Birth Certificate vs Certificate of Live Births - Freepers all atwitter!

[jackster]

Anyone else hear of the newest complaint about Obama's birth certificate. That it is called a Certificate of Live Birth and NOT a Birth Certificate.

I shit you not. This is what the freepers I deal with are yammering about. The little research I did seems to indicate that all US birth certificates are actually called Certificates of Live Birth.

Is this not correct?

[TechBear_Seattle]

1. You are correct: "birth certificate" is legally incorrect

These documents are properly called "certificates of live birth."

[TornadoTN]

2. A reich-winger at my office was using this talking point today

Until I had my wife bring my birth certificate by the office and confronted my co-worker with it. It says "State of Tennessee Certificate of Live Birth".

I asked, so I guess that means I'm a muslim in disguise and hate America, using your logic. I received no response.

[Liberalboy]

3. Yea!

Good for you on confronting her!

[TornadoTN]

11. I hate being confrontational at work, but one can only take so much of the hate mail

She is huge into sending out the chain mails saying Obama is a Muslim (all with HUSSEIN capitalized of course) and other filth and dredge. I normally overlook it because of her stupidity, but I just couldn't let this one go by without a challenge. She knows I'm a big Obama supporter so her spreading those lies in front of me was her first mistake. I'm going to start sending out e-mails debunking her claims when she sends out the e-mails until we are both told to stop.

[jackster]

14. Although it probably won't sway her....

It may sway some of those on her list. Remember to REPLY ALL. I do that and they no longer send me the swill.

[TornadoTN]

17. She's too far gone for that - but the e-mail directory is ripe

Many people in my company are Democrats of the liberal variety, they just keep it quiet because we have a very load and outspoken contingent of Limbaugh/Gawd/Guns Republican Christofacists.

[Maat]

32. But, Jackster, I did that with a little reply of mine ...

and found out that I'm not welcome in my in-laws town of Enid, Oklahoma. Seems that little email of mine lit some fires ... burning that proverbial bridge to my fundamentalist in-laws all down.

HeeHee (you can tell that I'm broken up about it).

[jackster]

59. oh I set off some fires in Perry, Florida too!

My family fired off some emails telling me to mind my business(AFTER THEY SENT ME THE EMAIL AT WORK)but now we're fine. They KNOW not to discuss politics with me. I wipe the floor with them.

[Maat]

71. HeeHee - good for you (n/t)!

[mrs_p]

19. you can do this at your work?

i know that if i sent a political email at my last job to "everyone" i would have been in deep doodoo

[TornadoTN]

22. It's not a problem where I work

It's almost ingrained into the corporate structure, especially in election years. We are mid-size company and our e-mail directory probably has about 75-100 names on it for corporate office folks. All of us are on a first name basis, know each other very well and most of us know each others families.

I can see how it would be a problem in other environments, but ours is such that we can send out the chain mails and such. My general rule of thumb is not to send anything unless its 100% factually accurate and cited appropriately. I dont send that many out unless its something very important and I'll send it to the personal email rather than the work email.

[ingac70]

12. I'd wave that in her face from now on...

just to be an asshole! :evilgrin:

[LiberalFighter]

47. Did you also request that she bring her birth certificate in too?

Of course she will probably have thought of doing that and bringing hers in tomorrow. But then when she checks it she will find hers is that way too.

Just a caveat. The original will most likely be entitled "Certificate of Live Birth". But the computer generated copy is not as likely. So if she brings in a computer generated copy be ready to challenge her.

[Connie_Corleone]

4. Those dumbasses!!

I just looked at mine and it says Certificate of Live Birth.

[jackster]

5. Thanks!

I didn't think I was losing my mind - These idiots are from Florida and I confirmed that my FLORIDA birth certificate from 1956 which is a copy of the ORIGINAL, says CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH.

[Berry Cool]

6. That's what MY photocopy of the original said.

Not the one I got when I requested a copy in 2003--that one looks like the one Obama gave to Kos--but the photocopy of the actual 1961 original. It says "CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH." It's the one my mother got in order to enroll me in kindergarten.

[LiberalFighter]

48. Same here. Copy of original is "Certificate of Live Birth" BUT

the computer generated one is "Birth Certificate"

[blogslut]

7. Correct me if I'm wrong here

But perhaps the term "Certificate of Live Birth" indicates that a baby is born alive as opposed to stillborn?

[jackster]

9. I assume you are correct, HOWEVER,

it is still the "official" name for what we informally call a birth certificate. Or so that's what I'm discovering from the US Census and other sites that all cite CERTIFICATES OF LIVE BIRTHS.

[blogslut]

25. Well, it's a bullshit issue

...from people that have nothing but bullshit. Let them rant to the rafters. They're idiots and they are constantly proving their idiocy.

