At some point we need to tell the Clinton's and their die hard holdouts to "GET IN LINE"

[wndycty]

"Go ahead, fall in love, be for somebody," Clinton said. "But when the primary's over, let's fall in line and bring the White House back to our party."--Bill Clinton at Tom Harkin's Steak Fry, 9/13/03



http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/09/13/clinton.iowa/

It time for Bill Clinton to head his own words.

I have tried to be respectful and hopeful that the Clinton's would do their part to heal the party. I would much rather have Hillary pleading with her husband and her holdouts to "get in line" than to have her out on the campaign trail, ideally I would like both but it her responsibility to talk to the PUMA's and others about the need to rally behind Obama.

I DON'T WANT TO REFIGHT THE PRIMARY, I WANT TO MOVE ON BUT THIS IS ON THE CLINTONS, NOT OBAMA

It is so damned easy to take part in a photo op with Obama and do appearances, but I'm more concerned with the real and substantive actions of the Clintons, what they are telling friends and how they are conducting themselves behind the scenes.

[cali]

1. I don't think it's worth worrying about

they're gonna do what they do, and Obama simply has to deal with it.

[tekisui]

2. It's Obama vs McLiar, the M$M , and the deadenders.

That's okay, he can take them.

[JNelson6563]

3. Agreed.

I watched as he said those words. I knew he was right though I was not happy.

Now we shall see if that applies to he and Hillary or just the little people.

Julie

[sufrommich]

4. What's with the DU Clinton obsession lately?

Is everyone just bored with the campaign?

[wndycty]

7. Speaking for myself, I have no obsession I have barely mentioned Bill or Hillary. . .

. . .since the primary ended but the news of the last few days motivated me to speak up.

[Doremus]

25. Maybe you should ask the MSM. It's all they can talk about this morning.

It's hard enough to keep attention focused on our message long enough for anyone to hear it. Now we have this distraction. That's really great.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Are they working for McCain?
Maybe he promised to pay off her debt.
The more she pulls this stuff the less respect I have for her.

[sufrommich]

26. Yes, no doubt McCain has secretly promised to pay

her off.They killed Vince Foster,too. :puke: . There is virtually no difference anymore between DU and Free Republic when it comes to unbridled hatred for the Clintons.

[Doremus]

42. I wouldn't know so I'll take your word for that.

What I do know is that the Clinton/Obama chasm is NOT helping and IS harming our efforts.

If you disagree that infighting at this point in the campaign is harmful, then I guess you're pretty happy right about now. Enjoy.

[sufrommich]

43. Yes, because accusing the Clintons of

being bought and paid for by the republicans is in no way promoting infighting. I'm sure your statement as such was an innocent plea for unity.

[Beacool]

45. You've said it!!!

The Freepers toned down their vitriol in the last 4 months of the primary, while over here it went into overdrive. I guess the "unity" meme is only a one way street for some.........

[paulk]

54. they haven't gotten enough Hillary hate since Obama was

declared the presumptive nominee. This brouhaha over the convention allows them, like a junkie, to get another fix...

[Saturday]

5. "I DON'T WANT TO REFIGHT THE PRIMARY"

Of course you do. Why else would you bring this here? This isn't about the Clintons anymore unless you want to keep it alive so you can blame them if Obama were to lose. The Clinton's are not in this race and you injecting them because the media wants a fight is obtuse.

[wndycty]

6. Look at my posts since the primary ended I have no desire to keep it alive. . .

. . .I have barely mentioned them. But when I see Bill Clinton behaving the way he did during the ABC NEWS interview, I read that Hillary is still trying to get her name on the convention ballot and she thinks Obama won't win I will speak up.

[Saturday]

8. "behaving the way he did"

Face it, anything BC says will be "behaving the way he did" to you. You are taking the bait of the media....this is not about the Clintons. This is a stir the pot story that you have latched on to.

[wndycty]

10. So are you saying that the Bill and Hillary have gotten in line as Bill instructed us to do in 2003

?????

[Saturday]

18. Yes, I am.

They're in line as much as any other Democrat. Why aren't you complaining about the fact Edwards, Biden, Dodd, Gore etc aren't out there campaigning? I want to love you wndycty because of our location but you're obsessing on the Clintons and you're wrong to be doing it.

[wndycty]

21. Obsessing? I start one thread since the primaries and I'm obssessing?

No, I'm reacting to their actions.

[Saturday]

32. You didn't answer my question. nt

[sufrommich]

9. Where and when did Hillary Clinton say that she thinks Obama

won't win?

There was nothing wrong with anything Bill Clinton said in that interview and there is nothing unusual about including other candidates in the balloting at the convention.

[wndycty]

11. Is Hillary putting her name on the ballot at the convention an act of getting in line. . .

. . .as Bill encouraged Democrats to do in 2003? For the record I agreed with him back then when he said it.

[sufrommich]

14. She's campaigning for Obama!

That's called getting in line. Her balloting votes are nothing more than a nod to her supporters,and unless we hear from the Obama campaign that they are against it,I'm assuming they're OK with it.

