you forget. And so many threads started by people saying they'd never vote for Hillary!

[CreekDog]

43. why won't you vote for the nominee no matter what?

we aren't asking you to vote for Fidel Castro.

i consider the votes of half hearted Democrats a lot less valuable in choosing our nominee, FYI.

[emilyg]

38. I'll pass, too.

Nobody's business.

[Beacool]

45. Yep, you said it!!! n/t

[jenmito]

48. Then I have your answer.

[CreekDog]

41. you can't be kicked off for saying yes

yet you refuse.

funny, i was on the Obama supporters thread saying I will vote for the nominee no matter what (yes, even if it's Clinton).

[greguganus]

84. Not me! If hillary is anywhere on my ballot she will not get my vote. n/t

[shaniqua6392]

16. I have seen this question asked so many times already.

It is really a personal decision that one makes when they get in the voting booth. No one will know until the day after the election. Let us hope that Clinton supporters are not so angry that they don't vote for Obama when they get into the polling place. I hope the real world Obama supporters out there do not treat Clinton supporters like they do on DU. If they did, we would be screwed. President McCain?? Scares the crap out of me.

[Elspeth]

23. I'm a ticket voter: the Dem ticket will get my vote if they run a banana slug

or Obama.

[jenmito]

24. Glad to hear it!

:hi:

[Elspeth]

28. Now I would be glad to hear if Obama supporters would stop with calling me

*racist
*white supremacist (family members)
* assassin or someone who has a desire for Obama's assassination

and of course all the other insults that have been lobbed at me and other Hillary Clinton supporters. I am still hoping that Clinton can pull this out.

[jenmito]

30. So would I...

I've never called anyone any of those things.

[emilyg]

49. You haven't.

:hug: I thank you.

[greguganus]

85. Walk it off. Be a man! n/t

[Beacool]

47. I think I prefer the banana slug.............

:7

[greguganus]

86. Hillary won't be on the ballot. Sorry. n/t

[Beacool]

94. He won't get my vote. Sorry. n/t

[Doityourself]

91. I bet you do...no diggity no doubt..no surprise either

[Aloha Spirit]

32. I think this will be a good question to ask in a couple week's time, after people have a

chance to size up McCain.

[jenmito]

53. You'd think people who posted here already know all about McCain.

I don't know what more they have to learn.

[Aloha Spirit]

63. Yes, that's the mistake I made, thinking that people were familiar with McCain.

[jenmito]

64. Are they NOT?

[Condem]

51. Yes.

[jenmito]

55. You're a Hillary supporter?

[Condem]

57. caught like a thief in the night!

Just checkin' your threadwatchin, jenmito. It'll be over Wednesday.

[jenmito]

58. Ha!

Caught ya. I know. :)

[susankh4]

56. NOYB

What I do in the voting booth is private.

But, you can be sure of this: I will vote for the candidate best prepared to run our country.

[jenmito]

59. Hillary says McCain is that person. I guess you agree.

:shrug:

[Beacool]

95. Then you won't be voting for Obama.

:D

[jenmito]

61. kick to compete with the copycat thread

[aka-chmeee]

62. Certainly..

I will hold my nose and mark the block for Obama and try to forget all the crap I have read from his DU supporters.

[jenmito]

67. Good. I'm glad you won't let anonymous posters on a message board influence your vote for

the next president.

[Zomby Woof]

65. How many times must this be asked?

Jesus Christ and General Jackson, people. We're going to vote for him. Anyone who threatens otherwise is either yanking your chain because you pissed them off so badly, or they are a troll.

But actual Hillary supporters, and that means people not necessarily posting on this asylum, WILL VOTE FOR OBAMA.

Let this question fucking rest. It only plays into the trolls and provocateurs' hands.

[jenmito]

66. I've NEVER received an answer from any Hillary supporter. And check most of the

responses on this thread!

[Zomby Woof]

68. DU is not reality

I have been here since Year One, and I am telling you - DU is not a representative sample of the liberal or progressive population.

We're like the agitated-just-got-kicked-by-a-kid anthill of Democrats and progressives. :-)

Or for a simpler analogy: we're the funhouse mirror, on acid.

[jenmito]

71. I hope you're right!

I'll have to take your word about the funhouse mirror on acid analogy. :D

[Blue_In_AK]

69. I'm not a Hillary supporter, I'm not an Obama supporter

but I'll vote for either, although I wish it were someone else.

[jenmito]

72. Good enough!

:)

[Blue_In_AK]

74. It's what it all boils down to, after all.

We MUST unify. The possibility of a McCain presidency is just way too alarming.

[jenmito]

75. Ya'd THINK.

:shrug:

[jillan]

80. Of course.

[avenger64]

92. Not a chance .....

.... Ralph Nader's beliefs are much closer to my own.

[juajen]

93. No.