Donna Brazile SOCKS It The Clinton Campaign/Supporters

[kpete]

Donna Brazile comes out!
by Jena
Fri May 30, 2008 at 04:56:45 PM PDT
She really socks it to the Clinton campaign/supporters - it's stunning stuff. Inter alia,


"What would Democrats gain by taking this debate any further, especially when the party is now engaged in the kind of polarizing politics that we once denounced the GOP for using for partisan gain. What can be won by tainting the process, arguing the rules are now unfair, or worse, the Republican rule of winner-takes-all should have guided the Democrats as well? All this fuss is simply about saving face and waiting to see whether some awful thing tarnishes the presumptive nominee. It's shameful, short-sighted, mean-spirited and morally unacceptable. Now, I said it.

To my longstanding friends in the feminist community who have called out the media as being culturally sexist and misogynistic, it is time to help educate the American public about the corrosive impact of sexism in politics and elsewhere. But we can have this dialogue without using divisive language and political tactics that further threaten to divide our country and party. If another woman comes up to me in an airport and suggests Obama should wait his turn, I might scream, "Stop it!" This is not about who should be first, it's about who has the most delegates and who might make the best president of the United States.

The most tragic thing I have heard is this need to link the Obama camp to pundits inside the media who have used the "math" historically used to call an election with attempts to push Hillary out of the race. After all, when the senator held a lead in every national poll in 2007, the media described her groundbreaking campaign as being inevitable. No one called that sexist."

For the entire statement:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/30/194921/473/22/525769

[EFerrari]

1. Omg. I'm agreeing with Donna Brazile.

lol

[rwheeler31]

2. She knows.

[Florida4Obama]

3. does that mean shes gonna endorse OBAMA???

does that mean shes gonna endorse OBAMA???

[Swamp Rat]

6. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[grantcart]

10. She has made it clear that she doesn't want Super Delegates to over turn the pledged delegate

number. She said it very early on.

[rodeodance]

41. tsk, tsk. since when the sd's listen to that blabber -mouth!

[davidpdx]

4. She's still being pretty coy

but at least she is pushing the idea that the this is over. Come on Donna...endorse him!

[George_Bonanza]

5. yay donna

[RNdaSilva]

8. Ditto

http://negativecoolpoints.blogspot.com/

Good read.

[chill_wind]

7. Donna is slowly starting to surprise me. I didn't know she had it in her.

I'm LIKING it!

Her agressively putting Campbell Brown in her place on CNN a couple weeks ago on Primary Night was awesome!

[jillan]

9. Donna Brazille - the same person who slammed Kerry after the 2004 election??

And I care what she says because??

[Tarheel_Dem]

11. And from the tenor of the article, I think the feeling is mutual? Donna

seems to be asking why she should care what you and Hillary say. :-(

[Bodhi BloodWave]

13. Fairly obvious question i think but

if you don't care...why post?

[Lady-Damai]

14. What did she say about Kerry?

[jillan]

20. That he lost because he wasn't a good candidate.

Think what you want about Kerry. I think he would have been a better President than he was a candidate. BUT I couldn't get over the fact that she would publicly slam him right after the election.

I really have a problem with Dem pundits slamming other Dems.
Divided we fail.

[my3boyz]

22. It pains me to say this but she was right. I do think he would have been a better

president than he was as a candidate. As a candidate he was always making mistakes and playing right into Rove's hands. They started to paint him as a flip-flopper and then he gave them examples to prove their point. I never dreamed he could lose against Bush. I think if he had been able to define himself (rather than let them define him) he would have had a much better shot at winning. A good thing that came out of it is that Obama saw the mistakes that Kerry made (and Dean as well) and was able to come in this campaign bigger and better. He saw what happened to Kerry so he responds almost immediately. Then he also saw the success that Dean had with the internet and energizing young people and he sought out to improve on that. Even though Kerry and Dean did not win the presidency they truly helped Obama to become the outstanding candidate that he is today.