[wndycty]

16. And putting knifes in his back when she is off stage

-snip-
But behind the united front, says an adviser, "it's not a great relationship, and it's probably not going to become one." In private conversations, associates say, Clinton remains skeptical that Obama can win in the fall. That's a sentiment some other Democrats believe is not just a prediction but a wish, because it would prove her right about his weaknesses as a general-election candidate and possibly pave the way for her to run again in 2012.
-snip-

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1830119,00.html

[sufrommich]

17. Ah, the anonymous "adviser" and "some democrats"

if it's reported on an online blog it must be true!! In this so far tepid presidential race,I'm sure the press has no interest in stirring the shit.Right.

[wndycty]

20. You can blame the media all you want, but its up to Hillary and Bill to step up. . .

. . .she could start by declaring she does not want her name on the convention ballot and Bill can come out with a strong endorsement.

Those two actions can shut the media up.

[Saturday]

19. I read somewhere that she isn't going to put her name on the ballot. nt

[genna]

12. Watching Hillary's comments on a floor vote, I wanted to say a few things

Does she want real unity?
What does this move buy her in the long term?
How is this going to help Obama get the hold outs?

Why does it seem like either Clintons' words correspond with GOP moves? Or is this about taking pot shots at Obama which cost them little to nothing?


I have no idea if Bill Clinton is speaking at the convention. If he is, what witty remarks will he have about Obama leading on DAY 1?

[SwampG8r]

47. dont argue with them

you have drawn the attention of the hillary enablers here who see no damage in her actions and hate in every criticism of the clintons
find a wall in your home and talk to it
it will be more responding and frankly more intelligent than the 6 maybe 7 spin controllers spinning away here to help hillary destroy our chances to win

[End Of The Road]

13. I don't think it's worth worrying about either.

With the primaries over, the Clintons are completely off the radar to virtually all of the voting public.

[Beacool]

46. The Clintons will never be off the radar.

To the chagrin of some and the joy of others.

[Ganja Ninja]

15. Bill Clinton does not have to support Barack Obama.

If he wants to then fine. If he doesn't want to it's no big deal. He's a big boy and he can make up his own mind.

And as for PUMA, it is nothing more than a scam run by a long time GOP supporter.

So there really is no need to rehash this.

[beachmom]

29. True. If he doesn't say another word for the rest of the campaign,

that works for me. After all, in 2004, he was PRAISING Bush for how he was handling the war on terror and the war in Iraq. We don't need that passive aggressive backstabbing this time.

[Marrah_G]

22. Why are you insisting on continuing the primary fight?

The Clintons ARE supporting Obama. The rest of us are trying to move on. But instead there are a bunch of you who just will not let it go. You bash and bash and then act oh so fucking shocked when people defend them.

Stop the bashing, focus on November, Obama understands this, why don't you?

[wndycty]

23. I'm bashing? I'm just asking for the Clinton's and their supporters to head Bills words from . . .

. . .9/13/03.

If they are supporting Obama why does she want to put her name on the ballot?

Let it go? This is the first I have mentioned the Clinton's since the primary, don't accuse me of not letting go, I have moved on but when I see what is going on with the Clintons I felt the need to speak up.

[Marrah_G]

27. Did you freak out when Jesse Jackson's name was on the ballot?

Hillary and Bill ARE supporting Obama. They have done everything he has asked. They will continue to campaign for him wherever they are asked to.

As for the Convention: You realize it is completely fucking normal for them to do this right? For her to be forced not to WOULD be seen as a slap by her supporters who now support Obama. Obama is still going to win. He is STILL going to be the nominee.

Obama came out with a joint statement yesterday on this. He is all for it. Why not follow his lead instead of piling on and forcing a good chunk of DU to be on the defensive?

Let's focus on stomping McCain and getting the Obama's into the WH. I'd really like to do that, and to find some joy in doing that. But every time myself and other start getting to that point we have a week long stomp-hillary-and-bill marathon here that just leaves a nasty and bitter taste in our mouths.

I would feel the same if it were any of our candidates being piled on like this. The recent Edwards bashing also pisses me off.

[wndycty]

28. Jesse Jackson? What year was that?

I see you want to draw comparisons with the past but it should be noted the climate in whatever you are referring to is completely different than this year.

[Marrah_G]

30. The point is it is a NORMAL formality.

No one is talking about a brokered convention. No one is trying to take anything away from Obama. Her name will be on the first ballot.

Exhibit A: Shirley Chisholm, the first African American and the first woman to run for the top spot of a major party received 152 votes on the first ballot and during the roll call in 1972 and she did not even win a primary state!

Exhibit B: Jesse Jackson 1984.

[wndycty]

31. A normal formality that can be divisive this year. . .

. . .and it doesn't necessarily happen every year.

[Marrah_G]

34. It is only divisive to those who want it to be

To the rest of us it is a great show of unity and respect.

[wndycty]

35. LOL, whatever

:kick: Lets add Edwards to the ballot then too, he is deserving as well.

