NBC/WSJ Poll says only 52% of Clinton supporters supporting Obama

[DuaneBidoux]

I find this a shocking number. Republicans always fall in behind their candidate no matter what. We have to have these Clinton people to win.

<http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26314990/>

[4dsc]

1. What's up these people??

Can anyone from the Clinton camp explain these numbers?? Sore loser's or what?

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[cliffordu]

66. Is it congenital or did you suffer a head wound??

Enjoy your visit!!

[Mojorabbit]

69. Nah

My sister is a republican and prefered Clinton to McCain. In fact I know several republican women who voted for Clinton in the primaries. Nothing to do with policy, they just liked her in particular as they really had no clue re her platform except that she was for "universal" health care. They liked that she was a strong tough woman.It amazes me that so many people I talk to think the Dems are going to implement universal health care. I worry about the disappointment when they find out it isn't so.

[DailyGrind51]

71. No, your daughters and grand-daughters are the losers, because

these stubborn Hillary supporters cut off their collective noses to spite their collective faces and now face the possibility of losing Roe v. Wade by a McCain-appointed Supreme Court.

[progressiveforever]

73. Right you are

It's the 27% decided I can't understand. The ones who are supporting McCain are pitiful and to be pitied. But if you are supposedly weighing your options....what's to weigh????

[progressiveforever]

72. If you support Clinton- explain your McCain choice.

These people do not think. Explain this to me . Please.

[Sparkly]

2. 27% undecided

There's still time.

[GarbagemanLB]

3. That number will increase in the coming months...but there will always be a segment who

have invested so much emotion into their candidate that it blinds them from logic and the real issues.

[Occam Bandage]

4. We'll not be able to get many of them, even with her as VP.

She did well among the old, white, and rural crowd. The old-white-rural voters aren't going to vote for Obama. Each candidate had their strengths and their weaknesses.

[miles 2 go]

37. So the Puma's are not really Hillary lovers as much

as black haters? You may be onto something there. This is low info people who wanted Clinton only because she was a female and wasn't that black guy.

If race is their real issue, we can't get em no matter what, so ignore them.

Pssst...I heard that McCain's grandmother was a black woman who worshiped Satan. :evilgrin:

[Lucky 13]

5. This is why Clinton needs to get her ass in gear and start working to move these folks to Obama

All this "my opponent" shit and the roll-call vote are delaying people being ready to make that switch.

[katandmoon]

27. CLINTON has to get her ass in gear? NO. OBAMA needs to get HIS ass in gear.

[WCGreen]

29. Why, he won....

What would youhave him do...

Abdicate?

[katandmoon]

32. Then if Obama WON, why does Hillary need to get HER ass in gear? Because she LOST.

And yet I still keep reading whining about how much Hillary better start supporting Obama and whipping her supporters into shape to support him!

So apparently Obama isn't as big of a winner as he could have been because some people still need convincing.

I believe it's HIS job to convince them.

[blondeatlast]

42. Does she value her political future? If she does, she'll campaign even harder for the Democratic

ticket she obviously supports.

She's done some impressive things already--she needs to step up a bit more.

[WCGreen]

70. I believe because she is a democrat....

[WeDidIt]

31. Nope, sorry, this is Clionton's problem to fix

She chose to run a GE campaign against Obama in the primaries. If Obama loses now, she will be blamed and any piossibility of 2012 will go out the window. IF you think the PUMA shit is brutal right now, you haven't seen anything after a backlash against Clinton should Obama lose.

She set herself up into this position and cannot evade responsibility should Obama lose.

[katandmoon]

34. If Obama loses, it's HILLARY'S fault?! Oh please. If Obama can't win the election

based on his own merits then it's on him. It's not on anyone else.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

39. Hmmm.... like Hillary lost on her own merits? She blamed everything and everyone

except for herself! Please...

