Does Anyone Here Really Think McLame Can Beat Obama?

[tekisui]

Really?

I have yet to see ANYONE inspired, motivated or excited about McDubya.

NO ONE.

I have seen some who dislike, even hate Obama. But their numbers pale next to the support Obama has generated.

I know we will see smears and swiftboats and whispers and emails. But, so the fuck what? Obama knows how to fight back, rise above and build his support.

It will take diligence, and work. But, I simply cannot envision a scenario where McDubya can get more votes than Obama.

[madeline_con]

1. Let's don't get complacent. Repugs may not get excited, but they

go to the polls in droves like drones.

They stole 2 elections, so I wouldn't be surprised (outraged and ready to march on D.C., but not surprised) if McLame wins in Nov. I'm just saying. :(

[Mz Pip]

2. Yeah, I do.

It's not about motivation or inspriration.

I never underestimate the stupidity of the american people. I never underestimate the sleaziness of the GOP. We cannot be complacent. This should be easy.

But...

2004 should have been easy and it wasn't.

[Donkey_Punch_Dubya]

9. I agree

Bush should have lost by 20% in 2004, and a Democrat who performed as badly, lied as grievously, and caused as many deaths worldwide as Bush did in his first 4 years would have lost reelection in a massive landslide.

But the GOP smear and noise machine plus the willing media made it close enough to steal, because many millions of voters are taken in by this shameless bullshit. I said after that election that the GOP will never lose a presidential election again after winning that one. Things are looking good right now, but I can NEVER underestimate the lengths the Repubs will go to win election. If Obama is ahead by 10+ points in October, I expect another 9/11. If not that, then I expect the vote totals to be 15% different from exit polls and the media to blame everything on the Bradley Effect.

McCain is not a great candidate, but he has the 100 advantages of the GOP and media in his corner.

[RB TexLa]

35. And don't underestimate how racist millions upon millions of whites are in this country.

[SammyWinstonJack]

56. Making the election close enough to steal and giving the corprat media a way out.

Wait for it.

[annabanana]

3. The Media will continue to pounce on any shred of apparent

evidence that the race is "close".

Massive attempts at "caging" and plenty of classic voter suppression tactics (misdirection, illegal purging of the voter rolls etc etc) can be expected. There are still plenty of balky machines out there that can screw us.

The stakes are alarmingly high and the fascist leadership of the Repug party has a lot to lose as do their corporate masters.

We must fight like we're 20 points behind and the fate of the world depends on it.

And be assured, it does.

[Fovea]

4. Possibly

if the game is cribbage.

[FrenchieCat]

5. Not in a just and fair world....but since this ain't it....we must work twice as hard

to get the candidate who is twice as good into the White House.

Like he said....It won't be easy, but it will be done.

To have McCain win would make us more than just a laughing stalk. The world would believe that we were just fucking out of our minds.....and I don't doubt that it would be the beginning of the last leg to the downfall of the United States of America. It would send the most horrible message in the world. It would be different if Obama wasn't such a stellar individual, but he is.

[goldcanyonaz]

6. I really thought we had it in the bag in 04 too

[NewJeffCT]

7. Nobody thought we'd lose to Reagan or W, either

Granted, we didn't technically lose to Bush in 2000 or 2004... but, he shouldn't have been that close either time.

[Jakes Progress]

29. Agree. People always say

that the republicans stole the election. I'm sure they did. But why, oh why, was it even close enough for them to steal. How did that lame idiot get even 10% of the votes.

[Ysabel]

65. check this out (reagan) map = evidence rigging has been going on for a long time...

edit: link screw up (see below please scroll down page for map)...

- lots more evidence i checked back over a hundred years lots of it looks real fishy...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election%2C_1980

p.s. er perhaps that particular map indicates more precisely that the electoral college is really fucked up / in any case checking back over the last century and a half indicates that elections have nearly always been corrupt...

[Oregone]

8. Definately possible. Look at 2004.

Never underestimate the absolute stupidity of the American people.


I understand where polling currently is, but we have no way to predict what may happen in the future. Im just not ruling anything out, after seeing so much.