[Berry Cool]

42. Indeed it does.

There is infomation on the photocopy of my original birth certificate that is not on the modern version I received in 2003. Such as, how many babies had my mother given live birth to prior to me, and how many babies had she had that were "born dead" prior to me (0, in her case). Health departments keep track of this, or at least they used to.

There's also the sexist aspect of having a space on which to list the father's occupation at the time, but no similar space for the mother's occupation--the assumption at the time being that she simply would not have one.

[ingac70]

8. Certificate of live birth is correct.

The Republicons are collectively going insane!

[RichardRay]

10. Now THAT'S grasping at straws!!

I guess I believe they have nothing better to do, but it's not easy.

[Hawkeye-X]

13. Mom still has the original. It says "Certificate of Live Birth"

in Colorado. These Freepers are nuts.

[TBF]

38. Freepers must be born on another planet - my 1966 original (WI) says "Certificate of Live Birth"

[LiberalFighter]

50. Is the certificate Form No VS 1 -- 100M -- 3/53 ??

Check upper left for info.

[Faygo Kid]

15. Freepers can read???

In that case, let's send them a few thousand copies of "My Pet Goat." Would be a good one for them to start with.

[JackBeck]

18. And here I was thinking the whole time

they merely enjoyed drooling over pictures of their sisters and mothers in lingerie.

[jackster]

20. Funny....

One of the major freepers I spar with and the one who brought this point up, once argued with me for days over an article I posted. The article, with its date clearly visible, was about an issue that had been brewing for a couple of years. I can't even remember now what it was. But the day AFTER the article appeared on line (again with the date prominently displayed) when I posted the article and commented upon it, the freeper argued incessantly that the article was not current and was several years old. I didn't have much history with him at that point and patiently tried to point out that yes, the story itself might be old, but the article updating the story was only one day old. He couldn't get it.

And this guy claims to be a real estate agent. Oh, a semi-retired real estate agent. A CATHOLIC freeper who doesn't get the irony that he assails Obama for attending a "racist" church while he is lives and breathes the Catholic Church. When I pointed out to him that he might be a hypocrite and that by his logic he should be called a pedophile, he posted a discussion entitled "Jackster says all Catholics are Pedophiles." Never married, no children. Spends HOURS online searching every right wing wacko site he can find for the strangest bits of news and doesn't know the difference between fact and opinion.

Have I just described the perfect Freeper?

[TBF]

39. Obviously they can't read or they would know what their birth certificate says ;)

[JackBeck]

16. I say we make all Freepers show proof of their birth certificates

Just to see whether they are actual human beings and not some lower form of vertebrates jumping up and down on their keyboards.

[Monk06]

24. They don't have birth certificates. They have numbers tatooed on thier ears

[ingac70]

31. lol

:thumbsup:

[eppur_se_muova]

41. So ... the little plastic ear tags are passé ? nt

[LiberalFighter]

51. Should be tattooed someplace else.

[JoFerret]

21. What astonishing trivia

Amazing.

[marshall]

23. I don't understand the obsession with his birth certificate

Is the suspicion that he was born in Africa and somehow secreted into Hawaii?
From reading Obama's book I do think he has some confusion over whether his parents were actually married, and perhaps that is why he is guarded about personal documents. But what difference would that make? It's obvious that he couldn't have been born anywhere other than in Hawaii.
It just doesn't make sense to me, other than a random invasion of privacy over something that doesn't make a difference.

[jackster]

27. I think they are tryingto prove that he is illegitimate...

but I'm not sure. The goal posts keep moving!

[marshall]

33. He all but admits it in his book,

So where is the big revelation?

Some people might even consider it a good thing, as it would give him an even more tenuous connection to his father.

[whistler162]

40. Perhaps he was born in Hawaii but I have my doubts.....

have we ever seen him Surf?

Makes you wonder doesn't it!;}

[PatGund]

56. Actually.....

....that is an arguement they're using, that he may have actually been born in Kenya instead of Hawaii.

Or that his parents weren't married, (like that has ANYTHING to do with his mom being a citizen.

The most convoluted ones are that his mother was 18 when he was born, and since she wasn't a legal adult at the time and his father wasn't a citizen, that somehow that makes him not a natural citizen. (A varient is that Hawaiian state law stated that the citizen parent had to live in the US for ten years, five of those years after the age of 16. Since she was 18, that means she didn't qualify for that and therefore he is not a "legit" US citizen.

And the other is that President Clinton acknowledged that the overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii was illegal. Therefore the annexation of Hawaii, (and eventual statehood) was illegal and Hawaii is not a real state.

There's also a couple insisting that US law mandates that the child take the last name of the citizen parent, therefor his name should be Barry Soltero, and that since his name is Barack Obama, it's proof he wasn't born in the US. (WHAT????)