She ran a lousy campaign and the only reason why it became close is because she played dirty, nasty politics, and the race card. Then, she turned around and blamed the media and sexism, accusing Obama of doing the same when he did no such thing.

Hillary lost because of Hillary, not because of anyone else!! She will be partly responsible if Obama loses because she divided this party with her negative, dirty campaigning, praising McSame over our candidate, and other despicable acts.

[WeDidIt]

43. Sorry, Clinton set the narrative in the primaries

which lead directly to the PUMA movement. She took the responsibility with the kitchen sink strategy.

It may not seem fair to you, but the anti-Clinton backlash should Obama lose will make 52% support from Clinton supporters at this point seem large by comparison.

[shayes51]

59. But be ready for the blame to fall on her.

Sad, but true if Obama loses.

[DrDan]

65. this is so obvious - and so lost on the hard-core here

they need a scapegoat - and HRC serves that purpose.

It amazes me how little confidence many here have in the nominee.

[shayes51]

57. Amen!!!

[miles 2 go]

38. Maybe she'll put more heart into it

after the convention. Maybe she's still holding out for hope against hope that they will vote her in.

It did occur to me after someone mentioned her brother visiting with the mcCant camp and a few other little tidbits, that she would rather face McGramps in 2012 rather than Obama. Just saying.

[onicodnem]

54. There is NOTHING she can do...

...to get us to vote for Obama, especially now that he's selected the Senator from MBNA for Veep.

[beac]

63. Welcome to DU, please enjoy our complimentary pizza.

:hi:

[Lucky 13]

76. And your choices are?

You either have to vote for the man who ousted the queen and his running mate from "MBNA", as you say...

Or for John McCain, misogynist and panderer extrordinare. The man who is bought and sold by corporate america daily. The war hawk. The liar.

So what's it going to be?

[donco6]

6. If they weren't really Dems to begin with . . .

. . . then why sweat over them?

And how could they be? To think you could actually vote for McCain over Obama simply because your candidate failed in the primary means to me that you have no concern about the primary principles of the Democratic party. And how do you begin to sway someone that intensely irrational?

So, in short, I say Fuck 'em.

[DuaneBidoux]

16. When you say "fuck 'em" to any voter you are asking for trouble.

[donco6]

30. Not if they're Republicans.

Which these idiots seem to be.

I mean, even the Bible says, "You will know them by their fruit." If they vote Republican - well, what are they? "Disgruntled Democrats?" Pfft. No effing chance.

[David Zephyr]

50. You are wasting your breath.

There is a suicidal, Stalinistic glee in saying fuck off to Hillary's supporters.

[Jackpine Radical]

7. That's nuts. I don't believe it.

Something wrong with the sample or the wording of the question or something.

Beware a setup for a right-wing propaganda move in preparation for Grand Theft, Election.

[spooky3]

18. 27% undecided or want to vote for someone else

My guess is that nearly all of these interpreted this as "if you were allowed to vote for Clinton, would you?" and that most of them will vote and vote for Obama this fall.

I think Obama needs to make strong statements supporting anti-discrimination against women in the workplace and other issues. Appealing to women over 30 goes well beyond abortion rights. Many Clinton supporters are women who have faced a lifetime of subtle and obvious discrimination in the workplace. They knew Clinton knew where they were coming from. But they may not be sure about Obama. Certainly his opponent knows where they are coming from but wants them to disappear completely.

[FreakinDJ]

8. Wasn't Clinton support skewed by Limpdick's operation KAOS

just wondering

[lamp_shade]

11. I've wondered about that too

How many of those polled were not Clinton supporters AT ALL... only claimed to be.

[FreakinDJ]

25. Pretty scary considering all the Election Fraud

The 1 side (Ratpublicans) that solely benefits from vote counting machines seeks to destroy / skew any and all poling data

I mean above all else aren't the Principals and Ideals of a Democratically Elected Government worth preserving?

[Triana]

9. I question both the source and the metrics used in these polls as well as the...

..MOTIVE behind them.