[Oleladylib]

10. Um, yea.

[Danger Mouse]

11. He can...if we get cocky and don't fight for every vote.

[highplainsdem]

12. Rasmussen, 6/17 -- Most voters expect it to be a close election

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/voters_see_big_differences_between_obama_and_mccain_expect_close_election

Only 18% of voters expect a landslide election this year—that includes 13% who expect Obama to win a landslide victory and 5% who foresee a McCain landslide. Thirty-one percent (31%) envision a modest Obama victory, 22% expect a modest McCain victory, and 26% say it’s just too close to call.

Sixty-four percent (64%) of Democrats say Obama is likely to win and another 22% say it’s too close to call. Among Republicans, 50% expect a McCain victory and 24% say it’s too close.

Among African-Americans, 71% expect an Obama victory and 21% say it’s too close. Thirty-nine percent (39%) of White Voters expect Obama to win, 30% see McCain winning, and 24% say too close to call.

A 6/9 Rasmussen article on perceptions of the candidates and voters' self-identification as liberal, moderate or conservative:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/public_perceptions_of_obama_and_mccain_shifting_rapidly

In December, before the Iowa caucuses launched Obama’s successful campaign for the nomination, the Illinois Senator was seen as politically liberal by 47% of voters nationwide. By April, that number had grown to 54%. Today, 67% see him as politically liberal including 36% who say he is Very Liberal.

A similar pattern is seen for John McCain. The presumptive Republican nominee was seen as politically conservative by 31% of all voters in December, by 41% in April, and by 67% today. Just 19% say he is Very Conservative.

-snip-

Where do the voters stand in all of this? Thirty-six percent (36%) say they are politically conservative, including 16% who say they are Very Conservative. Thirty-seven percent (37%) say they are politically moderate and 25% claim to be politically liberal. That last figure includes 8% who are Very Liberal.

Compared to four years ago, the number of conservatives is little changed but the number of liberal is up from 17%.

[leftofcool]

13. Yes, he could

[jeanruss]

14. false flag

All it took to take down Kerry was a letter from Osama bin laden. This time it might be another false flag, like 9/11. The Republicans have evn talked about how we need "reminded" of 9/11 with another incident. They always play the fear card. That's how we got into this mess.

[PurityOfEssence]

15. Yes. Very much so. I hope he doesn't, but there's a good chance.

As far as I can tell, there's a reasonable chance for anything from a moderate Republican victory through a decisive Democratic one. At the moment, I'd say it's a toss up, but with McCain having the edge and the Dems gaining seats in the House and Senate.

Obama is very vulnerable on just the points the reactionaries like to hit: patriotism, experience and consistency. I hope we don't get cocky and disregard these issues, and I see a very dangerous tendency to do so.

Look at the polls; after what these monarchic primitives have done, why is it even close?

What will Obama say when asked about offshore drilling and ANWAR? Frustrated as I am with his Clintonian habit of being on both sides of issues, I'll say he tries to duck it and finally gets pinned into not making a commitment so he can play both sides of the street. This will disgust many and won't appease the hounds.

I'll vote for Obama, but I'm not the problem; I've NEVER voted for a Republican.

After they dissect his voting record and see the many contradictions, he'll have to disavow more and more people and stances, and this will make him look disloyal to boot.

[Golden Raisin]

16. Two words: Truman/Dewey.

We should not assume an automatic slam dunk and be vigilant. There are a lot of variables and much can happen between now and November. If the election is close that is exactly when Repubs go to work to manipulate and steal. We cannot overlook overt and covert racism as a factor. Bush could bomb the shit out of Iran days before the election. There could be another large domestic terror attack and the concomitant wave of National Fear which will most likely aid McCain.

[JaneQPublic]

17. 8 years ago, the GOP deemed McCain not as good a choice for prez as Chimpy.

Think about it: McCain's own party didn't think he'd be as good a president as the guy who got the job and totally hosed it up!

And now they think we should all vote for the guy only second-best to Bush?

Why? So maybe we'll have a new Worst President Ever?

[Mz Pip]

18. Good point

Maybe we should point this out at every opportunity. McCain was a failure in 2000. Why should he be successful now? He was worse than Bush then, why expect him to be better than Bush now?

New campaign slogan:

McCain - You didn't want him in 2000
Why should you want him now?

[Donkey_Punch_Dubya]

20. It doesn't work that way

The winner of a GOP primary is not automatically the best GOP president if he wins. If McCain would've won the 2000 primary he would've been a better president than W. Anyone would've been better than W.