[jillan]

23. My point is that Dems should never bash other Dems publicly.

We need to stand strong together.

She should have kept her mouth shut. It was too soon to say that.
We were all still in shock.

[my3boyz]

28. True! I remember Carville immediately afterwards kept saying "It's OVER! It's OVER! Even as the

Kerry campaign was saying that there was still a possibility that he could squeak out a win. Carville just stamped that hope out immediately. I admit that did hurt.

[iconicgnom]

30. Maybe Carville figured out what to do while he was

snuggling up with Mary Matalin late at night, relaxing in bed after a tiring day. I can't even begin to imagine the sweet nothings that they whispered in each others ears.

[SusanaMontana41]

89. Thanks for planting

that picture in my head.

:puke:

[Raksha]

38. Right...the very LAST thing Carville wanted

was for Hillary to have to run against a Democratic incumbent in 2008. But it looks like things aren't working out the way he planned.

I think Carville was the driving force behind Kerry's premature concession, when it was so obvious the Ohio vote was stolen. Of course Donna Brazile also played her part in the whitewash of the Ohio fraud, and I haven't forgotten or forgiven her yet. But this most recent statement makes me like her a little better than I did before. Not much...but a little.

[DWilliamsamh]

92. Mind if I quote you on that the next time HRC slams Obama or Praises McSame?

[eridani]

25. Dean had the Internet strategy, but not the ground game to go with it

Obama has both.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

57. His ground game was good by 2004 standards.

By 2008 standards? Not even close.

[eridani]

85. There is an extensive US News & World Report article indicating otherwise

Unfortunately now in the pay to access archive. Dean's Iowa ground game consisted of bringing large numbers of outside volunteers in, who then required the kind of attention from the campaign that should have been devoted to cultivating local contacts. Kerry hired a guy with a lot of experience organizing for caucuses who got a lot of local people trained. They were asked to get signed cards as statements of support for Kerry, and to specifically avoid fooling themselves about the intentions of "maybes."

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

94. The actual success in the Iowa caucuses was vote swapping.

Kerry<-->Gephardt
Edwards<-->Kucinich

Kerry got Gepgardt's fractional votes, Edwards got Kucinichs'. That's not to say that there weren't a lot of neophytes in Dean's campaign. The Congressional Club circled their wagons.

[eridani]

95. The article I mentioned is worth your while if you can get a library copy

It details Kerry's ground game in detail. Dean was way short on local contacts working for him.

[eridani]

24. Blaming Kerry when practically the whole Dem party was dedicated to the Repuke meme

--of "tough on terror," "war hero," the single most important job of the president is to be commander in chief, etc. Kerry wasn't responsible for that.

[defendandprotect]

36. Kerry wasn't great; but he was better than Bush --- it's computer steals that are the problem--!!!

AND PLEASE NOTE . . . .
they have been going on since the mid-1960's when the computer counters began to come on line ---
See: http://www.constitution.org/vote/votescam__.htm

You can read the story here of two journalists in Florida who first began to investigate the
computer steals . . . in late 1960's!!!!

[SharonAnn]

81. Hmmm, in FLorida, eh? Who would've guessed?

[eridani]

83. They can't be all that confident in computer steals--

--otherwise why would the Repubs also be doing voter suppression?

[crickets]

90. Georgian who hates computer voting machines here - thank you for that link.

Bookmarking to read tomorrow when I'm better rested. What a day. :)

[merh]

27. Oh, but you have no problem with dem candidates slamming their

opponents by boasting that the RNC candidate is more experienced? :shrug:


LOL

[iconicgnom]

29. I clearly remember wincing. The first day of his campaign:

"I'm John Kerry and I'm reporting for duty" with the salute.

I hung my head and told myself, breathe slowly and deeply, count your breaths.
Unbelievable as it should've been, I already knew he was going to lose.