In a word: bullshit

[fascisthunter]

10. I Honestly Think this Type of Info Divides the Dems more

I understand it is information and from a perspective, it may be helpful to know this, but in the end, it will cause more division. Hopefully those who aren't supporting Obama will have a change in heart. I sure as hell didn't get my candidate... but I'll be damned to allow McBush take office.

[onicodnem]

55. Biden is NOT "change"

Biden is more of the same.

[sharesunited]

12. The 48% need to prepare themselves then to fight for choice in 50 state legislatures.

[Thrill]

13. If true. That really shows Obama's appeal, if he is still leading and only getting half of her

supporters

[uponit7771]

33. +1

[neomonkey]

14. Historically Democratic voters ain't saints either

Let's not forget that the racist "can't vote for man-child even if it means helping McTwit win" element survives well in the Democratic Party. They are the Trojan Horse no one seems to think about...I see it revealing itself in hushed or subtle tones in certain racial and class demographics. I don't think these people are so much crazy about Hillary as they are not crazy about Obama.

Granted, my observations are very anecdotal, but...extrapolating, I can't help but feel that it is more pervasive than I would care to think.

[underpants]

15. If they can be lead around by the nose by her/DLC they can be lead around to vote for Obama

we have professional working on it

[madfloridian]

17. It is her own fault. They started it during the primaries.

Scapegoating Dean for what two rogue states did in the primary.

We can win without the noisy few quite easily.

[ProSense]

19. That's not what the poll says

It's 52% of the 11% holdouts

Now, they get to decide whether they're going to support the Democratic ticket or McInsane.

[otohara]

20. Vindictive To The End?

or are they just saying that now and will come around when it comes to actually voting?

[NYC_SKP]

21. What crap...Same poll says a majority would NOT like to see HRC be president.

Go figure.
Cut and paste below:



15. Would you like to see Hillary Clinton as president some day, or not? + *

Would like to see Hillary Clinton as president some day ........... 43 <209>
Would not like to see Hillary Clinton as president some day ..... 49
Not sure .................................................................................. 8

[thoughtcrime1984]

22. ATTEMPT AT DIVISION BY RIGHT WING TOOLS

ALL CAPS for emphasis. The media, big business all, will work to the end to divide and conquer Democrats. DO NOT BELIEVE THE HYPE.

[onicodnem]

56. BIDEN is big business

Obama just selected big business for his Veep.

Joe Biden, Senator from MBNA.

[BlueManDude]

23. Many of these "Hillary Clinton Supporters" aren't even Democrats.

There's a difference you know. If this number mean anything than Obama would be losing the race by a large margin.

[bigwillq]

24. It's amazing

how some here take polls as Bible regarding the Clintons but then are skeptical of other polls.


It's fair to blame the Clinton supporters. Hopefully most of them will get behind Obama/Biden. And if they don't, well we can't force them to. They are free to vote for whomever they choose.

It's hard to blame H. Clinton at this point. I feel she is doing all she could to support Obama and to bring unity to the party. She now will only do what the Obama campaign asks of her to do.

[highplainsdem]

26. All the polls I've seen have shown the Democrats less united than the Republicans,

which pretty much cancels out our numerical advantage.

Gallup had an article on this yesterday:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/109774/Obama-Lags-Democratic-Support.aspx

Fox News released an Opinion Dynamics poll two days ago that I posted mainly because it showed that a majority of Democrats wanted Clinton as VP (which other polls have also shown). But it also showed, besides the usual findings that Democrats aren't as united as Republicans, that Clinton was still polling as strongly or more strongly against McCain as Obama was (they had the same lead over McCain but with Clinton there were fewer undecided voters), and that if in some weird alternate universe there was a McCain-Clinton ticket (never going to happen in this universe), it would get within 4 percentage points of defeating the Democratic ticket (remember, at the time of the poll no one knew who Obama's running mate would be, if it wasn't Clinton), and it would be supported by 55% of Republicans and 19% of Democrats.