Gary Hart would've been a better candidate vs. Reagan in 1984 than Mondale, even though Mondale won the primary. Several democrats would've been better vs. HW Bush in 1988 than Dukakis. It's not always the case: Gore was a better candidate than Bradley would've been in 2000. It just doesn't necessarily follow that McCain is worse than Bush because Bush beat him in a primary 8 years ago.

[Mz Pip]

22. I know

but talking points are what matters in this political climate. We've seen plenty of them from the Republicans about Obama. Maybe it's time to dish out a few of our own.

[Barack_America]

19. 2004.

'Nuff said.

[DesertRat]

21. After the last 2 presidential elections

I believe that anything is possible.

[CK_John]

23. GOP'ers understand "process" they get registered and they vote. We will lose 10-15% due to lack of

followup, missing registration deadlines, moving and not changing our polling place, etc.

We lose another 10% of people that go thru life like pingpong balls who refuse to make a decision, but always have a great story to tell.

As a party we don't know our ass from our elbow when it comes to reading the real world but are super hyper over our small corner of it. Example, we believe and expect that a Dem congress person from Mississippi will have the same world view of one from NJ or NY.

We start with at least a 25% disadvantage so yes I think it will be too close to call.

[FrenchieCat]

25. You're self defeating.

OBama will kick McCain's weakass.

And I'll be one of the feet shoving way up McCain's ass.

We are starting at an advantage, but the self defeatists might bring us down....but it won't be the activists nor Obama's fault......it will be the fault of those of the cynics who walk around with a dark clould over their heads mutturing to themselves.

[Donkey_Punch_Dubya]

45. Us being somewhat pessimistic based on past results will not lose Obama the election

Making that claim as you did is frankly a little crazy.

Democratic voters not being 100% confident in winning will not stop Obama from getting votes. If anything, it makes Democrats work even harder instead of getting complacent. Given the results of the 2004 election, it's pretty sane to have some doubt that we can win this time.

Considering that the Republican party's name and image is pretty much shit, and the "wrong track" ratings are around the highest ever recorded, we are only 4-8% ahead right now. We should be 20% ahead in these circumstances, like a republican undoubtedly would be if a Democrat was president and the approval ratings and national dissatisfaction with the president were the same as they are now for Bush. Based on this, I have some doubts, but I'm still hopeful and cautiously optimistic.

[lastliberalintexas]

24. Yes, it could happen

"It will take diligence, and work. But, I simply cannot envision a scenario where McDubya can get more votes than Obama."

Primarily because he doesn't actually have to get more votes, the electoral college could ensure a republican victory despite the popular vote. Best case scenario for republicans in 2000 was that Gore won the popular but Bush had the electoral votes (I'm ignoring the SC for the moment), so please don't think it can't happen again. Especially given the republican bias inherent in a system in which Wyoming and Idaho's votes are several times more important than California's. No offense to the good Dems of those states, of course. :)


That's not to say that I think it likely, but we can't ignore the possibility altogether.

[seriousstan]

26. I was told Reagan didn't have a chance. Then Bush Sr.. Then Jr. TWICE!!

Now I am supposed to listen to empty heads tell me that Obama is a shoe-in and in the same breath hear about how if McCain wins it is because it is stolen.

I didn't fall for it then and I won't now. Complacency kills.

I watch the rah rah Obama and just shake my head. Policy not inspiration wins elections.

P.S. I thought ABB ( anybody but Bush) was the most stupid, off-putting campaign I ever heard of. People want to support something, not be against something.

[Donkey_Punch_Dubya]

43. republicans vote against something all the time

The 2004 election was supposed to be a referendum on Bush. They turned it into a referendum on Kerry, and millions voted against the "anti-American, elitist, out-of-touch" Kerry instead of for Bush.

Negative ads are all about getting people to vote against someone. And the Rove style of campaigning that the GOP does is almost 100% negative.

[SammyWinstonJack]

59. As do I.

I watch the rah rah Obama and just shake my head. Policy not inspiration wins elections. :thumbsup:

[AndyTiedye]

27. Not in an Honest Election, But I Think They Might Steal It Again

[Avalux]

28. One word - FEAR.

IF anything happens to remind people to be afraid, they'll stop thinking rationally and McCain will probably win. I wish it wasn't that simple but it is.