Larry Johnson's mental breakdown / train wreck of a blog has some echo chamber masturbation about this around the 15th of this month. Bring hip boots

[1Hippiechick]

58. Implication that the name "Birth Certificate" is illegal, which infers that the document is illegal

[jackster]

26. NOW he's changing the subject and telling me that

A CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH is not the same as a CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH.

Is there any such thing as a Certificiation of Live Birth?

[ingac70]

28. They are the same thing. n/t

[Recursion]

29. "You need to establish proof of birth."

"I'm standing here, aren't I?"

[WorseBeforeBetter]

30. Mine, from Pennsylvania, reads "Certification of Birth"...

not to confuse the issue. ;-)

[Maat]

35. But how do we know it was a LIVE birth ..

HeeHee.

:rofl:

Sorry - I kid (with me, I think I really hatched out of an egg - I couldn't possibly have come from the she-devil that is my mother).

[TahitiNut]

34. Mine, issued by Michigan in 1943, says "CERTIFICATE OF BIRTH"

I guess I was resurrected. :shrug: :dunce:

[Binka]

54. No Way! OMG You Must Have Been Born In The 60's! You Are My Generation Man!

Too cool for the 40's for sure!

[TahitiNut]

55. I'm just a victim ...

... of delayed development. :evilgrin: An olde phart ... who never got over being 23 years old. This Sunday is the 42nd anniversary of my 23rd birthday. I found an age I liked and stuck to it.

:hug: :loveya:

[Binka]

70. Happy Early Birthday!

I will throw you a DU virtual party on Sunday!

[K Gardner]

36. Holy Moly ! He was not BORN ALIVE ! I knew it !

[Brigid]

37. Mine says, "Birth Certificate."

Missouri, 1958. What's the difference? :shrug:

[Catherine Vincent]

43. Stupid Freepers!

[tyedyeto]

44. My certificate from California dated 1952 says

Certificate of Live Birth.

OMFG, I'm not a citizen as I have been led to believe for almost 56 years!

How do I get a 'CORRECT' Birth Certificate??

[LiberalFighter]

53. Use the state's computer generated birth certificate.

[Princess Buttercup]

45. Certificate of Birth

Because I just had the Important Records folder out to copy shot records so I can send my kids to camp (hooray!) I looked at all of the birth certificates. All of ours say "Certificate of Birth."

[Rosa Luxemburg]

46. what, are the Freepers saying that he is dead?

[SwampG8r]

49. my wife is a midwife and fills out about a dozen and a half a week

certificate of live birth is what they call them
always have

[PBS Poll-435]

52. Well, Dick Cheney came with a MCO instead of a COLB

Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin.

[DevonRex]

67. That was funny. :)

[Hekate]

57. My two kids were born in Hawai'i and the PDF of Obama's birth cert looks an awful lot like theirs

For crying out loud. What IS it with some people?! FYI to Repubs --> Hawai'i has been the 50th state for almost 50 years. Other than that, what else are they getting at?

Hekate

[NoFederales]

60. Confuse them; start talking about Certifcates of StillBorn, or get real crazy on 'em. nt

NoFederales

[Kaylee]

61. That's what my "Birth Certicificate" is called, too...

:shrug:

[MaineDem]

63. Mine too

(Some) Republicans scare me.

[LTR]

62. Counter with this

If some wingnut tries to throw this at you, then demand they give one instance of someone receiving a "Certificate of Live Birth" that wasn't born where it claims he/she was. If they can't, then they are full of shit.

Hey, they're full of shit already. A Certificate of Live Birth is the same exact thing as a birth certificate.

[crankychatter]

64. NO, Galdang it! It needs to say "BURF SURTIFFEEKUT" like Rush sez - nt

[gasperc]

65. thier assholes, plain and simple, next they will demand 20 witnesses

to Obama's birth, these conservatives are whacked out assholes, plain and simple

[Love Bug]

66. Well, Freepers are not known for their sterling language skills,

as the DU hate mailbag proves.

[Buzz Clik]

68. Good. Keep them distracted. When they get bored with that...

throw them a ball of tinfoil.

[chapel hill dem]

72. They now have faked up a certificate to show the birth of a dog and are claiming

that the Kos pdf is a Photoshopped fake.

I do not get it. As long as he is a "natural born citizen" everything is OK. Why all of the fuss for nothing?

[Phx_Dem]

69. My birth certificate simply says

"Certificate of Vital Records." No where on it does it say either "birth certificate" or "certificate of live birth." It's an original with the state seal on it. Since it doesn't say "certificate of live birth" does that mean I was born dead, or not born at all? :shrug:

Apparently, it's good enough for the U.S. Government work because I got a U.S. Passport with my "Certificate of Vital Records."

[mnhtnbb]

73. "Certification of Birth" issued by New York City. I do think

the old certificate I had (which burned up in our house fire last summer) was a Certificate
of Birth.