DUers, because they drove so many Clinton supporters out of this forum, have almost no idea how much support Hillary Clinton has. Only in Clinton-hating echo chambers like GDP would a unity ticket have seemed like a terrible idea.

[carpetbagger]

28. What's the denominator?

I couldn't find that information on the msnbc pdf of the sampling. People tend to have selective rememberence about who they voted for. Magically, a 51-49 election becomes 60-40 or 70-30 when it gets retrospectively polled.

These folks in the poll probably don't represent the rank-and-file Clinton voters. They're a smaller group, and while the Ferraro-type dead enders are probably 3-5% of the electorate, this 48% is probably the Limbaugh Democrats, and the cranks who haven't voted for a national democrat since 1976, the "Real Democrats" like Zell Miller. Those guys wouldn't vote for Clinton anyway.

[miles 2 go]

35. So they were only voting for her because she was female?

Talk about low info folk

[Iwillnevergiveup]

36. Defecting Republicans

may take up the slack. I personally know 5 people who are lifelong Republicans who've told me not only are they voting for Obama, they've switched either to Independent or Democratic.:bounce:

[L0oniX]

40. Well isn't that special. So the 48% can help McLame win by not voting for Obama.

All the more reason to hate Clinton lovers. If we lose, they will be to blame. ASSCARROTS

[tekisui]

41. I don't believe it, and those who were Hillary supporters in the Primary

and haven't moved on to support Obama, are not Democrats and nothing will bring them around by November.

Fuck 'em.

[HughMoran]

44. Sounds like the Republican Clinton supporters to me

Any Dem who would vote for McCain over Obama is NOT a Dem.

[endthewar]

45. It's referring to people who voted for Hillary in the primaries (about 11% of the voter population)

11% isn't such a huge number, first of all. However, it is bothersome that out of this group the Obama support is too low. My analysis, however, is that they're just venting right now. No way will that number stay this low at 52% come November. Even if it does stay this low, McCain needs to drive it even lower to win.

[DuaneBidoux]

49. Perhaps, but in a close election 11% is huge.

[endthewar]

75. The discontent in the Republican Party is much worse

Ron Paul supporters are still fuming. The Ron Paul Convention will probably have just as many people as the Republican Party Convention. :rofl:

[shadowknows69]

46. Oh well., no hope for that now, guess we'll have to find new voters

You know, ones that actually give a shit about something other than themselves.

[Marrah_G]

47. Why are you spreading the MSM's attempt to divide us

All this post does is give space for a bunch of assholes to slam Hillary and create yet more division. You are unintentionally carrying water for the RW by posting this, even if your motives were good.

[Pisces]

48. Some people are stuck on stupid!!

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[thewiseguy]

53. Looks like the rethug tools are on the move this morning

So say how much are you getting paid for posting shit on DU?

[Lochloosa]

60. 300,000 in debt and he's a "big money man"

hummm....welcome to DU.:shrug:

[Lochloosa]

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[d_b]

62. You weren't supporting it anyway

Back to the barn with you.

[DuaneBidoux]

67. I think yoy may well be on the wrong site.

[azmouse]

68. I hope you like 'pizza'.

[NYC_SKP]

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[TexasObserver]

58. If 8% of Democrats typically don't vote for the Dem nominee for president ...

And if 40% of Democrats voted from Hillary,

And if 21% of 40% is 8%, guess what?

That's about the number of Democrats who typically don't vote for the Democratic nominee for president.

Now, the 27% who say they don't like Obama and would like another choice, those are primarily voters from Hillary's core of older white women. They'll either come around, or they'll betray every issue they've supported for the past 40 years. I think they'll come around. I think we're still seeing the vapor trails from the anger and disappointment from Hillary's loss. I expect those voters to back the ticket. They know the Supreme Court hangs in the balance.

[Quixote1818]

64. Nicely put. nt