Lemme put it this way: what he is as a politician and a man of principle aside, he was a crappy "candidate". His message was out of sync because he let Bush and the neo-cons define it. Esp. the whole bullshit emphasis on the US pres as being "commander in chief" of a war operation.

Obama, in contrast, has never given me anything remotely like such an unpleasant moment.

[my3boyz]

31. EXACTLY!!!! I totally agree! He was not a good candidate. :( nt

[swilton]

63. Kerry and the Democrats tried to play the military card -

I think that DNC chairman, Mcauliffe (sp) had something to do
with that...the idea that the Democrats can beat the
Republicans at their own game - the political strategy of
playing the military card and being stronger on national
security.

The way John Kerry fell for the swift boating - he should not
have run from his anti-war position in the Vietnam War.  His
congressional testimony took a lot of courage and getting out
of the war saved a lot of US soldiers' lives.

The national security = defense is a losing proposition for
the Democratic Party.

In 2002 when Maryland Lieutenant Governor Kathleen Kennedy
Townsend picked a retired admiral as a running mate in the
gubernatorial election  and lost miserably.  She had numerous
and more qualified non-military candidates to choose from. 
Similarly, in Fla. the DP supported a former Vietnam Vet (no
other experience) over Janet Reno in the primaries.  Janet
Reno lost the primary and the Democrats lost the race for
governor of Fla.

The DP should look at the issue of the definition of 'national
security' in terms of health care, environmental quality etc.,
etc. rather than just in terms of physical strength and a big
military budget.

[dglow]

46. The Truth

Kerry didn't lose in 04. Like the coup of 2000, the facts are clear. The election was stolen by the same thugs who grabbed the presidency from Gore. The data is irrefutable. And guess what? The 06 congressional election was also tampered with. Rove knew that he could keep Congress in gridlock by manipulating several races that should have gone to Dems (the data shows the Dems should have won 50 seats. The Dems were giddy that they gained 29 of those seats.

All this hullabaloo about Florida and Michigan delegates has the Repugs laughing in their beer. The fix is already in for 08. The radical Busheviks won't give up control, knowing that they may face war crime tribunals. Even if by some miracle, Obama garners enough votes to overcome the fix, the new president will never take office. Martial law exercises have been going on for the last few weeks in several states (Alabama, Tennessee, and soon in Indiana). Wonder why?

[bbgrunt]

77. thank you. he didn't lose.

[muryan]

12. About time

the more we see stuff like this, the better.

Not that I'm for calling out Clinton supporters but they've gotten a free ride on the "math/sexism" claims from the media

[OzarkDem]

15. Brazile lost Dukakis & Gore races

The woman is the kiss of death for Dem candidates. Why would anyone listen to her opinion?

[Rene]

16. Donna Brazile is a loser. Knew it from the first time I saw her on the Gore campaign.

I wince every time she opens her mouth. Such a self serving idiot loser. She and her good friend Karl Rove are disasters for American politics. She knows nothing about what the vast majority of Americans are feeling tonight. I'm so totally pissed at Pelosi and Reid and Dean that I could spit nickles. THEY're running the Democratic party into the ground. The VAST majority of Dems out here do NOT want obama as the nominee.
Go Hillary.....Take the fight to the convention floor. You're the best Candidate.

The Office of the President of the United States of America cannot be b o u g h t.
You, Hillary represent me. If not the nominee...you'll get my write-in.

[wanpete]

17. you have that right and that is your choice. I disagree with you and hope that you will support

the nominee of the party. If not, and McCain becomes president, consider your write-in as a vote for him and please do not complain about the horific policies he will put in place and the generations of war he will continue and wage.

[OzarkDem]

18. If Dems want to keep losing the WH, keep Brazile around

If they want to win, they should send her to the GOP or a desert isle.

