Bill Press states this AM that Hillary is considering putting her name in for nomination in Denver!

[Windy]

What is wrong with the Clintons? I guess they do want to try and sabotage the election this year. Why even make that statement???

I know that on some posts I recently stated that Hillary may get picked for VP and that it would be better than Bayh.

It was only a temporary lapse into irrational thinking. This woman cannot be on the ticket. She continues to prove herself to be divisive even within her own party. We can't have that sort of divisiveness as a VP if we want to get anything done in this country.

I guess that's why she hasn't told the PUMAs to move on!

Disgusting...

Edited to add link:
http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=5528104

[DrDan]

1. Good Lord - as you said "Bill Press states . . . "

perhaps you should let it play out and see if he knows what he is talking about.

Seems to be a bit premature to restart some clinton-bashing until confirmed.


just my thought.

[Windy]

17. Please look at the link now posted in my original OP....Press has it right n/t

[DrDan]

20. ok - so I quickly read it

please direct me to anyplace it said that Clinton is behind any of this - putting her name in nomination. Her supporters would be in favor - and a lot of pundits are suggesting it. But I did not see where she is pushing for it.

I remain skeptical.

[liberalmike27]

51. Would Result in Democratic Melt-down in 2008

I agree, I've not heard this anywhere, to start off with, and I think it remains yet another desperate ploy, by a few folks who just won't let go.

But imagine if this happened, and she happened to wrangle enough of the supers over to win. Democrats depend on 92 of 100 black folks to get close to 50 percent each year. What do you think is going to happen to both black turnout, and the percentages? I think we'd see less blacks voting, not only that, we'd see them more incredibly pissed off than we've seen them since poor MLK was shot.

If she tries this ploy, and loses, she totally ruins her chances for any future run in 2012, and by the way, if Bill Clinton ruins it, the same thing will result. Their chances of ever being in office again, will suffer greatly.

So, either scenario looks bleak, and it does not look like a pragmatic solution to make. We all know that it will be a negative thing for both Obama, and Hillary, so I doubt she'd commit political suicide in this manner.

I'd just advise Hillary supporters who are still smarting to keep applying the neo-sporin ointment of reality onto their wounds, and start healing, rather than continuing to peel off the scab of discontent.

[DrDan]

59. well - not sure I totally agree

but I am also concerned over the possibility of an obama loss. What would it mean for an obama loss in the GE? Would it not offer the potential you suggest then as well?

It would also aid the situation if the obama supporters would recognize the voting bloc clinton brings to the table - and would stop the clinton hating. There was enough of that coming from FR the past few years - DU does not need to pick up the pace on this hatred.

[Butch350]

100. Please direct me to a place where she is stopping it!

[TexasObserver]

2. Hillary can't stand not being important.

She'd better get used to it. She has killed any chance she has of being anyone important in the next Democratic administration. She'll be lucky if the senate doesn't stick her in a rookie office.

[Marrah_G]

3. When you are done tearing out your hair and rending your garments......

Take look back and see that this is completely normal.

Did you flip out when Jesse Jackson was on the ballot?

It is a polite formality given to those who fought a long hard race.

She will be on the ballot. Obama will still be the nominee. Those of you who's heads are exploding over anything Clinton will look like complete and total morans after the convention, when the sky does not, in fact, fall.

Take the lead from our own candidate:

Joint Obama-Clinton statement on convention

“We are working together to make sure the fall campaign and the convention are a success. At the Democratic Convention, we will ensure that the voices of everyone who participated in this historic process are respected and our party will be fully unified heading into the November election.”

[TheDebbieDee]

24. Standard Operating Procedures for Clinton bashers is to

assign Machiavellian motives to any action involving the Clintons, whether the Clintons are personally involved in the action or not.

None of the Hill-haters will care that placing her name on the ballot is a tradition that has occurred in every previous Democratic Convention. It's just easier for them to believe that the Clintons are subverting democracy again!

[liberalmike27]

55. No

We just see it as an action that would destroy Obama's chances of winning, and Hillary's future.

[SeaLyons]

60. Oh for Godsakes...

Are you kidding me??? How dramatic and rediculous.

