***OFFICIAL DNC RULES COMMITTEE THREAD 5*****

[frickaline]

Thread 4: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6193317&mesg_id=6193317

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[WeDidIt]

1. Ben Nelson needs to be PRIMARIED

Liebermna his fake ass.

[me b zola]

22. Yep. There are a few others, too

But I'll settle for Bill, although I think he's got 6 years until his next primary.

[lonestarnot]

2. That Nora is disappointed there was no hair pulling yet.

[ekwhite]

9. What else would you expect from Noron?

That is why I am watching it on C-SPAN

[CreekDog]

3. okay TMI

:rofl:

[bicentennial_baby]

4. Shout outs at the R&B meeting...

:rofl:

[janx]

6. I know...

This is pretty entertaining. ;-)

[Ichingcarpenter]

5. Joyner is up now giving her life story

WTF?

[Zachstar]

8. Ya Why do we care?!

More of this pandering bullshit.

[Ichingcarpenter]

16. She is not making a legal argument but an emotional one

Pandering

[bicentennial_baby]

10. She's down with Ramsey Clark

:D

[butterfly77]

14. Is this woman another clintonite?

[Oregone]

26. Isn't she that black woman who demostrates for civil rights and against apartied?

A real black person. Go figure. So you hear that black people...when Hillary steals the nomination, shes well, just like you. Even a Civil Rights supporter likes her. Don't be mad at her.

Tell me Hillary couldn't of chosen a better representative...Joyner's speech is terrible (so I suspect why she's there--maybe there's something I don't know). No logic base, no rules, just emotional pleading. The RBC doesn't deserve to get berated with the garbage. This is the worst speech yet, even more baseless than Nelson. It makes me want the bent logic of Ausman back.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

7. K&R

[gateley]

11. Any idea of how many Clinton / Obama supporters in the audience? nt

[Zachstar]

12. Another Pandering speaker. When do we get to rules and law discussion?

[CreekDog]

13. wow, this is just like fighting against apartheid!

:eyes:

[janx]

These false analogies are getting old. n/t

[ekwhite]

21. I was getting ready to post about that

Jeez - it's terrible about all those years she spent on Robbin Island.

[DarienComp]

15. Joyner: DNC rules = South African Apartheid.

[ebdarcy]

19. Obviously. nt

[stray cat]

37. I didn't know they let insane people speak in the committee

[Renaissance Man]

49. Joyner

Don't worry. These shills talking about the "Republican-controlled legislature" are fooling no black voters, even if Hillary's campaign decides to post up black spokesmen and women to literally ignore the pledge that Hillary signed.

Not ONE FUCKING WORD about the overwhelming support by the Democrats in the legislature that did nothing to separate the primary timing vote from the paper trail bill.

[Zachstar]

17. Raising her voice for some pandering points lol desperation

[Scooter24]

18. She needs to calm down...

and stop shouting this is a civil committee meeting, not a stump speech.

[Mist]

20. Yo, Joyner, this is a rules meeting, not a campaign platform. nt

[Zachstar]

25. Bingo!

[gabby garcia]

29. ha!

i just got finished saying that to my mom!

[stray cat]

43. I missed it - who in the hell is she and what is she doing there?

[Oregone]

50. My thought: Its on purpose. She's trying to turn it into a Civil Rights fight

She trying to invoke emotion by evoking the Civil Rights days/languages and mention of Apartied. I think she is using her time to manipulate the audience and the RBC into viewing the issue completely differently. If she can twist this, by tying it to our Civil Right history, then she can reframe their position as just. It seem a bit ludicrous, but I can see idiots following for it.

Maya Angelou....you got to be kidding me.

[Zachstar]

23. Again seems to lack care of ones that did not vote out of knowing it was useless.

Asshole!

[butterfly77]

24. What in the hell is she talking about...

this is about the rules...

[Ichingcarpenter]

39. North farmer James Bunner....... geez... lady... Tabita and henry

fred and barney need their vote counted.

[ekwhite]

27. Oh my God, Florida is a microcosm of America

We are SO screwed.

[quantass]

40. Let's play Hangman: Can i have a "U" and an "I".

[AllentownJake]

28. This Hillary supporter

is particularly annoying.

What the hell is she giving a stump speech.

[wileedog]

35. This is not helping anyone's cause

[Zachstar]

38. Atleast they are doing it all out and it will be quickly ignored.

[goclark]

109. Just guessing

Maybe they are trying to prove that this speaker speaks for all African Americans.

That way, what she is screaming about speaks for me.

She is representing Clinton,right?

If so, she is not speaking for me or the majority of what African Americans want to happen today in that room.

:shrug:

Did she mention Maya Angelou? If so, she speaks for Clinton.