[Imagevision]

87. Obviously quite a few people in here don't know who Donna Brazile is and for what she stands for....

[eridani]

26. Another coathanger fan. The women of America appreciate you

:sarcasm:

[Name removed]

33. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[my3boyz]

34. Her good friend Karl Rove? I think you are mistaken. That is Hillary's

friend. She goes around the country praising how smart he is because he sees things the way the Clinton people see it in their universe. Or at least that is what he tells her! LOL

[Pathwalker]

50. Are you unaware that Donna Brazille called Rove weekly in 2000?

She publicly declared him her FRIEND, and admitted that she might have spilled a few secrets to him about gore's campaign.

[Zhade]

84. Sadly, the poster is right - she is friends with Rove.

NT!

[cyndensco]

53. Did you ever write in a vote before?

[DWilliamsamh]

93. If the vast majority of Democrats don't want Obama WHY is he WINNING??!!

Idiot.

[Colobo]

19. GoDonna!

[genna]

21. The right stuff: Live and Direct

http://www.donnabrazile.com/viewNews.cfm?id=277

If she decides to continue to compete for popular votes and delegates, she has every right to do so. DNC Chairman Howard Dean will not stop the process -- nor does he have any right to do so. And that also goes for Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who will chair the convention in Denver.

Democratic primary voters will need time for reconciliation, and the process needs to start sooner rather than later. Healing takes time.

Both Clinton and Obama agree that once preconditions have been met, speaking to foreign enemies is a necessary first step toward peace. This basic tenet of diplomacy is best practiced by first being able to speak to one's colleagues at home.

At the very least, however difficult, it's a good place to start. Come dawn on
the fourth day of June, it will be high time to lay down arms, leaving hands free to pick up the olive branch and unite before going into battle.

Subtext: The last vote is counted on June 3rd. There are no more popular or pledged votes to be counted. Figure out whether or not the SD support you and accept that outcome. We have a real battle to fight against Republicans and we need to suit up.


I HAVE SO enjoyed her comments throughout this primary especially when it came to finishing her point and explaining the DNC process of thinking to everyone else. I'm glad she has stood up for herself when someone approaches her in airports and in other places.

You go woman!

[pingzing58]

52. All the way to Denver baby!!! Like in the old days.

[shadowknows69]

32. Someone's actually suggested "Obama should wait his turn?" to her?

That's pretty bold telling a black woman that the black man should get to the back of the bus.

[cyndensco]

60. Been hearing that through the whole primary...

hillary s/b pres. 2008-2016; Obama could take it in 2016 and we'd have 16 years with a democratic president! He needs to wait his turn. (Someone also suggested that he could be her V.P. and bill could "get him ready" over the 8 years).

The thing is, with the way some of her supporters are sounding, I think they would manage to find a reason not to vote for him if he did "wait his turn". It is so upsetting to hear one of them say that, although she has voted democratic her whole life, this cycle she will sit it out. Something smells....

[defendandprotect]

35. C-span has been showing LIVE today a lot of the discussions . . .

couldn't really pay a lot of attention ---

Did anyone actually absorb ALL of it enough to report on it???

[TexasObserver]

37. When will Hillary understand IT IS HIS TURN!!

You don't get a turn, Hilly. This ain't a ride, and even if it were, you're not tall enough.

[IllinoisBirdWatcher]

40. LOL. Never

In her world, she is the only one there.

[undeterred]

39. I just realized I don't think of Donna Brazille as black or a woman.

She usually seems to have the mindset of a corporate white male. :hide:

[genna]

59. Did you just call a black woman or a woman who is black a corporate white male?

:wtf:

I would say I didn't particularly like her during the Gore 2000 run because I didn't think she demonstrated her large and in charge personality.

Now I see her as showing her merit and showing her worth by saying, guys there is a better way. All I can ask a sister to be is confident in her point of view.


Who are you to judge race and gender in that way?

[undeterred]

70. I'm talking about the point of view she usually espouses.

And on DU, especially GDP, everybody judges everyone. Get off your high horse.

