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ballsalicious Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 01:45 AM
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The words we need Obama to speak (If we don't want to loose the Hillary Votes)
Edited on Sat May-31-08 01:50 AM by ballsalicious
http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/columns/story/1091084.html

from Ellen Goodman, Washington Post Writers Group

BOSTON - Somewhere in the waning hours of this interminable primary, I found myself channeling Barack Obama as he began a long overdue and eagerly anticipated conversation ... on gender.

"Tonight, I want to talk directly with the women of America.

"First, let me repeat what I said in Iowa about my deep respect for Senator Clinton. She has indeed 'shattered myths and broken barriers and changed the America in which my daughters and yours will come of age.' There is no one in this country who better understands Senator Clinton's tenacity, resilience, and commitment to public service than I.

"So I want to thank the millions of women who voted for me without ever believing they were betraying the dream of full opportunity for women. But I also want to recognize those millions of women who voted for Hillary Clinton -- women who invested their passionate hope to break the glass ceiling, to complete a symbolic journey to equality.

"In any hard-fought campaign, disappointments are real and there are lingering wounds. But I know those women didn't just support Senator Clinton because they share her gender. They believed that she shares their life experience and understands their needs. They believe that she hears them.

"Well, I stand before you today as the son of a woman who traveled the astonishing arc of an entire generation. The American dream transformed this young mother into an accomplished international worker with deep ties to her own children and profound empathy for the poor families of the world. My mother knew that women's rights were human rights.

"I also stand before you as a partner in a two-worker marriage. Michelle and I have lived the struggles of balancing work and family, paying for child care and the mortgage, finding time for our jobs and our children. We, too, even now, juggle our own ambitions and our family time.

"I stand beside you as well, as a father, fully invested in my daughters. I share a commitment that their lives will not be limited by an unfinished revolution.

"And so I, too, hear you.

"I hear the older women of American who, like Lilly Ledbetter, worked a lifetime without getting equal pay for equal work. Women who went into retirement with unequal pensions. I say enough of that.

"I hear women who spent decades taking care of others to find that this work diminished their security and opportunities. I hear women who work for modest wages and spend evenings with their husbands -- or without any husband -- trying to decide whether to pay for health insurance or keep the car running. I say we can do better than that.

"I hear the mothers who look at their growing children and wonder if they will have to fight in Iraq. They want to know how to keep those children protected. They want someone who has the strength to combat terrorism but also the strength to avoid the next military misadventure. I say there is a different path.

"I know that poverty most often wears a female face. I hear women of all races speak the same language when they worry about educating their children, or a media culture that undermines their own values. I say we can stand together.

"But I don't just hear you. I will promise you. I will promise that in an Obama administration, helping to bail out families will be more important than bailing out Bear Stearns. Child care will be not be an afterthought, but as basic as school. Family medical leave will be, at long last, expanded to every worker.

"An Obama administration will trust American women to make their own moral and medical decisions about child-bearing. We will not say that the government knows best. An Obama administration will restore our belief in government as an aid, not a hindrance. And we will have women as decision-makers at every table, at every level.

"I don't make these promises because they fit on the platter of 'women's issues.' This I know, from the dreams of my mother and the dreams for my daughters: Most men share these concerns. And I am one of them.

"There's a long way between now and November, and I need your help. You want a president who hears you and shares your hopes. I will be that president. I will be your president.

"Thank you for listening."

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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 01:49 AM
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1. He doesn't need to pander to haters.
Keep your day job Ellen.
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 05:08 AM
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34. people who don't vote for O are haters, but people who don't vote for for hillary are what? saints,
geniuses? what?
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 09:43 AM
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41. Oh, you are just such a uniter and lover of humanity, huh?
:sarcasm:

Thanks for the laugh.
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styersc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 09:51 AM
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43. Screw the traditional Democrats in big Electoral States!!!!!
Screw 17+ million votes.

Messiah Obama can multiply votes like Jesus did with fishes and loaves.

That is the attitude of the Obama camp that has me preparing for a McCain presidency.
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 01:52 AM
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2. I say we loose the hillary votes...
let them be free to follow their dreams :evilgrin:
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 01:54 AM
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4. I say you may well have already lost many of them.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 02:00 AM
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11. Bummer. Maybe we should have let her win after all.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 02:11 AM
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 02:15 AM
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22. Take out the bitch word, and the rest of your argument describes all of them that will sit home or
vote McCain
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 02:26 AM
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29. Now, now, now.....I've never called anyone on this board a bitch.
Or a traitor. Well, maybe I called O'really one.

Low info?? Didn't Herself or her team make that one up??