[Median Democrat]

30. Democrats Will Need To Work and Give Twice As Much Due To The MSM

We all remember the Stolen Honor anti-Kerry smear shortly before the 2004 election. Then there was the "Path to 9/11" anti-Clinton smear before the 2006 elections. In this election, we had Nightlines anti-Obama smear regarding 10 worst VP candidates featuring Reverand Wright.

However, the force feeding of RW idealogy does not even stop at portraying slanted news or broadcasting smears disguised as documentaries. Remember a few years ago when ABC almost hired Rush Limbaugh for Monday Night Football? I mean talk about broadening your audience beyond folks who are even inclinded to pay attention to politics. Putting Rush on MNF would have been preaching to a captive audience.

With News Corp/Fox News and Disney/ABC engaging in such outright attacks on Democrats, it is sickening to imagine what these networks are willing to do for this election, since the truth is no obstacle. After all, look at Kerry and Stolen Honor and Clinton and the Path to 9/11.

This is why I think that the upcoming election was going to be tough regardless of how badly Bush screwed things up, and how badly McCain performs as a candidate. I think this election, more than any election prior to it, will establish whether grass politics can reakon with Big Media. Can Big Media totally blind the American public.

Is democracy irrovacably comprimised by the rise of large media conglomorates that own multiple media properties such as News Corp, which owns Fox and the Wall Street Journal? Barack Obama has been amazing in mobilizing grass roots support with young adults getting engaged in the issues that matter. However, is it enough? I think the answer really depends on each on of us.

Barack Obama is a great fundraiser. However, the money he raises still pales in comparison to the operating budgets of Disney and News Corp.

There is a revolution, and it is not being led by us, it is being led by Big Media. Can we as individual voters and activists respond to this challenge? Or, will democracy become another commodity that can only be enjoyed by the highest bidders?

[jonestonesusa]

31. It will be a challenge, but the Dems have the inside track.

A vigorous campaign in all 50 states to win both the presidential vote and other offices is what we all need to do. We need to work as hard as we can for a genuine mandate and a governing majority. We need to educate people about the magnitude of the train wreck that has been the Republicans in recent years, and show why Democrats are a better alternative. So much is at stake.

Go Dems - we have _got_ to turn it around!

[Samantha]

32. People who see that as possibly happening are not "thinking" but

are hallucinating, IMHO. :)

Sam

[rasputin1952]

33. McCain hasn't a chance in hell...just wait until the 1st debate...

:)

[tritsofme]

34. That's the scary part about many here, they feel they can never lose and reflexively scream voter

fraud if an election is lost, instead of recognizing the failings of the candidate.

I think Obama will win, but I realize there is just as good of a chance that he will not.

[opihimoimoi]

36. I too am optimistic.....but....ya can bet your boots them Pubs are desperately trying to find a way

to WIN....lie cheat steal it don't matter, they will try to find a way, nefarious or not...they are DESPERATE.

[Trajan]

37. Yes .....

As if lightning cannot strike thrice ....

[Celticsfan]

38. No. The media is on our side this time

Many articles are critical of McCain. That works in our favor.

[SammyWinstonJack]

60. LMAO!

The media is on our side this time. :silly: :spray: :rofl: Which side is that, again?

[VotesForWomen]

39. is the Pope german? of course McCain can beat Obama. it could go either way. just because McCain

is not drawing 75K people at a rally doesn't mean that a lot of people won't go into the voting booth and pull the lever for him. Obama needs to run the best campaign he can, and let the chips fall where they may. dems should remember that 'enthusiasm' doesn't necessarily translate into a GE victory. i remember how enthusiastic and confident people were about kerry winning in 2004, and we know how that turned out.

[bridgit]

40. anything can happen in a world where bush beat Gore...

[bowens43]

41. Yes, McCain CAN beat Obama. He probably won't but he can.

McCain is a strong candidate. He is respected and liked my the majority of Americans. This is no time to get complacent.

[Arkansas Granny]

42. Yes, I think there is a chance. Republicans don't have to be inspired,

motivated or excited about their candidates in order to vote for them. I didn't see any way that Bush could beat Kerry in 2004, but it happened.

[JustAnotherGen]

44. Hmmm

He has the support of the NeoCons behind him. We have a stellar candidate. But we did in the last two G.E.'s too. Those people will stop at nothing. Including Grand Theft Election (Florida) and Voter Intimidation (Ohio).