[OzarkDem]

42. GoP-lovin' Donna

Donna, you have zero credibility with Dem women voters. Zero.

You have no record of accomplishment on women's issues or in helping get Dem women elected to office.

Admit it, Donna, if Bush hadn't screwed up so badly and ruined the GoP brand for the next several years, you would be working for them.

Get lost, you lame fool.

[ExPatLeftist]

45. So YOU speak for all Dem women voters?

Well, if you're gonna use the immensely broad brush, may as well slop that fallacious thing around on all sides, eh?

[OzarkDem]

47. Read my post again

and you will see you're wrong.

[ExPatLeftist]

49. Nope, I read it again and it has not changed

You said: "Donna, you have zero credibility with Dem women voters."
Implying that all Dem women voters think alike, which is incredibly ignorant and prejudicial.

[Zachstar]

58. Stop acting like you speak for Dem Women YOU FUCKING DONT!

[William769]

43. Considering she is one of the one's to help start the "polarizing politics" this season

It's no wonder that she wants it to stop now with the outcome she is hoping for. :eyes:

[Cha]

44. Thanks Donna...what the media should do since they're being accused

of "sexism" anyway..is call hilary a hypocrite and use her own words against her.

But, being the WarWhores they are..I'm not holding my breath.

[girl_interrupted]

48. Donna Brazile? Who thanked Bush for the great job he did with Katrina?

The same Donna Brazille that thanked Bush for the great job he did during Katrina? I should listen to her? No wonder Gore lost having this nitwit on his team. You don't have to be a Clinton supporter to want the votes counted, for heaven's sake! Has the DNC lost it's mind? They want to punish voters for voting in an election yeat? This is madness. I don't know how many times I have heard from Democrats when the votes WEREN'T Counted in Florida in 2000, it was "the day Democracy died". Seems pretty hypocritical now. Counting the votes will not hurt Obama, it will actually help, if voters know you give a damn about their votes.

[Cha]

51. Get outa here with your

fucking red herrings.

[William769]

75. Obma is the red Herring

Some people are just to fucking stupid to realize it. :eyes:

[democracy1st]

54. thats a dayum lie

[dsc]

61. You, and everyone else in this subthread, owe that poster a big ass apology

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/16/AR2005091602167.html

New Orleans is my hometown. It is the place where I grew up, where my family still lives. For me, it is a place of comfort and memories. It is home.

Now my home needs your help, and the help of every American. Much of my city is still underwater. Its historical buildings have been wrecked, its famous streets turned to rivers and, worst of all, so many of its wonderful people -- including members of my own family and my neighbors -- have lost everything.


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On Thursday night President Bush spoke to the nation from my city. I am not a Republican. I did not vote for George W. Bush -- in fact, I worked pretty hard against him in 2000 and 2004. But on Thursday night, after watching him speak from the heart, I could not have been prouder of the president and the plan he outlined to empower those who lost everything and to rebuild the Gulf Coast.

Bush called on every American to stand up and support the rebuilding of the region. He told us that New Orleans and the entire Gulf Coast would rise from the ruins stronger than before. He enunciated something that we all need to remember: This is America. We are not immune to tragedy here, but we are strong because of our industriousness, our ingenuity and, most important, because of our compassion for one another. We are a nation of rebuilders and a nation of givers. We do not give up in the face of tragedy, we stand up, and we reach out to help those who cannot stand up on their own.

The president called on every American to reach out to my neighbors in New Orleans and throughout the Gulf Coast. The great people of this country have already opened their hearts in the immediate aftermath of the storm, and their tremendous generosity has done more than just provide extra comfort -- it has saved lives. Now the crisis of survival is over. But the task of rebuilding remains, and the president made it clear that every single one of us has a role to play.

end of quote.

Go and look. Not a single. solitary word of criticism at all about his handling of Katrina.