I will call you specious and self absorbed, though.

Pack that in your fauxoutrage and smoke it.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 02:31 AM
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30. Hey - a friend of yours wants me to pass this along.....


"Since I have the person who wrote the lovely reply to you about monsters and bitches or something like that on ignore and cannot reply in bookmark view, could you just tell them that any dipshit who would vote for McCain (or in some way against Obama) because something an Obama supporter (important distinction, not Obama, but one of his supporters) said hurt their freaking feelings, they should grow the fuck up?"

There ya go!!


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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 02:17 AM
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25. Hey, can you do me a favor?
Since I have the person who wrote the lovely reply to you about monsters and bitches or something like that on ignore and cannot reply in bookmark view, could you just tell them that any dipshit who would vote for McCain (or in some way against Obama) because something an Obama supporter (important distinction, not Obama, but one of his supporters) said hurt their freaking feelings, they should grow the fuck up?

Thanks,
mcctatas

Oh and could you also add that you don't hear Obama supporters making the same kind of threats because of rotten shit that Hillary supporters have said to them....

thanks again...

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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 02:23 AM
Response to Reply #25
28. No problem. Done!! (What Mcctatas said)
:hi:
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 02:46 PM
Response to Reply #28
46. Thank you kindly sir....
:hi:
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 06:29 AM
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37. Obama may have lost the votes of women who want to end Roe v Wade...
Edited on Sat May-31-08 06:30 AM by earthlover
They can't wait for McCain to appoint 3 or 4 more conservative Supreme Court Justices! They like the idea of the government being able to tell a woman what to do with her body. Coat hanger abortions a thing of the future.

Thanks a lot!

But women who value choice will see that not voting to stop McCain goes against the grain of women's issues.

NORAL endorsed Obama. I don't think they would endorse someone like McCain....
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 09:58 AM
Response to Reply #37
45. So you would not want each state to be able decide
like they are able to do regarding gay marriage

interesting
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 06:40 AM
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48. No, I think privacy is a fundamental right and I don't think states have the right to trample on it
Leave choice up to state legislatures, and there goes choice in many of our states.

Has nothing to do with gay marriage.

I don't think the govenment, national or state, has the right to tell a woman what decision she makes on abortion. It should be her choice dictated by her conscience.

Voting for McCain would send 3 or 4 more conservative justices to the Supreme Court.

Abortion rights is just the tip of the iceberg. An 8-1 Republican Supreme Court would rule on civil rights, first amendment rights, fifth amendment rights, the rights of the accussed....

Abortion rights is just one set of rights that would be in jeapardy with a McCain presidency. And of course, leaving these rights up to the states who favor these rights would be one of the arguements for the conservative side. Just as it was when they were defending segregation, I might add.

Do you believe in women's rights or state's rights?
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 01:55 AM
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6. Feel free to sink the Democrats chances in November, then.
We need every vote.
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 01:55 AM
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7. Oh, yeah, and it's lose, not loose....loser.
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 01:57 AM
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9. Oh...
I thought the OP said loose :shrug:

apparently the sarcasm smiley is mandatory for the quick to outrage...loser :hi:
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 02:01 AM
Response to Reply #9
12. Shortage of sense of humor around here lately, huh?
;) Sheesh.
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 02:11 AM
Response to Reply #12
18. Sometimes I forget I'm in GD P...
and then bam, someone calls me a loser and I remember where I am;)
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 01:54 AM
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3. Sheesh. Like it means he's sincere about any of it if he says any of it.
It'll be just more political pandering. I can't believe anyone would fall for it.
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flor de jasmim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 01:57 AM
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8. So, what could he say to convince you? What would be meaningful to you?
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 02:02 AM
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13. Nothing.
He's just part of the "kiss my ass so I can shit in your face" crowd. No integrity. :shrug:
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 02:13 AM
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20. And here's TN with the insults you can believe in.
Knowing nothing about which she speaks.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 02:31 AM
Response to Reply #13
31. but you have to try Artax. Don't give in to the sadness.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 02:22 AM
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27. a hill supporter critical of political pandering
Alex-what is the definition of irony


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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 01:55 AM
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5. Well he has said that 100 times over
So excuse me if I don't give a shit anymore if the women of America can't hear him.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 01:59 AM
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10. well, obambi has lost about 38% of the vote and will go higher.
Just what is the democratic party doing this time? Trying to make a point or do they really wanna win this election? If obambi loses then please do not blame HRC or her supporters. Hell, we been trying to warn ya for months now not to put a rookie in but play our seasoned player. But Nooooooo, you wanna ride the one trick pony.

