who is perpetrating the lie that dems want obama/hillary ticket?? I don't

[2Design]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/06/poll.obama.clinton/index.html

Poll finds majority of Dems want Obama-Clinton ticket

[DJ13]

1. The corporate owned MSM wants the DLC in Obama's administration

[AtomicKitten]

2. Clintons = batshit crazy drama = ratings.

[janx]

52. YEP.

The longer they keep Hillary Clinton in the newz. . .

[mikelgb]

3. yeah it was called "THE DREAM TICKET" by the media from the get go

whose dream?

[Jawja]

38. It;s the GOP's dream to

have Hillary on the ticket to energize the Rethug base in November, since GRAMPS isn't going to do it.

[PATRICK]

48. Wolf Blitzer?

At that early debate? That GOP serving boob.

[Muttocracy]

4. pretty small sample size and big error

"The CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll was conducted Wednesday and Thursday, with 921 registered voters, including 435 registered voters who describe themselves as Democrats or independents who lean Democratic. The sampling error for most results is plus or minus 4.5 percentage points."

435 people? who claim to be registered Dems? who knows.

[QC]

5. You are not the entire Democratic Party. Neither is DU.

Most people do not obsess over politics the way we do around here, and most people do not worship or loathe politicians the way we do around here.

For them, putting the two most popular candidates on the ticket would make a lot of sense.

[Radio_Lady]

21. I'm awarding YOU the best of the whole day, QC. Thanks for contributing that.

QC has the correct answer and wins with:

"Most people do not obsess over politics the way we do around here, and most people do not worship or loathe politicians the way we do around here.

For them, putting the two most popular candidates on the ticket would make a lot of sense."

Amen, brothers and sisters!

I wish I had money like Oprah because I'd reward you with a car or something scrumptious.

Appreciate your post.

Cordially,

Radio Lady in Oregon

[noiretextatique]

49. it was a close race

many here fail grasp what that.

[MonkeyFunk]

6. so the poll's wrong because YOU don't want it?

:rofl:

think highly of yourself, dontcha?

[2Design]

17. yes, I do n/t

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

41. Have you ever taken statistics? A sample size that small is unreliable. And an

oversampling of women who are presumably Hillary supporters is akin to "selection on the dependent variable." It is not a statistically significant poll at all. But the press is pushing this flawed poll because it is what THEY want!!!

[MethuenProgressive]

44. That's the way polls are treated on DU. If they don't fit the plan, they're crooked and fixed.

DU is a funny place.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

69. If the polls/surveys are done correctly, I have no problem whether I agree with the outcome

or not. But this is a badly-done, statistically insignificant poll. That's just the truth...

[AuntPatsy]

7. I wouldn't mind such a ticket, nor would many I have talked to, so yes, some do want that.

[Arrowhead2k1]

8. There's a difference between not minding it and really wanting it.

I wouldn't 'mind' Hillary on the ticket either, but I don't really want her there.

[AuntPatsy]

9. True,I would much rather have Biden for VP but you can't have everything

[Radio_Lady]

22. According to CNN, the breakdown is 54% prefer HRC and 43% do not.

I don't know what the sampling size is.

I'll be watching the speech tomorrow. Is it true that D. C. is expecting temperatures in the 90s tomorrow?

This isn't outdoors, is it?

Peace, love and happiness,

Radio Lady in Oregon

[Crunchy Frog]

35. I wonder how much of that is simply name recognition at this point.

[Radio_Lady]

56. Sorry I do not fully agree with you. However, we'll just have to see.

I'm a white woman who worked all her life, now retired, 69 years old (8 years older than Hillary), and I obviously thought she would make an excellent President. I still do. Yes, the Clintons have their married life -- but this spotlight should not be on Hillary. She did what she felt she had to do, which was stay with her husband. Frankly, we never thought she would become a Senator (too much baggage and what about her "residence requirement"?). Then she was elected to a SECOND term. Wow, this is the Woman of Steel.

However, these are the breaks of the game. Her speech Saturday morning further consolidated my position that she had an opportunity which is now lost. She still has options and I am completely proud of her for everything she has accomplished.

Let's see what develops. Obama is in for the ride of his young life, my friend. You ain't seen nothin' yet when the Republican meat grinder starts in on him -- I hope he knows what he's doing. If not, well, there's always that old bumper sticker "Don't blame me. I voted for CLINTON." Or does that stick say Gore? Or Dean? Or Kerry?

Cordially,

Radio Lady in Oregon

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

42. It's hotter that shit on a bun here in D.C.! I went out to get the paper and came back in...

sweating like I was in a furnace...