[Marrah_G]

37. Absolutely! I would be all for that.

[Arkansas Granny]

38. It will be even more divisive to ignore Hillary and her millions of supporters.

Hillary's campaign was every bit as historic as Obama's was which is one reason it has been so emotionally charged. It will not have any effect on Obama's nomination to allow Hillary and her supporters the recognition of having a roll call vote. It might go a long way to promoting party unity.

[Beacool]

48. You're absolutely correct, but they still don't get it.

They act as if a) Hillary's campaign was any less historical than Obama's and b) Obama had won the nomination by a landslide.

Hillary deserves the roll call and her supporters deserve to be able to celebrate her hard fought campaign.

[QC]

52. They get it: they just want to stir shit. n/t

[SwampG8r]

49. i supported shirley in 72

the REAL first woman candidate with a possibility to win the nomination in a major party

[TexasObserver]

24. They're all over the news with their latest stunt

"Bill's mad. Hillary's mad"

Sore losers.

[Arkansas Granny]

33. The Clinton's are in line and yes, you do want to refight the primaries.

Hillary has made appearances with Obama and on his behalf with more rallies scheduled for this weekend. She has endorsed Obama and urged her supporters to do the same. The media is trying to manufacture a rift with Bill which doesn't exist. I'm sure that his appearances on Obama's behalf are being carefully orchestrated for maximum benefit.

The media never misses a chance to highlight controversy, even if they have to manufacture it, because they would lose their audience without it. As far as PUMA is concerned, most of these people are not true Hillary supporters, but using her as an excuse not to support Obama. Hillary is not responsible for PUMA and she has stressed to her supporters the need to get behind Obama and defeat John McCain.

[JTFrog]

39. The only line they are standing in is the line to the 2012 elections.

She is stoking the fires every which way she can and Bill's lukewarm non support is a joke.

You don't stress your support for the opponent by encouraging your supporters to go out and march in the streets in an effort to get you nominated at the convention.

COGNITIVE DISSONANCE, APPLY DIRECTLY TO FOREHEAD.

[Honu one]

50. COGNITIVE DISSONANCE, APPLY DIRECTLY TO FOREHEAD

Dead on.

The recent actions of the Clintons and their supporters clearly represent the desire to keep the hope of a Hillary presidency alive. They are not about healing or unity.

[eshfemme]

36. I think we should be patient

There's a time to freak out but I don't think that it's now. Granted, it's annoying to still see some of the bitterness still on display as it always leads to weirdness and is just counterproductive when there's still a lot we have to do. But for now, there's no confirmation that Hillary's behavior is anything less of supportive. There's only hearsay and innuendo-- although Bill's behavior REALLY does not help. I can concede that Hillary can't really control her followers now since I think the PUMA people are all caught up in the "injustice" of it all that they probably are beyond the point of reason but I do hope that Hillary can help prevent any further Bill episodes. It is detrimental to party unity, Hillary's standing as well as Bill's dignity as a former US President. Not to mention the drama it brings to a presidential campaign that already has enough to handle with McCain and the media allied against it.

I have to say though that if there's ANY confirmation at all, Hillary would probably be immolating any future chances of a bright political career. So I'm really betting on the hope that she's smart enough to see this. After all, Ted Kennedy's not a bad role model to consider for her.

[Evergreen Emerald]

40. Perhaps Obama could have them arrested for heresy

THAT would shut "them" up.

[TexasObserver]

55. Giving them lousy seats at the Inauguration will do as a start.

[barack the house]

41. It's a very good point the party members should be talking with Bill they can pursuade him best.

[Rene]

44. what facist nation do you live in? Folks...all folks have a right to their opinion.

and the 1st Amendment rights to express it. If Obama is struggling....that's HIS issue. personally, i can't stand the empty suited pander bear.

[Beacool]

53. Oh, Oh, now you did it!!!

They'll go after you and demand a loyalty oath.

:scared:

[QC]

51. The Clinton's what? His dog? His golf clubs? What? n/t

[SidneyCarton]

56. The Clintons are in line...

Their supporters are almost all in line. The PUMA's are a good example of why you must be careful whipping up the mob, because while they might pick up their torches and pitchforks on cue, they don't necessarily put them down when you tell them to. There is power in militancy and contrarianism, and the PUMA's include many who are reveling in that power.

[ensho]

57. does everybody have to salute and click their heels too

nt

[QC]

58. Genuflecting would be so much more appropriate, don't you think? n/t

[ensho]

60. was going to add curtsy but it wasn't military enough

since everyone was told to get in line as if commanded.


genuflecting is for Queens and Popes

I do neither, salute or genuflect

[wndycty]

61. So when Hillary isn't a candidate Bill wants everyone to fall in line, but when she is a candidate

. . .he chooses to ignore his advice?

[ensho]

64. don't change the subject - I was talking about the op commanding tone

nt

[QC]

62. How about prostration?

That might convey appropriate reverence and penitence.

[ensho]

65. ah, 3 specimens of the human male race

nt

[dkf]

59. They've been in politics long enough so that they shouldn't have to be told.

Even Republicans don't act like this.

[otherlander]

63. Clintons.

Not Clinton's.