[DrDan]

77. well your lack of confidence in obama is showing

[ObamaIL]

93. When Hillary Could Simply Release Her Delegates

There seems good cause to wonder about her motives. And yes, Obama needs the party behind him to win, so why wouldn't worry about Clinton ef'ing up the convention go hand and hand with worrying about Obama's chances?

[DrDan]

95. and if obama-supporters would let go of their

clinton-hating - and quit stoking the fire with their clinton-hatred, we might move along to some party unification.

[Butch350]

101. I think Hillary's political future is now....

I believe that's the way Hillary c's it. Me thinks that if she gets a chance to run 4 pres in 2012 her chances to win are much
slimmer than they are now. Me will not vote for any clinton in the future even if they're running against the devil!

[Meshuga]

42. Good post

This is just symbolic move to make history. I was an Obama supporter/voter in the primaries but I think Clinton is deserving of the honor for her accomplishments in this past primary season. Obama is going to be the nominee so I don't know what the fuss is all about.

[ccharles000]

4. I have yet to form an opinion on this.

This has been posted more times than it should have. Lets all move on and stop bashing her.

[Butch350]

102. "F" her!

[Saturday]

5. So what? nt

[cali]

6. Why shouldn't she?

Seriously, she has the right to do so. Others certainly have. I don't see the problem.

[genna]

11. 1980 Kennedy floor vote=Reagan wins, 1984 Gary Hart floor vote = Reagan wins

Hillary floor vote in 2008 = ? wins.


Your 15 minutes of fame ended in April. Perhaps we can move around Planet Clinton so that the Democratic Party can win in November?

Maybe every complaint or gripe should be discussed so Planet Clinton feels 'heard'.

[rpannier]

16. Oh please... 1984

That's a crappy analogy.

I was in college in 84.
We were gonna get snuffed no matter what.
Hart's nameon the floor vote meant NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe you should have also thrown in... Jerry Brown was on the floor vote and Bill Clinton won.

[BigDDem]

25. Brilliant!!!!!!!

If there's a floor vote we lose.
If there's not a floor vote we win!

Way to go!

:rofl:

[DrDan]

39. so - an "out" should the Dems lose

blame it on Clinton.

Brilliant - but not too original.

[Butch350]

103. Bullshit you'll blame it on Obama!

[DrDan]

37. Planet Clinton has fielded millions of voters

time to recognize that.

A good test for how well obama can manage this. If he doesn't, then should he be our candidate.

[GoesTo11]

58. A test for how well Obama can manage this?

I'm sorry, one person cannot "manage" another - certainly not in this case where Hillary doesn't work for him. How is he going to manage her? She has to manage herself. She is still a member of the party, and the whole point of a party is to work together. Those that are still totally enraptured by Hillary and how great she is have to hold her to the high standard they ascribe to her, and that standard is showing she has the power and skill to get the Dems to win in November, not showing that she can get them to lose. And, damn it, that's the standard a man would be held to.

[DrDan]

63. so you do not feel he can manage his campaign?

One person cannot "manage" another? Wow. Our whole corporate structure is doomed to failure should they get wind of this.

[GoesTo11]

84. He can't manage me or you or Hillary if we're not on his staff

She's not in his corporate structure. She's free to do what she wants.

[DrDan]

86. who has more delegates?

in the context of the Democratic Party and it's nomination procedures, he absolutely has the ability to manage the process.

If he can't manage that - with his delegate lead - then I fear for the outcome of the GE.

Amazing - I have more confidence in him than the supporters on this site - and I am not an obamabot (or a hillbot, for that matter).

[QC]

80. Is this your first campaign? n/t

[Richardo]

7. Wow! That's only happened dozens of times in the history of the country!

A floor vote for the nominee? Panic in the streets!

[endthewar]

78. Well, the sky DID fall each one of those times you know

hence the hole in the ozone layer. :rofl:

[WeDidIt]

8. doing Everything in Her Power to Insure Obama Loses

I used to love the Clintons but after this I consider Joe Lieberman to be a better Democrat.

[Saturday]

10. Will this be your first convention? nt

[WeDidIt]

28. Nope

LEt's see, Jackson's supporters make waves in 1988. Dukakis loses.

