Wondering about the delayed announcement -- there is one possible VP choice for whom the delay makes

[highplainsdem]

sense.

Hillary Clinton is at the NY state fair today, her usual visit to the fair, and an article I read yesterday said she'll be taking her usual stroll through the fairgrounds around noon.

Imagine what would happen if she is Obama's VP choice and the announcement is made just hours earlier. It would be a media frenzy, in the middle of crowded fairgrounds. And a security nightmare. It might even be so chaotic that bystanders would be injured by people in the crowd, or even reporters trying to get close to her.

I don't know of anyone else among the possible VP picks whose schedule includes any events where media reaction to the announcement could cause such serious problems.

So if it is Clinton, they'd want to wait to make the announcement until she'd left the fairgrounds.


That said, the media pundits seem to be favoring Biden, and of all the non-Clinton choices, he's the best.

He's still the wrong choice because he can't unite the party, and if Obama doesn't unite the party with a unity ticket it could cost us the election.

But Biden's much more qualified than Bayh, Kaine and Sebelius.

[Beetwasher]

1. Delayed Cuz Of Housegate

And rightly so. The story needs to keep burning.

[scheming daemons]

2. Don't get in the way of their wishing.... it's all they have left.....

Just kidding, hpd.


I know you're sincere and not a "PUMA".

[thewiseguy]

12. Actually those who think the announcement is delayed because of the house story are dreaming

[scheming daemons]

17. Actually.. the announcement hasn't been delayed at all

They told us on Tuesday that it would likely come Friday afternoon.

[JoFerret]

18. Totally deluded. I agree

Housegate- schmousegate. The vp annoucement is drama.

The pleasures of a Hillary pickwould be several:
1. It could help curb the Hillary hate and many would have to eat their foul mouthings.
2. It would show that Obama truly is a chess player - what a classic head fake on both their parts.
3. He would have a very talented person as vp and the start of his "team of rivals".

But -I will take whomever he picks.

Now we must just get the pair of them elected without handwringing and second guessing the decision.

[musicblind]

20. I Do NOT Think It Is Being Delayed Because Of House Gate

OR because Hillary is the VP. I think it is some other reason. I do not know for sure what that reason is, but I do think tihs all makes for good politics.

That being said, I do not think Hillary is an impossible choice. I could still be her.

[WeDidIt]

3. The longer it plays out

the more likely it's Hillary, IMO.

[BeyondGeography]

4. Obsession

It's not just a perfume from Calvin Klein.

[BlooInBloo]

11. Right?

[BklynChick]

5. I think it's delayed because they're riding out HouseGate as long as they can. I think it will be

Biden and the announcement will come later today or tomorrow morning. Can't wait!

[ErinBerin84]

6. anything's possible at this point.

My guess is that they want to let housegate play itself out a little more. If it is Hillary, or any other "surprise" person, it would be a great punk of the media. But, I'm expecting it to be someone who isn't that much of a surprise. And we should all remember, when we criticize Obama for not picking our favorite when he does announce, that we are not privy to vetting or whether that person even WANTED to be VP.

[Skink]

Hillary should make the nnouncement. After consideration she accepts.

[cyndensco]

26. I certainly hope you are kidding.

HILLARY should make the announcement? THEN she has to consider it?
If you are kidding, that's a good one. If not, :shrug:

[Skink]

7. Hillary should make the nnouncement. After consideration she accepts.

[mckeown1128]

8. Something tells me that Hillary would be willing to...

cancel her fair apperance to become the VP choice. I highly doubt they are deleying it so she could go the fair.

[bunnies]

9. My thoughts too.

And on the flip side... Hillary seems perfectly comfortable with media attention.

[highplainsdem]

10. No, it would be politically unwise to cancel that appearance if she's the VP pick.

She'll have some supporters who will have come to the fair just to see her.

Canceling at the last minute would be rude to them.

Canceling a day in advance, or earlier, would make it too clear that she's the running mate.

And it would still seem to be rude to people at the fair who'd hoped to see her.

As the US senator, she has her own supporters and constituency in NY (even ignoring all those who supported her presidential race). This isn't all about Obama.

[beac]

15. And if she "always" goes to the fair, Obama's people would know that and wouldn't have scheduled the

announcement for today.

It's not her.

[AllentownJake]

22. I think if she's the VP pick and she cancels her fair appearence

Her supporters would forgive her :rofl:

[TTUBatfan2008]

23. Actually it is about Obama...

This is his show, not Hillary's.

[musicblind]

28. I think he meant life in general

:shrug:

[dkf]

13. I'm guessing Hillary knows if she is in or out of the running based

on the vetting process. If the Obama campaign asked for and received all the docs related to Bill's Presidential Library, speaking engagements, overseas ventures, etc. then she has a chance. If she declined to give all that information, then I doubt it.

