Georgia President calling McCain out

[truthN08]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/13/georgian-president-challe_n_118690.html

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/13/georgian-president-to-mccain-move-from-words-to-deeds/

Basically telling him words are good but now he wants actions.

Is McCain trying to get us into a war with Russia? He's is talking shit he can't back up. He's foolish if he thinks Russia can't kick ass just like this country can. That's not a fight we need to be in.

What will the media do with this? Why is no one calling McCain presumptuous? HE is NOT the president. He had no right to open his big mouth.

[MarjorieG]

1. Which words let Georgia believe we'd back them up? To make stupid, first move.

[theboss]

2. Does anyone know what we should do?

I got nothin'.

[totodeinhere]

5. I'm not sure how to actually accomplish it, but...

we cannot stand by and passively watch the Russians swallow up small countries on their borders. There is already talk that Ukraine is next and there is even some speculation that Putin's real goal is to reconstitute the old Soviet Union.

Yes, I know that shrub's invasion of Iraq was stupid and illegal. But two wrongs don't make a right and we should not use shrub's blunders as an excuse for inaction against Putin's imperialistic agenda.

[theboss]

8. Ukraine is easy; grant them NATO membership

I think Georgia, we are going to have to compromise. We can't let the Russians install a new government or take any non-disputed Georgian territory. We may have to allow them some sort of presence and role in one or both of the disputed territories.

And then offer Georgia NATO membership.

Maybe I am naive, but I simply don't see Putin moving against NATO members.

[fed_up_mother]

21. Granting NATO membership is one of the reasons Russia is acting

They want a buffer zone of non-committed countries between them and NATO. Bush knew that pushing for Georgia's entry into NATO would rock the boat. We're talking about warmongers playing games with other warmongers. It's INSANITY!

[Trillo]

9. "two wrongs don't make a right"

I've seen this meme recently. Is it true?

In math, two negatives added make a negative, but two negatives multiplied make a positive. So, which logic does the statement address, and how does it apply? Why does the statement "two wrongs don't make a right" address an additive principal and simultaneously ignore a multiplicative one?

Perhaps it's just a meaningless meme. Perhaps not.

[Bluerthanblue]

15. so doing the 'right' thing is only for 'them'? I can't defend our

actions over these last 8yrs. We may see the threat of "Putin" acting "imperialistic"- how do you think Russia has seen our actions in Afganistan, Iraq, and threats to Iran? How would we feel if we had Russia training troops in Mexico, or Canada? We've been doing that in Georgia-

and why?????


The fuckin oil lust. This may very well spell the end of us.

[totodeinhere]

17. So are you condoning Russia's invasion of Georgia?

What would you think if they annexed Ukraine? Would you like to see a return of the Soviet Union and the Cold War?

I'm glad that Senator Obama has condemned in no uncertain terms their invasion of a sovereign country. Other Dem leaders such as Pelosi, Reid, and Biden have followed suit.

But having said that, shrub needs to be held accountable for what he did in Iraq. Impeachment or a war crimes trial after he leaves office would be appropriate IMO.

[Norrin Radd]

18. Both sides were in the wrong.

[Bluerthanblue]

19. I'm not condoning the actions of either Georgia or Russia- I condemn

the violence and war posturing.

Obama's statement was far more diplomatic than anything I've heard from anyone on this issue. He called for an end to the violence, without coming out strongly in favor of anyone- other than the innocent civilians who were being caught in the crossfire.

I will say again, WE have absolutely NO business 'training' the Georgians to fight against Russia- WE are instigating problems when we do this- America isn't the king of the world- and while Democracy is my own preferred form of government, I don't believe we can or should 'export' our beliefs onto other countries- When Russia does it it is "imperialistic" when 'we' do it it's 'defending democracy'?

I call bullshit on us.

[totodeinhere]

22. Look, I sympathize with your point of view.

And one of the sad legacies of this administration is that they have poisoned US foreign policy. If shrub calls for Russia to pull out of Georgia then a lot of people will assume that he is just furthering a neocon agenda. And that's a shame because it is a cold cruel world out there and IMO this country does need an aggressive foreign policy, but it needs to be conducted reasonably by someone like Senator Obama, and we need to repudiate the agenda of the neocons once and for all.

There was a bipartisan consensus that it was in America's best interest to fight the expansionism of the old Soviet Union. It started with Truman and it lasted until the "evil empire" finally fell. As you know, John Kennedy opposed the Soviet Union on many issues. Jimmy Carter reacted strongly when the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan and sent help in the form of equipment and training. This is the same Jimmy Carter who has fought for world peace during his entire political life.

So there is nothing new about aiding small countries that try to stand up to the big boys on the block, then the Soviet Union and now the Russian Federation.

Does that mean that we Americans have conducted a perfect foreign policy in the post WWII era? Of course not. Many mistakes have been made by Democrats and Republicans alike. And then to make matters worse the neocons took control when shrub entered the White House.

But I really do believe that standing up to the belligerent aims of Putin is in the best interest of this country, just like it was in our best interest when John Kennedy stood up to Khrushchev.

[writes3000]

3. The comments in that CNN thread are AWESOME! People see McCain's eagerness for war. n/t

[vaberella]

7. Link...

[Gabi Hayes]

20. link is in OP.....this is my favorite comment:

We should just send Georgia all those unexploded IED's from Iraq. That should make the Russia's think twice about further advances..

[Shine]

4. He's trying to show how "tough" he is. All he knows how to promote is WAR.

:eyes: People are sick of it and it won't fly.

[vaberella]

6. Wait I missed the memo? Did the Repubs steal the vote again and fast forward time since last night?

He's out of his league and there are people believing his ass and now we're setting up in a bind because we have a Presidential candidate who went way ahead of his bounds.

[anonymous171]

10. McCain is so arrogant. He thinks he's already president.

How presumptuous...

[nc4bo]

14. technically he is, that other thing in the WH can't stay sober enough to wipe his arse..

dickie boy is behind Curtain #2 is playing with his oil pipeline grid and maybe even whispering sweet nothings in McLoon's ear while Scheunemann whispers in the other.

Oh boy what a mess.

[CitizenPatriot]

16. isn;t he acting like "the ONE"?

what a jerk. his ads call obama arrogant, and look at this crap. He's negotiating on our behalf? No! Not on mine! No way. I want to LIVE.

Anyway, looks like Condi and Cheney got us knee deep in a pile of it here. or was it condi and rove? Hard to keep track of the lying snakes.

It never fails- this is the repuke message of FEAR. what's the terror alert today????? OMG! only a repuke can save you! gee, is it election time? I see...a war coming! and mc cain as the only big daddy in the house.

only problem is big daddy is crazy. he can't save anyone, not even himself, and he's already proven that. he just wants to fight some more.

how bout we get a real leader in office...a diplomat....like say...OBAMA?

[mtnester]

11. War with Russia

is a wet dream for the PNAC crowd.

[book_worm]

12. Hey Georgian president, McCain isn't the president.

[Thrill]

13. LMAO. Now back up your words Mr. Bad Ass McCain