[Zachstar]

30. I can't believe this stuff is allowed at this metting! WTF!

[grantcart]

31. madfloridian must be under sedation

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

45. I've been thinking of her all morning.

I haven't seen her post today, anyone else?

[janx]

55. Not yet. n/t

[Ichingcarpenter]

46. LOL..... Good one...... Joyner needs to be sedated...n/t

[Tatiana]

91. Hell, I think I need some meds to get through these histrionics that don't advance any argument

:rofl:

[high density]

32. Note: The microphone means you don't have to scream.

Thank you much.

[Ichingcarpenter]

63. Yes it does... because when you have no argument you scream

Just like Bill O'Really

[CreekDog]

33. here comes the list of people, so many anecvotes!

:rofl:

[Scooter24]

34. She has yet to discuss anything in regard to the rules...

and the delegates

[Zachstar]

42. Bingo!

[Oregone]

92. She doesn't need to. DNC=Jim Crow South

Jim Crow South and Apartheid = Bad. DNC = Bad.

Therefore, DNC has to seat all delegates to be Good.

Its emotional manipulation using our worst history subconsciously to re-frame the issue.

Its like if a Jewish person was up there talking 90% about Hitler, drawing parallels, and then completing the argument. Thats been used often in the past. But she chose a black person to do it, so when she steals the nomination from Obama, black people do not hate her.

[H2O Man]

36. Though I do not

agree with Arthenia Joyner on this issue, I think she is a democrat who I have a lot in common with.

[ErinBerin84]

41. no way

I'm not watching, but please tell me that Joyner did not say DNC rules = South African Apartheid? Did anyone watch the Colbert report the other day? "To not let Michigan and Florida count is to say that Kurt Cobain died in vain!"

[harun]

57. Apartheid and about every other thing that ever happened in history

people consider bad.

[TexasObserver]

44. this Hillary woman in the red is quite the blabber mouth

She's not helping their cause any.

Yell more, Hill fanatic, that'll help.

[Scooter24]

47. Talking about paper ballots now...

:rofl:

She's going to cover every Democratic talking point in our platform before she steps down.

[frickaline]

48. she's disqualifying her own statements by her partisan

framing of them.

[grantcart]

If Castro dies can we just give Florida to Cuba?

[ekwhite]

68. What makes you think they would take Florida?

You think you have a bunch of people fleeing Cuba now...

[grantcart]

114. because we have nuclear weapons they must be good for something

[Crunchy Frog]

86. Can we give it to them anyway?

[mamalone]

89. thanks for the lol...

but I hold you personally responsible for the cappuccino on my keyboard;)

[bicentennial_baby]

51. And now the Maya Angelou quotes...

:eyes:

[wileedog]

52. OMG she is so full of shit

We were penalized for creating a paper trail.

[Zachstar]

58. The spin and BS is amazing coming from the Clinton Camp

[harun]

64. This meeting was actually very positive until her, it is now a circus

Dean has to be ready to explode.

[Zachstar]

53. Outvoted by the republicans?

Yet they voted for the bill anyway!

Ha! Desperate so they make excuses

[janx]

70. Their careers on the line.

They exercised poor judgment; their voters will notice.

[ekwhite]

54. Now she is quoting Maya Angelou

Nothing like poetry shouted at the top of your lungs, eh?

[goclark]

113. They must have thought that she was speaking

for the African American voters and that would make everyone sit back and take notice.

Well she doesn't speak for me ~ she needs to shut up and sit down.

Please get up and take you seat in the audience my Sister....,please!

[butterfly77]

56. They voted in record numbers because...

of something else on the ballot...

[gateley]

59. Any Obama supporters in the audience? nt

[Zachstar]

67. I cant believe there is an audience! Is this a meeting or a soap opera?!

[grantcart]

60. lies lies and more lies

[Zachstar]

61. Damn stop yelling idiot!

[berni_mccoy]

65. THIS IS SPARTA!

[Ichingcarpenter]

94. LOL..... Good one...... What is this?

[Ichingcarpenter]

78. I turn the sound off in my living room and I can hear her scream from

my bedroom TV

[billyoc]

62. "Point of order, Madame chair, this is a committee meeting, not a campaign whistle stop".

[yourguide]

66. My state has suffered enough...

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:


WTF???

[Scooter24]

69. My god has 15 minutes not passed yet?!?!

did the man with the stopwatch fall asleep?

[frickaline]

79. she needs to have her say, its the only way

we can know how emotional and not factual it is.

[H2O Man]

Right.

This serves the needs of everyone, as unpleasant as some might have found it. It was a way to let off steam.

[bicentennial_baby]

71. They didn't get to touch candidates...

Erm....ok then.

