There is something that's really annoying me.

[DerekJ]

How can your government tell you there are 150 Billion dollars unaccounted for, and there is no investigations, total shakeup, resignations, and people demonstrating in the streets?!

What is wrong with you?!

[gateley]

1. What would you do if you were us?

[DerekJ]

16. Before you do anything, people have to care, and feel angered first.

[gateley]

32. What about those of use who do care?

I'm not being argumentative. This is a HUGE frustration to me and makes me so angry when I think of it.

People have complained. Those in Washington have complained -- on camera, anyway. I'm not sure exactly what it is that we can do.

Swear to God - if you know something that can be done - enlighten us!

[dkf]

2. Obama will look into it.

And prosecute anyone ripping off the people. Believe it.

[barack the house]

11. I like Obama but he won't the GOP are a criminal enterprise. The only thing in or favor is America

is now paying attention. What has saved america from going down the brink so that will save the day. This is the genius of Obama getting so many registered was the best and finest solution.Impeachment is off the table Palfrey could tell us why if she were alive. Virtually none of these people will be brought to justice the only way forward is to clean up house and never ever stop watching the boogers. Either Democrat or Republican. Even Randi Rhodes has said even she won't tell us all she knows as she kinda likes breathing and she is no chicken. It is also why Randi says elect Hillary even if she somehow by wild chance gets it, it's the only exit strategy.

[papapi]

3. Good question. How about $20 billion dollars in CASH shipped to Iraq....

...in trailers and completely disappears with no accounting for it whatsoever. Just given to the Iraqis to do with what they will. It's fucked up. Totally fucked up.

[DerekJ]

5. Are you serious?!!

[papapi]

22. As serious as a heart attack. I'm looking for a link.

[papapi]

24. Here it is. Check it out.

http://www.accountingweb.co.uk/cgi-bin/item.cgi?id=175109&d=1032&h=1024&f=1026&dateformat=%25o%20%25B%20%25Y

[DerekJ]

27. ...

:wow:

[barack the house]

14. It fell down the back of the couch or the dog ate it most likely.

[papapi]

25. It weighed something like 360 TONS!!!

Maybe they fed it to elephants (pun intended).

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

36. Note: Not given to Iraqis.

Given to Bush cronies.

Carry on.

[bridgit]

4. cause some of it went into Diane Feinstein's new driveway...

:patriot:

[hfojvt]

6. We're Americans. 150 billion is a bagatelle

:boring: Wake me when we get to real money.

Besides that, where did you hear about a missing 150 billion? I bet it wasn't on Fox News or CNN.

[DerekJ]

9. 150 Billion Can save some 1.5 Million American from poverty. I heard it on KO I believe.

[papapi]

28. $10,000 for 10 years for 1.5 million families. A REAL war, on poverty.

[Cleita]

7. We have allowed idiots to take over.

Therefore there is no accountability. We all learned in accounting class that single entry bookkeeping is an invitation to thieves and that is what we have. I don't know how it will change. We do need to get some old fashioned economics types to get in there in the future to make everyone honest.

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. First off there have been demonstrations

but you'd never hear of them since our corpo press makes sure they are preferably not reported, so folks inside the US and outside the US go... nobody has taken to the streets, when in fact they have

Second off, we have a bunch of congresscritters who are cowards

And third, the pod people took over

[DerekJ]

10. What demonstrations?!! Where?!

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. New york City 2002, 2003, 2004 and so on... all the way to recently

Washington DC, same years

I've personally attended demonstrations in San Diego, starting in 2004

These folks organize them regularly

http://www.unitedforpeace.org/

And of course there is ANSWER though those remind me more of Contrielpro

So yes, there have been demos.

But to quote a classic example

Two years ago we had a demonstration outside the San Diego Union Trib... and there were about 100 people...

When the editor was asked about it by the PBS station, he said where?

Look outside your window! The Editor stood up and left... and did not end the interview. that is a classic of what is going in this country. They learned from Nam... very well.

[DerekJ]

13. I'm not talking about anti-war rallies. I'm talking about some visible anger against the bald faced

middle of the day robbing of the American people right under your noses, and in amounts large enough to end all your problems.

Look Canada is mostly liberal. We had a liberal majority government for a long time. The government mishandled few million dollars not billion, million, and not unaccounted for, just spent unwisely on chartered plans and trips that are not necessary (i.e. for the comfort and pleasure of the MPs).

I'm a liberal, I voted conservative in the last election. The liberals lost the majority to the conservatives.

When does America come first before party loyalty, or candidate loyalty.

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. Point is you have had the anger

but it has been carefully removed from the public eye

Google up Anomie, and how the state creates it... and your answer will be right there

What I described is EXACTLY how you create it

As to anger

What do you think more voters in primary elections than four years ago in the General Election is all about?