[girl_interrupted]

64. dsc yup.. Brazile had "never been prouder"

thank you for putting up the link before I had the chance http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/16/AR2005091602167_pf.html

I wonder how "proud" Donna is now? I couldn't believe it when I read what she said. But it gets even better..Donna telling Cindy Adams in an interview that "bush was a stand up guy". Who bush was "standing up" for is beyond me. I don't pay attention to anything Donna Brazile says anymore...I think she's nuts. And I'm a woman, so I guess it's safe to say it without sounding "sexist".

[ExPatLeftist]

66. So no one but women can criticize women....

without it sounding sexist?

[Tarc]

55. Yep, the same one. What a little scumbag she is.

hardly surprising, but Brazille has always been one of the more spineless of the collection of talking heads we see on the airwaves.

[Doityourself]

56. Put down that bitter batch you're sipping on...its over!

[Creideiki]

62. Didn't Obama have enough of a gay problem before Brazile joined his camp?

Seriously. Do you want us to stay home?

[ExPatLeftist]

65. She did not join his camp.

She stated her opinion at the meeting (which might imply her support of him (and not vice versa), but she is still an uncommitted SD), and there is nothing to indicate that she represents him or speaks for him or has been "approved" by him.

The smear by association thing is getting really old.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

68. Because President McCain would have the most gay-friendly administratoni in history

[FVZA_Colonel]

67. Considering the harrasment she's received from people like the posters at Hillaryis44,

I'm surprised it took her this long to say something like this.

[AZBlue]

69. "...who might make the best president of the United States"

Indeed!!
Go, Donna!

[themaguffin]

71. exactly

[LSK]

72. ATTACK THE MESSENGER is the primary attack response to this thread

Can any of you dispute her words without throwing her under the bus?

[ExPatLeftist]

73. Definitely. Logic should be a required subject in high school...

The fallacies thrown around here constantly make me cringe.

[floridablue]

74. She is a loser

Ask the Kerry campaign.

[bbgrunt]

76. good on ya', Donna!!

[MadMaddie]

78. If Donna B has come out with this...then it surely is over for

Hillary.

Donna is smart she had to have been thinking about this for a long time.

[tilsammans]

79. Donna Brazile = loser

Zero credibility with me. She, along with election fraud, cost Al Gore the presidency.

Thanks, Donna, for eight years of Hell. :grr:

[I have all the Power]

80. Donna Brazile is a TRUE Democrat!!

She gets a bad rap but there is one certain FACT about her...She WORKS to ELECT Democrats!!

We could all take a hint from her!

[SharonAnn]

82. I'm on her side in this. Though my candidate won't be the nominee, the good of the party

will be served.

That's far more important than what is now petty bickering,

It looks like our choices will be Obama, McCain, and ???

I have a strong and clear preference for the one with the (D) behind his name.

Yesterday, I talked with my sister who said she didn't vote for Kerry in 2004 because she thought Teresa Heinz Kerry was "harsh". I lectured her about how "this is not sorority popularity contest, for God's sake (and ours)". It's strictly a political choice! It's about what policies we want to see put in place. While we'd love that our favorite is the one that does is unimportant. What's important is that someone puts those policies in place. And a Republican isn't going to do it! Not ever!"

So, after having given that lecture to her, I'm going to take it to heart myself. What's important is the policies that the Democratic Party stands for. I'll be sad if my choice isn't the nominee, but I'll be elated when a Democrat wins. And I'll do everything I can to make that happen.

Now I'm going to have my cookies and milk, go to bed, and tomorrow will be another day.

[think4yourself]

86. Well said, sister.

Thank you for being calm and logical about this.

Peace.

[Imagevision]

88. My two favorite, Donna brazile and Rachel Maddow...

[crickets]

91. That's twice today

Donna Brazile has surprised and impressed the heck out of me. WTG, Donna.

"My mama taught me to play by the rules"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Znob6zUnIM

[barack the house]

96. Wait your turn really arks back to the slave days it freaks me out.