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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 08:46 AM
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"The Age Issue" - Andrew Sullivan tosses it out there.
The Age Issue
07 Aug 2008 09:24 am



I've tended to dismiss it in the past but a reader directs me to this medical article, Cognitive Impairment without Dementia in Older Adults. He writes:

The March 2008 issue of Annals of Internal Medicine, the prestigious peer-reviewed journal published by the American College of Physicians, has an article by fourteen PhD's and MD's who do scientific and medical research at Duke University, University of Michigan, RAND Corporation, University of Southern California, and University of Iowa, entitled Prevalence of Cognitive Impairment without Dementia in the United States.

In this study which was conducted from July 2001 through March 2005, and initially included 1770 individuals, their results state: In 2002, an estimated 5.4 million people (22.2%) in the United States age 71 years or older had cognitive impairment without dementia. Furthermore, the Editors note the following: This study of 856 individuals from the national Health and Retirement Study found that 22% of adults age 71 or older had cognitive impairment that did not reach the threshold for dementia. Annually, about 8% of those with cognitive impairment without dementia died and about 12% progressed to dementia. Implication Cognitive impairment without dementia probably affects a large segment of the elderly population. —The Editors

McCain clearly falls in the population susceptible to this -

- not Alzheimers, but less pronounced cognitive impairment, described thus: Some older people may have mild cognitive problems without meeting criteria for dementia. Mild cognitive impairment might affect attention, language, judgment, memory, reading, or writing. It may be noticeable to the individual or to other people, but it does not severely impair activities of daily living. Few studies examine the frequency and course of mild cognitive impairment in older adults.But couuld it affect decison-making in highly complex areas where answers require strong mental skillls and swift assimilation of new facts. Under the pressure of a campaign or public office, this is not easy. Running a war with potential terror strikes imminent may be not a time when you hope your president isn't having an off-day and a litte confused - Shiites? Sunni? Which are the bad guys?. Few doubt that Reagan suffered some mental decline in office - though not into subsequent Alzheimers till after office.

It seems to me a legitimate and not too rude a subject to bring up in the campaign.S here's an opening challege: craft an ad that legitimately and fairly raises the issue of whether he is too old to lead; and one less high-minded one that strings clips of gaffes, stumbles, mental blocks in public, and mistakes to make the guy seem like Abraham Simpson on a bad day. put "YouTube ad contest" in the contents line.

(Photo: Republican presidential candidate U.S. Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) speaks at a town hall meeting at Reed High School on July 29, 2008 in Sparks, Nevada. By Max Whittaker/Getty.)

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/08/the-age-issue.html
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 08:51 AM
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1. While Sully doesn't rule the media's world the way Drudge does, this is still big....
And will get a certain amount of repetition.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 08:51 AM
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2. I've said as much. 72 is too fucking old to start running a country.
We need to slam the old man into the ground. It's not "ageism", it's medical fact that he's just too likely not to have all of his faculties at his age--and he daily demonstrates this.
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 08:55 AM
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4. Depends
Some 72 year olds are totally on top of things. Some are clearly declining. Like McCain.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:17 AM
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9. "Depends"
Good one! :rofl:
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:53 AM
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11. Imagine a cartoon "Can the country depend on John McCain' and he's
surrounded by boxes of depends and a walker.
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 11:04 AM
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12. Can't go there.
But we can work the word into conversation, just like Republicans always slip in Democrat Party, presumptuous, etc.
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corkhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 11:52 AM
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14. they're using "audacity" a lot too, I've noticed.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:25 AM
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10. I don't know if it's "medical". More like, it's LIFE
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 08:52 AM
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3. Sully is having a take back the campaign contest
to make our own attack ads. Fair or unfair, but they have to be better than using Paris.

He started off by showing this oldie but goodie. I can't post it in political videos because it was posted back in January. I can't reply to get it to the top of the list, even though only about 6 ppl responded, because the thread is too old.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nqtL-P8kzo
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tulsakatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 08:58 AM
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5. a good starting point for the video would be.......
...the biker rally where he was trying to ask if they were angry about $4.00 per gallon of gas! He couldn't even get the words out!!

And the reason why is because he doesn't relate to that. He has never had to pay $4.00 for a gallon of gas not to mention having to figure out what to give up in exchange for paying for the gas.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:07 AM
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7. or this one in Panama City, Florida!!!!:
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archiemo Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:06 AM
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6. Constitution requires age minimum...WHY?
I don't understand why the Constitution sets forth a requirement to be president is that one must be 35 years old. Why? Did the framers potentially recognize that a minimum amount of life experience and maturity would be necessary to be an effective leader and thereby picked a somewhat arbitrary age minimum? Well by the same token, where in the heck is the age maximum???? I'm sure we could all list a myriad of reasons for having an age maximum. I'm not saying that a 75 year old person wouldn't be an exception to the rule but on the same note there is probably a 30 year old that could be just as effective...
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 11:45 AM
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13. How rare was it to live past 75 in the 1700's?
I'm guessing they assumed the electorate wouldn't even consider voting for someone who is about to die based on established statistics.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:14 AM
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8. A stylish little knife job by Andy
We need more of that on our side.
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inthebrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 11:54 AM
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15. Andy Sullivan is a real cool cat
Can't say that I agree with everything he says but one of the few guys who at least trys to tell the truth as best he can. I also like guys who are willing to revise their thoughts and ideas as new evidence arises.


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