I am hurt and offended that Fl and MI cheated and broke the rules for their own selfish purposes.

[kwenu]

Those of us in other states have NOT forgotten how FL and MI got into this mess and jeopardized their own citizens votes. It's not the DNCs fault. It's not Howard Dean's fault. It's not Obama's fault. It's not Hillary's fault. It's not the fault of the other 48 states who can follow simple rules.

It is Florida's fault.

It is Michigan's fault.

[Coexist]

1. yeah, you are right.

[RazBerryBeret]

2. How many states will try this stunt in 2012?

I think Ohio should be earlier too...

why don't we all have our primaries in January???

[MichiganVote]

3. We're a no fault state. :)

[kwenu]

6. That certainly explains Detroit.

[patrice]

4. I cannot see it having reached this far if anyone but HC were "championing" their "right" to break

the rules that they agreed upon.

[me b zola]

10. That's exactly right

HRC is single handedly creating mass chaos...with much more to come. Who needs the rnc?

[patrice]

14. The DLC is the "left" arm of the RNC = Politics as usual. There's all kinds of Dems in positions

that owe the DLC and who depend on the OLD Politics as Usual to get their legislation through. The IWR was the ultimate fruit of this relationship and HC voted for an at least 50:50 Chance of War BECAUSE she planned to run for pResident.

[KaryninMiami]

5. Yes but to be clear- it was not the citizens or voters in FL and MI who did this-

it was our state Democratic Party Leaders. They are the ones here in FL who disenfranchised us by breaking the rules, ignorning the DNC offers to help with a recount and then, once their candidate was desperate for votes, began a ruthless campaign to count every vote thereby disenfrachising the million or so voters who did not vote here in FL because it would not be counted.

[kwenu]

7. It doesn't seem like any pressure or punishment is being applied to your state's leaders.

Why not?

[iamjoy]

16. I Debate The Last Point

everything you said is true, but the last point is an incomplete. It is true millions did not vote because we were told it wouldn't count. However, turnout was still higher than in 2000 and 2004 when the nominee was decided before Florida got its turn. In 2004, voter turnout was about half what it was in 2008. To be fair, we can't be sure whether it was the Beauty Contest Primary or Property Tax Amendment dragging Democrats out this January.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/primaries/pages/states/FL/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#val=FL

So, you see, saying millions didn't vote because they didn't think it would be counted is technically true, but doesn't tell the whole story.

[beac]

17. Exactly! Did any of today's protesters raise a finger back when it could have REALLY made

a difference? Not many, I'll bet.

[TexasObserver]

8. Florida & Michigan = Menendez Brothers. Guilty, but begging for sympathy.

"The DNC forced us to do it!! They touched us THERE!!"

[EndElectoral]

9. If the DNC can't enforce their own rules, how in the world can they uphold anything?

[HockeyMom]

11. Plus who can forget Florida in 2000?

Damn, I really HATE having to now live in this stupid state.

[grantcart]

12. Actually Michigan has a more substantive argument -

and are calling NH out for violating the reform agreement. They should still be penalized but they should be listened to. Levin had very substantial reasoning.

[BlooInBloo]

15. Not really. You don't get to break the law just because somebody else does.

[BlooInBloo]

13. True, but that's water gone. The only issue is where to go from here.

[midnight]

18. I sure wish I could understand this whole mess. It sure is

distracting us all from important issues. But I have faith that Howard Dean will do what is right.