Hart makes waves in '84, Mondale loses.

Kennedy makes waves in '80, Carter loses.

Reagan makes waves over on the Republican side in '76, Ford loses.

Let's not even get into '72 and '68.

Yep, real loser we got going on, all because of the Clintons.

[Marrah_G]

14. Were you this upset when Jesse Jackson was on the 84' ballot?

And your comment about Lieberman being a better Democrat them Hillary.....that says more about your lack of political knowledge then anything else.

[WeDidIt]

29. We lost in '84

I supported Jackson in '84 and knew it was a bad idea then.

[Marrah_G]

31. Our losing had nothing to do with Jesse on the ballot.........

Just as Jerry Brown's being on the ballot had nothing to do with Clinton's win in 92.

[WeDidIt]

33. Contentious conventions result in losses

You cannot buck the historical precedent.

[Marrah_G]

34. This is a simple formality, nothing more.

Did Jerry Brown ruin Clinton's shot in 92?

There is no under-lying plot. The Clinton's are not out to ruin Obama. This entire thing is getting incredibly absurd.

[WeDidIt]

40. Jerry Brown barely had any support

I ought to know as I was one of the few, and putting his name into nomination was the WRONG THING TO DO!

Jesse JAckson ruined Michael Dukakis' chances in '88

Gary Hart ruined Walter Mondale's chances in '84

Ted Kennedy ruined Jimmy Carter's chances in '80

Ronald Reagan ruined Gerald Ford's chances in '76

Let's not even get into '72 and '68.

[QC]

82. Yeah, Dukakis would have won if not for Jesse Jackson.

His loss had nothing to do with him being a lousy candidate who ran the most incompetent campaign in history--it was all a matter of there being a roll call vote at the convention.

Good lord, you couldn't possibly believe this. It's amazing the mental gymnastics and contortions some people will do to feed their obsessive hatred of all things Clinton. Not even the freepers are this desperate.

[DrDan]

21. get a grip

look at what you are saying.

[WeDidIt]

30. I KNOW what I'm saying

And I stand by it.

[DrDan]

36. calm down - just pre-convention posturing

Good Lord - this place is nuts.

[WeDidIt]

38. We want to win

and it's obvious that the only way Hillary Clinton ever gets another shot at the presidency is if Obama LOSES. That is incontrovertable. so naturally any time she gives even teh appearance of being contentious, it comes off as her attempting to insure Obama loses.

This is Hillary clinton's fault. Nobody else's.

[DrDan]

41. best way to win is to look presidential - and for the supporters to

look mature in their voting choices.

Supporters are letting obama down looking like chickens-with-their-heads cut off.

Quit blaming the Clintons - we all get enough of that from FR.

[WeDidIt]

43. NO, HILLARY is teh one doing this, NOT OBAMA OR his supporters

Get it straight.

This is 100% Hillary's fault.

If Obama loses this year, I will NEVER forgive teh clintons becuase it will be 100% THEIR FAULT!

[DrDan]

45. Perhaps you should reconsider that screen-name, something like

IWantAnyDemExceptForAClinton-AndThatIncludesWeinieLieberman

[WeDidIt]

46. If Hillary was acting like a Democrat

I'd have no problems with her.

[DrDan]

49. And how does a Democrat act?

Did you read the article? Exactly what did Hillary do? Not her supporters. Not the opinion of the pundits. What did Hillary do that has you so upset?

[WeDidIt]

50. They don't try to undermine the nominee

which is precisely what Hillary is trying to do.

[DrDan]

52. c'mon - be specific

what did she do to undermine obama

[WeDidIt]

57. First she said she would NOT put her name in for nomination

now she says she might.

That is undermining the Obama campaign. The convention is about the nominee, not Hillary Clinton.

[sufrommich]

47. Sometimes I have trouble deciding whether some posts are

attempts at satire or entirely serious. This is one of them.

[WeDidIt]

53. My post is 100% serious

Hillary Clinton has proven she is now attempting to undermine Obama's campaign.

[DrDan]

54. proven?

how? what did she do?