I would love to take the monday, tuesday, wednesday of the election off to be able to go intimidate the intimidators. I know - not nice. But NOT playing dirty could get us stuck in Iran.

[Donkey_Punch_Dubya]

46. I agree with you completely

We have to get a little dirty to fight fire with fire sometimes. And staying above the fray while they fight dirty has lost (or "lost") us elections in 1988, 2000 and 2004.

[stray cat]

47. Bush beat Al Gore - at least he got the presidency

[Beacool]

48. It depends..........

If the main issue is the economy and the country continues on its downward spiral, Obama will win.

But, if we have another terrorist attack and there's a perception that we are in peril, then McCain will probably win. People would be nervous about giving the reins of power to someone with so little experience.

[democrattotheend]

51. I agree

That was my assessment from the beginning. If the economy was the main issue, either Democrat would have the edge. If it's Iraq, I think Obama will win, and since he opposed the war from the beginning Bush can't say "well, you voted for it" the way he did with Kerry in 2004. If there's another terrorist attack Obama has no chance (and Clinton wouldn't have either).

[Overseas]

49. They can use the Multiple Methods of Vote Manipulation that have been successful so far

http://www.uncountedthemovie.com/order-the-dvd.html
Uncounted has documented what some of us were shouting about in 2000 and 2004. It covers the various methods that have been used in elections since the year 2000 to manipulate the vote.

A whole bunch of different methods (some as simple as giving too few machines to Democratic districts) were used to manipulate votes in 2000 and 2004, including caging lists and software viruses that flip vote totals that can be inserted on the memory cards. Security is very lax and many areas are using electronic voting that is not auditable. No paper trails. And voting machine company staff come and help repair glitches during the voting process.

Those anomalies were evident from large variations in exit polling. But instead of casting doubt upon the elections, our corporate media were all decrying the accuracy of exit polls. The oddity of those anomalies occurring in Bush's favor all the time was just a coincidence, don't you see.

Many commentators, including lots of so-called liberal reporters were tut-tutting about us ridiculous conspiracy theorists and telling us to hurry up and get over it. While we were watching people report anomalies from various districts across the country they'd say-- ah well, those 3,000 votes won't change the outcome. And those 4,000 there won't either. Nor those, those, and those. We were being petty and ridiculous they told us. Our candidate conceded before all the votes had even been counted. But that's what he should have done, they told us. Get over it already.

While we were decrying the dribs & drabs method of vote stealing because bloggers were reporting in about anomalies from all across the country, Democratic leaders and political media stars were ready to explain it all away with the Republicans' 3Gs talking points, Guns, God & Gays. Remember all those "earnest" discussions? And they sprinkled in some intricate discussions questioning the accuracy of exit polls, even though such wide discrepancies in exit polling would be used to call any other country's results into question.

We still have lots of security flaws in our voting system. We need to win by overwhelming force and that still may not be enough to overcome their devious and myriad methods of winning at all costs. And once again there will be the pressure to concede quickly because Gee Whiz The Results Are Clear By Now and Heaven Forbid our distinguished candidate is perceived as a sore loser.

[WinkyDink]

50. Yes. Much can happen to affect an election, in the world and in the voting machinery.

[bermudat]

52. Don't get cocky.

I never thought Bush would beat Gore or Kerry would lose in 2004. repugnantcans play dirty, play to win. The week before the general election, they'll pay some blonde to get on all the tv networks and say she's carrying Obama's love child. It will be a lie but it will be covered 24/7 ad nauseum and the low-information voter will vote his prejudice not what will be good for the country.

[paparush]

53. Th Neocon Election Stealing Machine (tm), which has not been dismantled, makes

a McCain "victory" possible.

[AlinPA]

54. It could happen. After the rpigs crank up the God, Guns, Gays and Flags "issues",

and get their racism going full blast and add to those a fake terrorist alarm and yes, 'murcans will lean on their stupidiy.

[TexasObserver]

55. Caging. Vote suppression. Provisional ballots. Broken voting machines. Vote stealing.

We will win the voting.

The question is: Will we win the vote counting?!

[nxylas]

58. Yup, watch out for millions of "values voters"...

...to suddenly appear out of the woodwork, in defiance of all polling data (flashes up South Park-style subtitle reading "THIS IS WHAT THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA ACTUALLY BELIEVES").