Based on the tepid support that has been reported lately, I think she knows she is out of the running. I also think that is why Bill is still so sour.

JMO of course.

[highplainsdem]

24. She was being criticized yesterday for being "tepid" in her speeches, right after she unexpectedly

lost a friend and supporter.

How enthused would you be about giving political speeches so soon after losing a good friend that way? I think she deserves kudos for not canceling those campaign appearances for Obama. Of course, if she HAD canceled them, she'd have been criticized for that.

And I saw one Clinton-hater here suggest there was something wrong with Clinton for being able to make public appearances so soon.

Clinton can't win, whatever she does, as far as the Clinton-haters here are concerned.

[dkf]

25. Its not just one day, its her verbage ever since the primaries were over.

"Catharsis" is one word that gives us an indication of where she is. Also "My Opponent".

[Radical Activist]

14. lol Who said there's a delay?

You can't unite the party with a divisive figure who can't reach 50% in likability polls.

[eshfemme]

16. Well, it's also possible that if it's Clark, it might be because he's in Europe making his way back.

[WA98296]

19. Hillary was strolling around the fair the day after Katrina. Thoughtless.

Another example of a compassionate conservative.

[AllentownJake]

21. If Hillary was going to be picked VP

She would have to delay her little fair visit.

The world doesn't revolve around Hillary Clinton's state fair trips.

[redqueen]

27. What delay?

Did I miss something?

[GoesTo11]

29. Kobe?

He turns 30 tomorrow.

[SurfingAtWork]

30. Once the VP pick is announced, you should still post these threads

Because they just never get old.

:eyes:

[elocs]

31. Since a specific time for the announcement was not given,

how on earth could it ever be considered to be "delayed" on Friday morning? Just some more last minute speculation.

[ContinentalOp]

32. LOL. So it's Hillary but they're going to wait a while to tell us...

so she can get in a few corn dogs and churros and then ride the tilt-a-whirl? Maybe take in a 4-H pig auction or two? Serious business.

[hedgehog]

33. Dang! I have to leave the house in an hour to take Kid to the

train station about 2 miles from the fairgrounds! If you're right, I'll never get out of the traffic!

[A-Schwarzenegger]

34. How ya, doin', high?

Ya OK?

[highplainsdem]

35. Coping. Disappointed (not in Biden - in Obama). Not at all sure we can win without a unity ticket.

I'll wait to see if the polls show I was wrong. So far they've been showing what I expected.

It looks like it is Biden -- of course it won't be official till the campaign confirms it -- and if so this was a big mistake for Obama. And he just underscored the sense many of the Clinton supporters who are holdouts had that he doesn't care about them and has contempt for Clinton. Speeches at the DNC can't overcome that.

Oh, well... Hey, it's only a crucial election -- and I suspect many of his supporters don't care if we have party unity, if we'd need a unity ticket to be certain of that. I think a lot of them would prefer losing to McCain to having Clinton on the ticket.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

36. I hope you find peace & look forward.

:)

[highplainsdem]

37. Thanks!

:)

:toast:

Seriously, I do like Biden. I've always liked him.

I just don't like the polls. Or what ignoring them says about Obama.

I'm not the type of voter he needs to worry about. I vote Dem no matter what. I'm afraid there's an assumption in the Obama camp that even if they lose a large fraction of Clinton supporters, they'll be able to register enough new voters to make up for it. I just don't see that happening.

And with global warming, the entire planet's running out of time. We need to win this election -- it's so important.

And I don't think Biden, much as I like him otherwise, can help us win.

I can't see one damn reason to choose him over Clinton, especially when the polls show how much she'd help.

So this decision tells her supporters that Obama is still fighting the primaries, still viewing her as an opponent (maybe a conquered opponent who can be treated badly) rather than an ally he respects.

And I think that we may look back later, if we lose -- and right now I wouldn't bet on our winning -- and say that this was where Obama lost the election. And it will be read as snubbing Hillary Clinton, while still expecting the Clintons' help.

This is NOT going to go over at all well with the Clintons' millions of supporters.

Oh, well. Time for a drink...

[A-Schwarzenegger]

38. I predict youll be most happily surprised in November.

[highplainsdem]

39. I hope you're right. I posted months ago aboout the importance of a Democratic victory

(and got an argument from some Obama supporters who'd never support Clinton...just as I heard from an Obama campaign activist today that many Obama supporters would never vote for him -- meaning "to hell with the Democratic Party" -- if she were on the ticket even as VP).

I don't think Obama was our best candidate, but I'll vote for him. I don't think Biden was our best possible running mate, though he was second best. I'll vote for them.

But oh how I wish we could turn back the clock and change things...