[ebdarcy]

98. Ok, I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought that was, um, odd.

[dems_rightnow]

Dead Zone

It brought to mid Stephen King's story.

[wileedog]

72. Those poor poor poor FL voters have suffered so much

Nevermind I helped cause the problem that screwed them over. Apartheid!!!!

[Gidney N Cloyd]

"President of the free world"?

[mia]

73. Joyner To Speak For Clinton Saturday

http://www.tboblogs.com/index.php/news/story/joyner-to-speak-for-clinton-saturday/

Posted May 29, 2008 by Billy House, Tribune Washington Bureau
Updated May 29, 2008 at 04:46 PM

Florida Democrats have confirmed that state Sen. Arthenia Joyner, a Tampa Democrat and civil rights activist, will be making the case Saturday on behalf to the Clinton campaign to the DNC’s rules and bylaws panel.

Joyner, an attorney, is vice-chair of the Florida Senate Judiciary Committee and a long-time Clinton backer.

Word of her role in Saturday’s meeting came during an appearance on MSNBC by Clinton campaign chairman Terry McAuliffe.

“We are actually ceding our time to a state senator from Tampa,” said McAuliffe, though he did not mention Joyner by name. State Democrats later confirmed she was the senator he meant.

[AllentownJake]

74. WAHHHH

WAHHH WAHH WAHH

:cry:

Bad pick.

[Mist]

75. Oh gods, enough of the dulcet tones of Joyner. nt

[themaguffin]

76. ugh nelson made me want to puke with his bullshit

[Tatiana]

77. I hope someone asks Arthenia whether she offered an amendment to fix the primary date.

Why didn't she show this sort of passion in trying to keep Florida's democratic primary in compliance with party rules?

[grantcart]

80. now it is clear why they had Ausman go first

[me b zola]

81. Yes Ms Joyner, you in FL have issues

I'll give you that.

[Zachstar]

82. So the voters supposedly got punished by not getting to know the candidates yet she wants such votes

[LiberalAndProud]

83. Floiday wants to pick the candidates and then pick the

president. SD, NE, WY never get candidates in their states shaking hands. SHUT UP!

[Connie_Corleone]

84. Have the lambs stop screaming yet?

[mystieus]

85. argh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CreekDog]

88. whoops, thought she was done there for a minute

:rofl:

[SoFlaJet]

87. why am I only hearing outraged Clinton supporters?

where are the sane voices of the Obama campaign?

[Zachstar]

93. Hopefully they are next

Its time to hear some issues and laws and not opera bullshit.

[billyoc]

100. The Obama people are out campaigning against McCain.

They know this is a fait accompli. :hi:

[harun]

108. I think they are next but most of the Bylaws Committee members are HC supporters

[patrice]

118. As are the remaining Super Ds? nt

[Madam Mossfern]

111. Perhaps because this is supposed

to be an objective resolution of an issue. Got it?

[shadowknows69]

90. Is this the best the Clinton campaign could do?

This woman is barely making sense and she's butchering the english language as well.

[Scooter24]

95. Alexis looks as if she is about to start throwing things lol

[Eurobabe]

103. I have this on mute, the speaker is

has a fucking ANNOYING voice and TONE!!

[janx]

96. My dogs are howling. n/t

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[CaptJasHook]

97. How can they use the argument that the Florida Voters are being punished?

These people are pulling heartstrings, not making legal or logical arguments.

The voters are not being punished, the Democratic Leadership of Florida is being held accountable to the rules.

They are using the voters as an emotional shield.... holding them hostage.

[senseandsensibility]

99. When does someone speak for Obama?

So far I've heard Nelson and this one and I can't take much more.

[Ichingcarpenter]

101. What is this? funny picture

[Tatiana]

102. Alexis Herman can barely contain her laughter and neither can I. n/t

[goclark]

115. Alexis is uncommitted right ~

?

If so, after that last lady, Alexis should be solid with Obama.

[ampad]

104. They had to tell her

that she only had one minute left. Damn her grandstanding is fucking annoying.

[dkf]

105. It was the responsibility of the Florida Lawmakers to provide an

election that would count. They failed.

Wow, this woman is complaining that the Presidential candidates didn't go to Florida? It was your fault! You actively screw your residents and now you blame us? ARRRRGH.

[gabby garcia]

106. thank god

she's close to being done!

[ekwhite]

107. You win Arthenia!

I'll do anything you want if you will just SHUT UP!

[Willo]

110. This is brutal

blah blah blah

[Willo]

112. Huge smile like she won an Oscar nt

[rocktivity]

117. Thank god, I thought she was only annoying me.

x(
rocknation

[sktmax]

116. Go Wexler!