It is about anger and wanting things to change... but when you write your congress critter and all you get is flak, and you take to the streets and you know it is never where OTHERS can see it, well it gets frustrating

And for the record... my congresswoman... she's a dem... she is not voting to even have impeachment hearings... I am NOT voting for her.

Best case, we'll get a third party candidate in office. Of course that is a fantasy. Best case she'll win, by a very narrow margin and wake up... worst case will get a Pubbie in place, and you know what? Good riddance to somebody who refuses to do her duty.

Now that does not mean I will vote for the Republican, not even for dog catcher. but I will be voting third party for that office come November... and will work from now on o get a primary challenge to her until she looses, or leaves.

[DerekJ]

20. You know, I feel that most people vote as a tradition. Something like cheerleading their local

football team, regardless of how many screw-up’s they've made over the years.

Not to be ageist or anything, but I get a sense that mostly older people that do that.

[nadinbrzezinski]

33. In the US people come from Republican and Democratic families BUT

you knew that was coming

And the state of California leads this.

The trend to independent, uncommitted, whatever term you want to use... is on the rise

I WAS registered as a dem... I changed to Indie because NEITHER party does exactly what benefits me. I also originally registered as a dem when I became a citizen and knew that the Dems were better for me. Since I started PAYING attention ... well the rest is history.

And that is also going on

More folks are paying attention and the anger, once again, you see it in the number of folks who voted in the primaries. In many states it is well above the vote of the GE in 2004

[barack the house]

17. The news shall not be tlevised most cases little coverage only protests that did occur.

[sandnsea]

15. Well some preacher made fun of Hillary Clinton

so the world came to a stop because we all know that's more important than a witness who admits we were lied into a war or evidence of voter caging or missing billions...

Oh, and don't forget we've got our guns in case the government ever turns into a fascist tyranny. :eyes:

[barack the house]

18. Yep, we gotta ignore siegleman, mclellean, the war and high oil what matter most are wacky pastors..

These are the real issues people who cares baout jobs the future education when what really matters i wacky pastors. It's a contrversy people can't you see it can't you see how the world's future depends on how much we are concerned on what these t2 people did.

[algol]

21. Indeed. What IS wrong with us?

At an individual level, the anger is very high, and mixed with equal parts frustration. I'm pretty sure this is part of the reason that some of Obama's appeal is so over-the-top -- we very much hope that our republic is not on its way to history's dustbin and that Obama can truly turn this mess around.

There are any number of reasons for how we got here, but a large part of the blame is our corporate controlled media which simply no longer function for the people's benefit. The simple existence of an entity like Fox News is a complete outrage. Without any real oversight, our government has simply run amok.

150 billion dollars is peanuts compared to a war started on lies and propaganda. The fact that this collection of thieves, liars and traitors has never seriously been challenged in any real way is something we will never be able to explain to our children and grandchildren.

[Youphemism]

23. It's not lost. It's safely tucked away in our secret Canada Invasion Fund

Shhhh! Don't tell anybody.

[DerekJ]

26. If you elect McCain, I'm moving Canada to Europe because a statement like this might not be taken

as a sarcastic one anymore :)

[Why Syzygy]

29. Actually we know what happened to it. It is now in the pockets

of rich men who rule the financial world, Halliburton, and filthy politicians.

I agree that Obama will get involved. He may even bring it up during his GE campaign. I hope so.
Shortly after Bush took office, there was a $3 Trillion lost in the Pentagon. I ignorantly (at that time) assumed Bush would do something. He sure did. He made the pipeline bigger.

Thanks for your concern and posting the question.

[DerekJ]

30. Holy ... WTF ..$3 Trillion lost .... How the fuck do you lose 3 Trillion?!!

I'm usually never stumped for a comment, but I'm speechless..I've nothing to say.

[Why Syzygy]

31. I think Clark may have mentioned it in the 2004 election cycle.

It's been awhile. You do realize we don't have "real" money here anyway, right? Does Canada have securities backing your currency? Or are y'all on the FED?

[Why Syzygy]

37. I just saw this youtube go up in regards to the trillions...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x140946

[blm]

34. Because the ASSHOLE wing of the Democratic party comes along and PROTECTS BushInc like Bill did

throughout the 90s when BushInc should have been jailed by the end of 1994 for all the matters uncovered in IranContra, BCCI and later on CIA drugrunning operations reported in 1996.

But...it only takes a few fascist Dems to protect BushInc. And THEY are the ones who get their voices heard as the few HONEST Dem advocates for open government and accountability are targeted for marginalization.

[crankychatter]

35. we're just not smart Kuhnoodlians

the difference resides in the noodle

so, um... what's a "free press?"