[WeDidIt]

56. First she says she won't put her nam in nomination

now she says she might.

She's undermining Obama's campaign. And since her last possible chance to be president would hinge on Obama losing this year so she can run in 2012, it makes perfect sense. She's got nothing to lose.

[DrDan]

61. did you read the article

"The New York Daily News reported Friday that Clinton has decided not to submit a signed request to the DNC to have her name put into nomination"

Please support your allegation. Where did she say she might?

[WeDidIt]

65. She saiid that on August 1

She said this yesterday:

Sen. Hillary Clinton Seeks Democratic Convention Voice
Sen. Hillary Clinton Not Ruling Out Having Name Put Up for Vote in Denver
By RICK KLEIN and DAVID CHALIAN
Aug. 6, 2008

Sen. Hillary Clinton told a gathering of supporters last week that she's looking for a "strategy" for her delegates to have their voices heard and "respected" at the Democratic National Convention -- and did not rule out the possibility of having her name placed into nomination at the convention alongside Sen. Barack Obama's.


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=5528104&page=1

[DrDan]

67. why are you so fearful?

Where is your confidence in obama?

[WeDidIt]

69. History

1968
1972

Hell, the Republcians proved this was a loser in 1976

Then there was 1980, 1984, and 1988.

[WeDidIt]

71. History

Basically, every election from 1968 - 1988 PROVES that pulling this shit effectively causes the party doing it to lose.

[DrDan]

72. well - time to pack up our bags then

you have convinced me. It is now a losing cause.

[WeDidIt]

83. It's not too late

Hillary simply needs to stop undermining Obama.

[DrDan]

85. well - you are entitled to your entitlement theory

[DrDan]

62. source?

[WeDidIt]

64. Sure

First she says she won't put her name in for nomination:

Hillary Clinton asks not to be nominated at Democratic National Convention
By MICHAEL SAUL and THOMAS M. DeFRANK
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS

Updated Friday, August 1st 2008, 9:59 AM

Hillary Clinton has decided against being nominated for President at the Democrats' Denver convention, but many of her more die-hard partisans may vote for her anyway.

A source close to the New York senator confirmed she won't file a formal request to the convention asking to be nominated along with Barack Obama, who eked out the victory in their fierce primary slugfest.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/07/31/2008-07-31_hillary_clinton_asks_not_to_be_nominated.html

Then she says she might:

Sen. Hillary Clinton Seeks Democratic Convention Voice
Sen. Hillary Clinton Not Ruling Out Having Name Put Up for Vote in Denver
By RICK KLEIN and DAVID CHALIAN
Aug. 6, 2008

Sen. Hillary Clinton told a gathering of supporters last week that she's looking for a "strategy" for her delegates to have their voices heard and "respected" at the Democratic National Convention -- and did not rule out the possibility of having her name placed into nomination at the convention alongside Sen. Barack Obama's.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=5528104&page=1

[DrDan]

66. well - if you want to run scared because "no decisions have been made"

then it will be a loooooooong campaign.

[Arkansas Granny]

73. Have you considered that by recognizing Senator Clinton's historic campaign

and showing some respect for her and her millions of supporters at the convention, it will help build pary unity? No one expects that Obama's nomination will be thwarted or the Clinton is trying to steal it from him. The Democratic party needs to pull together in order to get Obama elected. If allowing Clinton's name on the ballot for a roll call vote can help build the unity we need I see no harm in allowing it. This measure of respect has been shown to other losing candidates in the past.

[DrDan]

48. well good - you have your scapegoat in case obama loses

convenient

[WeDidIt]

68. IF it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck

It's a duck.

Clinton is directly undermining Obama.

[DrDan]

70. well - time to panic then . . .

[Skwmom]

9. Obama needs a supercharged, exciting ticket to drowned out the Clintons.

And as luck would have it, there is one

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6601060

[ObamaIL]

96. Schweitzer may be Good, But it would Take Gore to Drown them out

That's one of the reasons he might want to pick Hillary.

[NightWatcher]

12. he's praying and hoping that she stays in... Have you heard his radio show?

he's still the biggest Pro-Hillary employee, I mean advocate. I cant beleive he still has a national show.

