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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 11:46 PM
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Poll question: What would be the best reason to have Evan Bayh as the VP nominee?
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 11:49 PM
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1. One reason only:
Hillary, Wes Clark, Joe Biden, Brian Schweitzer, Bill Richardson and Kathleen Sibelius
all died in a small plane crash.

Other than that, I can't think of ANY reason to have Bayh as our VP nominee........
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 12:02 AM
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2. If I prefer other Democrats for Obama's choice, I'm in with
whichever choice he makes.

I think Bayh is certainly on the short list.

I think there are 8 names. Bayh's included.

Obama is mounting a battle extraordinaire for states the Pukes traditionally coast thru. Indiana is one such.

It is an open argument whether Bayh would bring Indiana to the blue column. But no other Democrat would make it any closer than whatever the final outcome. Bayh has let's say, a 49% chance of bringing Indiana. Richardson almost certainly gives us New Mexico, but Indiana is way redder than a lot of states, so it would take Bayh, plus a very well-funded and grassroots-level push by Jill Long Thompson, the Democratic gubernatorial candidate, to win Indiana.

But a strong Obama wave, great door-to-door work by Jill Long Thompson, PLUS Evan Bayh on the ticket, might well do the trick. By no means easy but by no means out of the question.

Were Bayh to serve as vice president, we would have the benefit of his father's advice. Birch Bayh is alive and well, and a major Constitutional expert. And very damned liberal as well. His voice would be the second-most important one Bayh would listen to as Obama's vice president.

The last point has been made by a handful of DU poster. When you lift Jimmy Carter out of Georgia, he is a global mind, a far-reaching reformer of energy policy and Middle East peace. We don't know if Evan Bayh might not have the same reach in him. He has to be a politician in Indiana, and you can't do that very successfully if you drift too far left. He plays it too safe for most progressives, but I believe once he is lifted out of Muncie and Terre Haute, we might see the son of Birch Bayh instead of the blue Senator in a red state Evan Bayh we know now.
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nsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 01:21 AM
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3. I'll give it a try.
Three reasons in ascending order of importance:

1) The obvious reason to pick Bayh is that, without him, Obama probably has no chance of carrying Indiana. Even with Bayh, it's a stretch, but without him it's hard to imagine.

2) A different reason is that Bayh clearly meets the two principal requirements for the VP spot. He creates no obvious problems for the ticket and will be seen as someone who could assume the presidency on the first day if necessary. He served two successful terms as governor of Indiana and has been a senator for 10 years, including stints on the Armed Services and Intelligence committees. Regardless of what one thinks of the votes he made as senator, it would be very difficult for the media or the Republicans to say that Bayh was unqualified or underqualified. This is of special importance for Obama because they certainly will try to make that argument about him. Not giving them more ammunition by picking a running mate with a thin resume would be a good move. Now, obviously, several of the other potential candidates meet these requirements too (e.g, Biden and Clark), but a few maybe have problems on this score (e.g., Kaine and Sebelius).

3) My main reason for favoring Bayh is that I think he complements Obama well, in the way that Gore complemented Clinton in 1992. In the Obama-Bayh case, we have two young Midwesterners, with young families; both are noted for their distaste for the partisanship that afflicts Washington; both talk about working across the aisle. Obama is somewhat to the left of the Democratic party's center; Bayh is somewhat to its right (though not as far as some people here assert). While they are by no means ideological soulmates, together Obama and Bayh represent the viewpoints of the bulk of Democrats nationally, as well as those of many independents and some Republicans. On ideological grounds, this ticket might have wide appeal. On temperamental grounds, it might have even more appeal: a dollop of Midwestern reasonableness to help wash away the bitterness of the Bush-Cheney years.

Besides ideology, people often fault Bayh for his blandness, his boringness. They say he is too "vanilla." As I've said in other threads, I actually view this as an asset. Besides the experience question, the most dangerous weapon the Republicans are going to use against Obama is his alleged "exoticism." They're going to try to scare people into thinking Obama is foreign, radical, not-one-of-us. They're going to use his name, his parentage, his childhood years in Indonesia (as well as in far off Hawaii), and all the smears (madrassa education, secret Muslim, birth certificate), to try to make people view Obama as "not really American." More than the other candidates, I think Bayh -- because of both his vanilla-ness and his middle-of-the-road positions -- counters this line of attack. He comes across as the All-American boy. By choosing Bayh, Obama associates himself and his campaign with this middle-of-the-road, All-American-ness. And I think that's what he needs. Much more than excitement or charisma, Obama needs to build a solid bridge to the middle.

In his now infamous memo, Mark Penn argued Hillary Clinton should fight Obama by trying to own the word American. He argued: "Every speech should contain the line you were born in the middle of America to the middle class in the middle of the last century." This repetition of the word middle is telling. Penn was trying to make voters scared of Obama, trying to make Obama seem to be a fringe character, a radical, not a person of the safe middle ground. That's what McCain is going to try too. Because Bayh is so manifestly of the middle -- even in looks, he and his family personify an (idealized) version of middle America -- he can help Obama fight this strategy.

I especially look forward to the visual at the convention in which Bayh, his beautiful wife, and their two school-age children (boys) stand next to Obama, his beautiful wife, and their two school-age children (girls). I imagine viewers at home, who might be susceptible to the idea that Obama is too exotic or too foreign, looking at this scene and thinking: "Hey, this (the Obama family) is really just another version of that (the Bayh family). I know this. This is familiar. I'm comfortable with this. Nothing to be scared of." If I can be permitted a tortured (and possibly silly) metaphor, I think we win if people uncertain of Obama can come to view him as just the chocolate to Bayh's vanilla. Different but still good, and not at all scary.

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 01:29 AM
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4. Wow, you've made an excellent case for Bayh.......
Although his last name gives us an unitended pun that I guess is one of the drawbacks of picking this guy.

I'm buying it though.......so you've done a fantastic job.

You should post this as a thread on its own, if you haven't.
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 01:43 AM
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5. This is a really well-written case you've made, and I'm thinking about it
Edited on Wed Aug-13-08 01:43 AM by Withywindle
...but I'm still struck by the length and depth and importance of playing to utterly irrational fears of the "exotic."

My Gods, when did Americans become such CHICKENSHITS?!?

(I know, I know, 9/11, right?)

It's supposed to be "home of the brave", not "home of the bedwetters."
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 01:44 AM
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6. Yeah....but we do have to be pragmatic.
We do want to win, and we are dealing with a reasonably unreasonable electorate and the corporate media that leads them. :shrug:
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Awsi Dooger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 03:52 AM
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7. That's probably the best case I've seen for Bayh
I also appreciate your real world evaluation of our chances in Indiana. That's extremely rare, for someone to back Bayh simultaneous to understanding we have very little chance in Indiana without him, and a "stretch" with him. Bravo.

I know a half dozen big bettors who are eager to unload on McCain in Indiana, if Bayh is not the VP nominee. The current odds are a joke. It's the type of thing that won't move quickly enough, if Bayh is not the VP choice. There might be an adjustment upward but it won't be anything approaching true odds. I'm damn sure getting a big chunk.
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