Look, the media wants her on the ticket to bring in ratings. We'll spend 5 months fixated on Bill Clinton's dick and his unscrupulous business dealings. Sex scandals with him and Gershon, the Clinton marriage, the Clinton library, Bill's controversial pardons, the Peter Paul trial, etc. and less on Obama. The Clintons would overshadow Obama whether they mean to or not. It's a media circus and they want their ratings. McCain is borning. Obama can be boring. And whatever you feel about the Clintons, they do make politics exciting. And that's why people are pushing this ticket. It's insulting to assert that Obama needs her when he DOES NOT!!!

Excerpt from Peggy Noonan's WSJ op-Ed:

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/declarations.html

<snip>

Should he make her his vice president? He shouldn't, and he won't. The reasons:

The only ones who could force him to do it are party elders, and they don't like Mrs. Clinton. They're the ones who finally forced her from the race. Their antipathy was not apparent when she was inevitable. It is obvious now.

She would never be content to be vice president. She'd be plotting against him from day one. She'd put poison in his tea.

She brings Bill.

She undercuts the cleanness of Obama's message. She doesn't turn the page, she is the page.

She would give Republicans something to get excited about. She will revivify them. They're not excited about Mr. McCain, but they could become excited about opposing her.

Her presence on the ticket would force the party to have two breakthrough moments when a rule of political life, and life in general, is: one breakthrough at a time.

He doesn't need her. He needs a boring white man. Because he's an interesting black man. He needs a sober, experienced, older establishment player who will be respected by the press, the first responders of the political game. They'll set the tone in which the choice is celebrated, or not. He needs someone like Sam Nunn. Or, actually, Sam Nunn. He could throw a wild pass at Jim Webb because he has a real-guy, Southern, semi-working-class persona, and a Scots-Irish grit and chippiness. He is from important Virginia, has Vietnam boots and is moderate.

Choosing Mrs. Clinton would make Mr. Obama look weak. No one would believe he picked her because he respected or liked her. They'd think he was appeasing her. This is not something he can afford! And in any case some people cannot be appeased. Voters would assume she and her people did their voodoo—I have 18 million voters!—and he fell for it. She doesn't have 18 million voters, she got 18 million votes. It is telling the way she thinks of them, as if they are working-class automatons awaiting her command.

</snip>

[Phoonzang]

10. The majority of Dems aren't represented by DU

Most people don't realize that the ticket would be a horrible idea.

[newmajority]

32. And absolutely NO Democrats are represented by the DLC

They are corporatists, and do not give a fuck what you think. As they have repeatedly proven over the last 8 years enabling these criminal rat bastards in the White House.

[nolabels]

63. But many times the people that hang at DU are waaaaaaay ahead of the curve

and then again not always :hide:

[southernjockey]

11. Rasmussen found 51% want it

Not bad.

[Autumn]

12. It isn't a lie

not all Dem's reside at DU,there are others.

[L0oniX]

13. It's those asscarrot pundants who say that shit.

[Radio_Lady]

23. OT. Your personal profile is completely scary. Also, you misspelled "pundits." Just sayin' ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=186380

[L0oniX]

53. Well forgive me for not using real info in my profile ...someone actually called my place of work...

and threatened me. I kept real info in there once upon a time and have good reason to rather have a scary profile now.

[Radio_Lady]

54. I'm sorry to hear that... I have been judicious with my contact information,

but understand your feelings.

I apologize...

Cordially,

Radio Lady in OR

[busymom]

14. I do.

[cbayer]

15. I do. The majority of Dems in every poll I have seen do.

[Radio_Lady]

24. What a darling cartoon! I love it!

Thanks for posting this.

Peace, love and happiness...

Radio Lady Ellen in Oregon

[2Design]

16. I thought people wanted to win the election in November -

from the responses on this thread that is not true - I am with jimmy carter - it would be disastrous
That would be like handing McSame the presidency - really not a good idea

We really need change and we need another person on the ticket for change - not the old guard anymore - it has not worked
We had al gore and the election was close and yes stolen but closer than it should have been up against a moron
Kerry had an outstanding record but was not the vietnam vet fighting an injust war - just too compliant and again lost up against the moron

We now have some of some intelligence but lost morals and you want to lose the dem office again

No one who has run for president should be put on the ticket with him or it is a guarantee lost

[Radio_Lady]

26. Strange, isn't it? So many people feel they will ENHANCE his chances of becoming President if his

opponent is his running mate -- that's Hillary.