Then again McCain might blow a gasket and obambi will reap the benefits, and then he will try and figure what to do now......Me thinks obambi should have HRC there by his side to show him, teach him and then things will be alright.

Ben David
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 02:05 AM
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14. Dream on...
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 02:11 AM
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17. Did you forget your Shalom, BenDavid? nt
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 02:40 AM
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32. Apparently he also forgot it was the Sabbath
Oy...
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 09:37 AM
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39. ....
:)
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 02:12 AM
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19. Your pal George tried to warn us just last week.
Bet he'd like to know there's one person in this country who agrees with him. Why don't you tell him?
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 02:09 AM
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15. What about all the men that support Hillary?
I hate this woman = Hillary crap. Appeal to ALL her supporters and then address womens' issues, but jeez - enough with this.
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ballsalicious Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 02:16 AM
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23. men or women - you don't have to be a women to think that somebody is sexist?
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 02:14 AM
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21. The only thing I want to hear from the guy is how we are going to solve the oil crisis.
And I don't want to hear about oil oil oil. I want to hear about a transition to alternative energy please.

As a female, its the thing I am most worried about because this is about the livelihood of everyone I care about.
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 02:17 AM
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24. It might also help if he did an Emperor Hirohito in'46 - renounce his divinity!
I know it would cause some psychic trauma amongst the Obamatrons, but I think that kind of radical truthfulness is what we need, "going forward."
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 02:19 AM
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26. I thought that was really good, man. But clearly logic or flattery are not as effective
as the magic words

ooh eeh ooh ah ah ting tang walla walla bing bang
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 04:57 AM
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33. paragraph 4 suggests that women only vote for clinton because she's a woman. what an insult.
and frankly, it's a little late for to start realizing that women's rights are human rights.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 06:05 AM
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35. A sincere effort. But the comments to the OP show you why it wouldn't work.
Edited on Sat May-31-08 06:44 AM by Perry Logan
Face it, the party has split asunder--very much because of Obama's divisive tactics.

My friends, a whole big-assed chunk of our party is seeing red! Lifelong Democrats are rolling up their sleeves to work for McCain. Even the most eloquent apology won't win them back.
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dcindian Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 06:25 AM
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36. The Hillary votes we will lose we have already lost.
The tactic that Hillary has employed can only be healed by Hillary herself. You cannot change the mind of the unthinking that pure propaganda can induce. No matter of groveling or facts will change the opinion of those affected by the hurt Hillary's campaign has used to garner the emotional vote.

Those people are firmly in the Hillary worship mode. Nothing you, I, or Obama can say or do will change the fact that somehow it was us who caused the pain that Hillary and they through Hillary have had to endure. We are the enemy.

I believe that Hillary does not have the moral fiber to turn it around. She has proven that beyond any doubt to me with her aggressive lack of facts and mean spirited often hateful rhetoric that she will do anything to become president. In my opinion she will not help heal the rift or go quietly into the night. She will out of blind rage at being rejected by Democrats and moderate Americans use any tool necessary to enhance her chances next time.

I think we will all be sitting there crying in the end much like that little 12 year old she accused of asking to be raped wondering why she did what she did.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 08:34 AM
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38. They are already "loose."
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 09:42 AM
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40. Yes, just pander to the females with meaningless speeches......
they will fall for anything, huh? Yes, yes, yes, you are important and stuff, but move aside.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 09:46 AM
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42. I don't understand The Enablers at all. Obama has been praising Hillary Clinton
everywhere he goes, emphasizing how she has broken the ultimate glass ceiling and has inspired women all over the world to aspire to greater potential, including his TWO daughters. What exactly do The Enablers want Obama to do. Lick Hillary's ass and kiss her kneecaps?

Obama is affirmatively pro-choice and has a 100% rating from NARAL. He also has a very high rating from NOW. Again, what do The Enablers want Obama do to, exactly?
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RichardRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 09:56 AM
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44. Seems like a good speech, worth presenting
There's nothing in it Senator Obama doesn't believe and feel. If hearing him say those things, one after another, clearly and directly, would assist anyone to make a good decision then it would be worth delivering.

The Obama folks who object might do well to sit quietly and have a little mental conversation with him and find out what he would want them to do.

The Clinton supporters who object might do well to have the same conversation with her.

The folks who are so outraged by the behavior of supporters of the candidate they don't favor that they can't quiet their minds enough to have those conversations should seek help.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 02:48 PM
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47. He has kissed her ass throughout this campaign
and if that's enough for some, that's their problem, not his.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 06:42 AM
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49. He's already said many of these things. He has not attacked HRC personally....
contrary to what Hillary supporters say.

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