[Windy]

32. Oh I agree. I can't stand Press, and I generally don't listen to him.

I tuned out Air America with the exit of the Young Turks after the ouster of Mark Maron and the moving of Rachel Maddow.

Press is a Hillary fan, no question. Even he said this morning that it was time for the Clintons' to give it up believe it or not.

[marshall]

13. It's all about them--the election doesn't matter unless they are in it.

That's why we lost the last two cycles.

[sufrommich]

15. The Clinton's must be all powerful if all

Democratic elections succeed or fail based on them.:eyes:

[TexasObserver]

23. That's why we lost the last two cycles.

the election doesn't matter to them unless they are in it.

[Arkansas Granny]

75. Are you implying that the Clinton's are responsible for 8 years of GWB?

[SuperTrouper]

18. The MSM is running with this story

it is like trying to kill Dracula with a silver bullet instead of a stake through his heart :banghead:

[Ian David]

19. Who cares? Let the PUMAstaop have their fun.

[Gman]

22. Hillary should be nominated

and then, she makes a dramatic speech withdrawing her name while endorsing Obama. THe drama of it could motivate many of her 18 million voters that are very ambivalent right now.

{Ha! Madeja look!}

[TheDebbieDee]

26. Once again, you Clinton-haters have something to hyperventilate

over. I wish your heads really would explode!

It's traditional to put other candidates for the nomination on the ballot. You Clinton-bashers are constantly exposing yourselves as the petty, misinformed mouth-breathers that they are.

[Saturday]

27. Not only that.....

they run with this media induced hype like it was gospel! And we call Republicans sheeple. :eyes:

[DrDan]

74. FR would stand in awe of the clinton-hatred found in this forum

[QC]

81. Very true. Ever since last fall, this place has been Free Republic 1998.

It's amazing how far DU has fallen in just a few months.

[truebrit71]

91. Get behind the nominee or get out...

...DU rules...very, VERY simple....

[QC]

92. Getting behind the nominee does not mean trashing other Democrats 24/7.

Frankly, I think some people here do not want unity--they want continued conflict. Why would they want such a thing?

[ObamaIL]

94. Especially This Year Why Wouldn't She Release Her Delegates? n/t

[lamp_shade]

35. I smell a set-up

A collaboration of sorts. A trap. Stay tuned.

[ruggerson]

44. Is there an email list you all get your talking points from?

[endthewar]

76. Stop being braindead. ABC News trying to divide the Democratic Party.

In case you didn't get this TPS report during the Philadelphia Democratic Primary Debate, you should understand it now. The youtube video of Hillary Clinton is being misinterpreted as well as her thoughts about putting her name in for nomination. She made it clear that she won't be the nominee. However, Hillary is trying to find a way to reach the small percentage of her most fervent supporters who say that they won't vote for Obama. Hillary is putting on her political pundit hat and suggesting that we appease some of her supporters so that they can get it out of their system and then get behind Obama. It's really that simple.

Stop sharing the same brain as the braindead media.

[onehandle]

79. Hillary endorsed Obama. Any DUers who thinks this is anything more that just simple politics...

...knows little about politics. Which doesn't surprise me at all.

The Obama campaign and Hillary's people are working on unity at the convention.

Posts like yours are what are divisive.

[Zuiderelle]

87. Oh shut up.

Disgusting... you got that right. Your OP.

[MasonJar]

88. She has already said she would not. Does he have proof she has

changed her mind?

[goodgd_yall]

89. Media stunt

How can you all get riled up over something a mainstream network guy says?

[David Zephyr]

90. Hi Windy, having her name on the roll call is traditional. Obama is in complete control.

There will be great unity in Denver. You can trust David Zephyr on this one. Great unity and you will be proud.

[BigDDem]

97. Hey Windy -

I also heard that Hillary was going to make it rain really really bad the night Obama gives his acceptance speech outdoors. I bet you heard this too, right?

[DrDan]

98. don't worry - if it rains - the clinton's will be blamed

[BigDDem]

99. Oh, I know

If Michelle's dress gets panned it'll be the Clintons fault

[my3boyz]

104. Evil witch! nt