Or as someone who wasn't so thrilled with that line-up... "Her Royal C**T" But, then, she's been called worse and she hasn't buckled. That woman is made of steel.

Cordially,

Radio Lady in Oregon

The Four Ages of Woman

[MrSlayer]

18. The corporate media.

I'm sure there are some people that want it but it's not as big a movement as the puppetmasters would like us to believe.

[vaberella]

19. Mainly Hillary supporters. Feinstein, Ferraro, who's the guy who started that online petition? And

a few others. They're all pushing it. What they don't realize is that the Hispanic vote that Hillary carries is not dependent on Hillary. It's dependent on Democrats. They voted for Hillary because they knew the Clintons and liked him. He was coined the "minority President", but as long as Obama is there, the Hispanics (excluding most well-off (rich) Cubans and Mexicans---they vote Repub) will always go Democrat (male or female). As for the women's vote, that fluctuates. But the intelligent ones who know what McCain is about and who were always Dems will stick around and vote Obama---especially when Hillary endorses. This goes for any students she might get. The only difficulty is the Jewish people, but most likely with Hillary out they'll still count on the Dems. So all this crap of Hillary is needed is bullshit.

[Radio_Lady]

27. Please prove to me that Obama will beat McCain without a strong running mate.

Right now, the polling is so close it would take your breath away.

[vaberella]

28. That's easy, watch the video below. As for strong running mate, teh people who supported Obama from

the get-go are extremely strong. Webb just passed the new GI Bill, which was voted by both Repubs and Demos. Sebelius is able to have Repubs and Demos vote in for her, a Demo, in a Repub state. Richardson, he's hispanic and military (I believe), tons of background. Ditto for Clark. Compared to Hillary, well, she gets washed out by most and about equal to Sebelius.


Obama will kick McCain's ass without a strong VP, but his VP choices are extremely strong.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c

[Radio_Lady]

29. I'm going to wait and see who gets vetted and who doesn't...

Apparently, there are strong issues concerning Bill Clinton's foundations and funding and perhaps that will be a problem.

But talk host Ed Schultz said yesterday that -- going around and around on this -- currently Hillary is the strongest, most mobilized person, and if she wants the job, she should get it. All of the other possibilities were discussed on the show I heard.

Let's see how the cookie crumbles. We need to get moving quickly. Will you be watching the Saturday speech?

My husband pointed out that most Vice Presidents are selected at the convention and he wouldn't be surprised if it came to that. If it's done prior to that, there's no suspense at the convention. We'll just have to wait.

[vaberella]

31. Actually your husband is correct. They are voted at the convetion. Hence the reason Obama doesn't

have as much power in choosing a VP as people believe. But that's not main thing. Obama can present a VP choice and arguments why he chooses this person so the panel can yay or nay it. So he'll have either one or more, I'm unsure of the rules for that. And they'll chose. I'm sure they'll have their own people with arguments for or against.

Pelosi and Webb have already put forth Sebelius. Pelosi is like the creme de la creme and authority. She does not want Hillary and will NEVER support Hillary as the VP, she said as much in an interview. And Pelosi says why, because of Hillary's endorsement of McCain.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

43. The delegates at the convention will NOT overturn Obama's choice! They will not!

Do you know what will happen? The Democratic party will split; if they went against the nominee's wishes by selecting Hillary instead, that will weaken Obama. How can the Dems expect to win if they don't put their trust in the judgment of the new leader of their party? It won't happen!!

[Radio_Lady]

55. OK. OK. I tend to agree with you. I hope we can move on and I hope our ticket wins, of course.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Radio_Lady/238

Cordially,

Radio Lady Ellen Kimball in Oregon

[vaberella]

57. I agree with what you're saying, but they have the ability and the power to overturn his wishes.

[vaberella]

30. Oh and this as well. Although I find polls (skewed) at times, but I'm from new yorker and have an

idea of how new yorkers vote. These polls tend to reflect (the closest)how we vote based on our race, sex, and what's important in NYC.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/107689/Early-Gallup-Road-Map-McCainObama-Matchup.aspx

[Radio_Lady]

33. Interesting, but too much more has to develop before we can really make predictions.

Certainly, not before a VP candidate is selected -- and perhaps not until after the Democratic Convention in Denver in August. We'll be in Breckenridge, Colorado on vacation the week before the convention starts.

Thanks for your comments and the link, which I read thorough.