[L0oniX]

57. Yes ...when this happens....

[harun]

61. 2004

The sheeple vote for who the media tells them to vote for. They are already pimping McCain 24x7. This election will be very hard to win.

[Alter Ego]

62. It's our race to lose.

If we can continue doing what we do (when we do what we do), Gramps will get steamrolled.

Fo'shizzle.

[BootinUp]

63. How did you rate Bush's chances in '00 and '04?

Of course Obama could lose. And there are plenty of people who buy into the McCain myth still.

[futureliveshere]

64. Diebold?

[Ysabel]

66. the republicans will try to steal it again...

[Proud Liberal Dem]

67. Not really

McCain doesn't seem to have much momentum even in his own party and I can't really see what his "winning" issue is going to be in November. Despite protestations to the contrary, he seems hell-bent on running on Bush's "legacy" and he parrots Bush's positions on nearly every issue even when they appear to contradict his previously stated positions. Also, I fail to see how he is going to "outshine" Obama in debates particularly considering the quality of his "stump speeches" (so far). He also seems to be making a string of destructive campaign gaffes and missteps so far. If McCain wins :scared: it will likely be IN SPITE OF himself not BECAUSE of him as there are just a lot of people who, for whatever reason(s) would never be caught dead for voting for a Democrat or an African-American or whom have otherwise bought into the smears that have been dragged out against Obama. For McCain to win, there will also have to have been some kind of serious election fraud by the GOP involved as well.

That being said, Obama certainly has his work cut out for him in terms of winning over former Clinton supporters and other demographics that he struggled with during the primaries, as well as fighting the GOP and their "tools" in the MSM that have been very effective in tearing down the Democrats since 1994. We also need to be supportive (and ensure that the Democratic party establishment is equally supportive) of Obama and work on ensuring a fair election process.

However, Obama, and the Democratic party in general, have a lot in their favor this year and I believe that the election is really ours to lose. Our party is pretty unified, the GOP is still very much in disarray and facing even more losses in Congress in November, nobody even within the GOP really seems to care much for McCain and he's almost certainly going to have a hard time convincing the vast majority of the public that continuing the same old failed Bush policies for at least four more years is the right way to move our country forward (if people haven't realized that the last 8 years have been bad for our country than I honestly don't know what else anybody could do or say to get through to them). Also, Obama, so far, has been very aggressive in fighting back hard against the GOP smear machine in contrast to some of our previous candidates, so I would say that, as long as Obama keeps doing what he is doing (and we keep supporting him and fighting against the GOP/MSM) and McCain keeps chaining himself to Bush's "legacy" and blundering around then I think that he can and will win in November. Also, I think that, as Obama gets more exposure and more people are able to actually get to know him beyond the smears that have been promulgated by the GOP and MSM up to this point, people will probably feel more comfortable with him. Obama has certainly got boatloads more "charisma" and "appeal" than McCain for sure.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

68. even my Houston,TX hardcore * voting/loving friends say HELL NO!

[Imagevision]

69. Repugs are giving the dems the WH. no questions asked...

[JNelson6563]

70. No but I also was certain Kerry'd kick Bush's ass

Of course we know things will go differently this time, at least from our end of things. No swift boat liars going uncountered for 3 weeks this time.

Julie

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

71. Kerry was dynamic.

"I believe..."

[cloudythescribbler]

72. Don't forget how the MSM and the Swiftboaters can "turn things around" -- remember 1988!

I would still say that Obama has the edge

[SemiCharmedQuark]

73. The last two elections taught me that no matter how awful the candidate is, the Repuublicans can p

pull out a win using sleazy tactics.

[ramapo]

74. Absolutely, McCain can win

Obama inspires, motivates, excites. Obama has and will respond immediately and forcefully to smears, attacks, swiftboats, and the like.

But I will not for a second underestimate the Republican attack and propaganda machine. Max Cleland is a prime example that nobody is immune.

We will see a constant stream of fear, uncertainty, and doubt. Lies, more lies, damned lies. Make no mistake that millions of Americans are vulnerable. Witness the elections of 2000 and 2004 if you don't believe it.

Polls mean crap. I wish there wasn't one more published.

You are right to say diligence, work, never let up until Nov. 5th creates the best scenario for Nov. 5th.

[JustAnotherGen]

75. ramapo

Well said. Well said. And excellent point on Cleland. They've also tried to discredit Murtha. . .