CU@theDU

Radio Lady

[vaberella]

58. De Nada, i won't deny that online predictions are un realiable. But in NYC, we're Demos even if

and we're fickle. The Demos even if we were split during primaries will go Demo in the end. I'm independent, but we normally vote demo too.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

71. You guys are thinking with your hearts and not using pure logic!!

I'm baffled that so many don't understand how dangerous the Clintons are. All of the scandals. I mean, we haven't even scratched the surface. She claims to be vetted but she hasn't: Peter Paul, her brothers role in Clinton pardons, the Clinton Library, Bill's dealings with the Saudis. The list goes on and on. I'm astounded that people are forgetting about all these scandals, not to mention her very high negatives. They wants us to be convinced that Obama can't win without her but fail to recognize the fact that Republicans LOATHE the Clintons. With her on the ticket, we will witness a groundswell of Republican activity. Obama risks losing all the new voters, young voters, black voters who are angry with the Clintons and who will not support such a ticket. He'll turn off all the Independents and Republicans that he won over during the primaries. This election will be decided by those disaffected Republicans and Independents who are more likely to support Republicans. They only need a reason to jump to McCain. Hillary will give that reason. Again, it is breathtaking why Hillary Clinton and even Obama supporters who support a "Dream Ticket" are not thinking clearly. They are thinking with their hearts, not their minds.

[musicblind]

20. who is perpetrating the lie that dems don't want obama/hillary ticket?? I do

and since I obviously represent the entire democratic party ....










Geesh. Every poll I have seen from every source I have seen it has shown the same thing. The majority of dems DO want Hillary as VP. DU is an echo chamber filled with THE most liberal democrats, and THE most politically obsessed. I love this place, and it fits me great, but it does not represent the majority views of the democratic party.

[vaberella]

25. I think the democratic officials however see that the democratic party--citizens are fickle...

That being said. Most will vote demo--no matter who's on the ticket alongside Obama. The ones threatening are the ones threatening. This is similar to the whole popular vote bullshit. The loudest voices on the net and the ones who support Hillary want Hillary in the no.2 slot. But those are the netizens. The actual reality of it, a lot of people know her name and follow suit. Another group are repubs who support woman, Coulter comes to mind. In reality a true Demo, will always vote Demo. She is so contrary to Obama that it won't work and her people don't factor in. He'd sooner put Jim Web, Sebelius---per Pelosi and Webb's recommendation than he'd ever think Clinton.

If he chooses her I'd support him but I'd also be disappointed because overall they're polar opposites and she endorsed McCain which I will NEVER forgive. If she's good, then he might as well put Ickes as his VP because he has the same views as Hillary...or even Ferraro herself. He needs someone closer to him and believes in radical change. She's not radical at all.

[SoCalDem]

34. Lanny Davis, Larry Johnson , Stephanie Tubbs-Jones

Lisa Caputo, and a cast of "tens"..

They are being invited onto every "show" around, and of course they are pushing for vice president for HRC.. The veep-wannabee gets a STAFF, and money to operate ..and travel...

Those people are not ready for get off the trainwreck yet.. They keep thinking that it will magically RE-rail itself and things will be all wonderful-eriffic again..

[2Design]

36. why would anyone want someone who did slash and burn to them on their team

I know your suppose to keep your friends close and your enemies closer - but it would be so wrong on so many levels to have someone who helped perpetrate racism, and other BS - she voted for that damn war and until part way through the election cycle did not budge - she is a chameleon - sorry I see it as a loser ticket - she did a lot of damage to people of color - she pulled in the rednecks and ignorant - and the very rich - Obama pulled in the people

[Jawja]

37. The GOP wants Hillary on the ticket.

Since their dreams of energizing the Rethug electorate with Hillary as the nominee are dust, they are now pushing to get her on the ticket SOMEWHERE.

[2Design]

39. that is my conclusion too - it is being driven by corporate media n/t

[Ravy]

70. The same media that drove the Obama nomination.....

but you didn't think that the GOP wanted that, did you?

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

40. The media is perpetuating it. That is a dastardly flawed poll, heavily skewed in favor of women...

The media wants her on the ticket so that they can then turn around and obsess over the Clintons, their marriage, their business dealings, etc. It is insulting to Obama who makes the decision on his own just like every other presidential nominee. But the press is totally obsessed with trying to push Clinton on the ticket for their own reasons. They fully understand that she has very high negatives and that Republicans hate her and would be energized if she's anywhere near the ticket.

[WillyT]

45. This Poll Has A Different Take

Link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24954505/

:shrug:

[NC_Nurse]

46. I don't know. Certainly not me or any of the Obama folks I know.

[1776Forever]

47. Makes you wonder doesn't it! Gupta - Bill's Indian buddy owns CNN polling!

Hmmmmmm - :hide:

[rucky]

50. I don't find this surprising at all.

name recognition, and lack of it from anybody else in the field.

this is why VP is chosen by committee and not by popular vote.

[ecstatic]

51. They also said most blacks want it, but that's definitely

not what I'm hearing/seeing.

[vaberella]

59. Well the picture is to still paint Blacks as Hillary fans. Or to paint us as haters---there is no

Great Divide. Ultimately the Black vote is divided. People in the Black community is hooked on the picture of Bill as the first Black President. As a matter of fact, he's still painted as such. They know when Hillary comes in that she would bring him along. And to show you a bit of racism, many Blacks do feel that having a Black president is a bad idea. As a matter of fact, most people ignore the Black Caribbean community, Haitians, who tend to vote Repub. My mum votes ONLY Repub, of course this year and when Kerry ran she voted Demo, since she feels that the Repubs have systematically destroyed this nation, but she goes Repub.

There's this annoying issue that Blacks are predictable and go one way. Which is why I wanted to smack Ferraro. She turne us into mindless zombies when Blacks ARE the most political and openly speak politics in public because it defines us so much. No, majority of Blacks don't vote for a Black candidate---mainly because the color of our skins. If any one knows the history of the Louisiana Mayor, Ray Nagin, during Katrina he wasn't voted in the first time he ran because he was Repub and not Demo, although he was Black. In other places Repub is the place to be even if you're a Black demo.

There's unfortunately been no studies on Black voters and even more so, there's this status created by the media that we're ALL the same. Especially since when they speak of the Woman's vote, Minority women are not included in that equation. It is ONLY White women. It's these dynamics which most people forget about---paticularly the media when looking at the Black vote.

They make it seem as though it's just the norm, it's not. HIspanic vote is similar. If you are wealthy/rich Hispanic they tend to go Repub, and those are mainly wealthy Mexicans (mainly West Coast) and/or Cubans. While, on the other hand. East Coast Mexicans vote Demo, Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, and others mainly vote Demo NO MATTER WHAT.

The media is pumping this whole, he needs her vote all over the place. Hell no!! In regards to the latino vote after the primary races, Obama has racked up the Latino vote. Why? Because Clinton ran on her name, not because of her policies. Her name and the fact that she's a Demo. Which says a great deal...that means the Latino vote can be depended on in the Democratic party. These statements are not to make people zombies, like the Ferraro statement about Blacks in Mississippi, however it's to point the importance of the Dem party which supercedes race and gender.

[TexasObserver]

60. CNN is completely in the tank for Hillary. They are untrustworthy.

CNN makes up things that help Hillary. Now they're pushing her for VP. The difference between Fox and CNN is that Fox is only helping Hillary because it's good for the GOP. CNN actually wants to put Hillary on the ticket, and they've been painfully obvious in that effort. Probably has something to do with their key demographics being over 60 years old.

[nickinSTL]

61. I don't know...a friend of mine does...

but then, he's really unhappy that Obama won the nom, so...

I don't really think Clinton's the best choice, necessarily.

I want Obama to pick whoever he thinks will be the best VP choice for him. Not whoever some poll thinks he should pick - particularly a poll done before Clinton had officially suspended her campaign.

[Marrah_G]

62. Your subject line is a lie.

I realize that YOU do not want Hillary on the ticket and that maybe even a majority of DU doesn't want her on the ticket. But neither represent the majority of Democrats in this country. Polls show that most Dems DO want an Obama/Clinton ticket.

[Willo]

64. Whenever Hillary has a good day, a new dream team poll surfaces nt

[ErinBerin84]

65. Is anyone watching Reliable sources on CNN?

The host was asking reporters whether or not the media was routing for an Obama/Hillary ticket, and everyone got very defensive and Gloria Borger said "No, it's just the best story!" and the host said "Exactly! So you admit it!", but the reporters weren't getting it. It was pretty funny.

[Marie26]

66. And you equal the majority of Dems?

Just because you don't want something doesn't mean that no one wants it.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

67. there is life and opinions outside of du. nt

[40ozDonkey]

68. It's a win-win situation.

Either she's not on the ticket and a ton of talented Dems get the consideration they deserve,

or

she becomes the VP and has to spend every waking moment until November running up and down Appalachia, reversing her damage.

Either way's fun for me. :D

[AJH032]

72. why are polls that you disagree with a lie?

I would like it, and apparently so would a majority of Dems.