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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 10:27 PM
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Caroline Kennedy telling Wolf to fuck off...
"No I'm not going to walk you thru that process", "Boy, you know a lot about the process" (said kind of sarcastically). Love it!
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 10:28 PM
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1. Sorry I missed that exchange!
ER: We Dems rock!

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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 10:32 PM
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6. oh i hope there's a video of this
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:57 PM
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48. OT but Mookie....
... I'm LOVING these old-timey FDR photos you've been posting! They are inspirational.

:hug: Mookie :hug:
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 10:28 PM
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2. Which process? Ted's treatment?
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 10:29 PM
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3. The VP selection process and how did they eventually choose a candidate and why wasn't
hillary vetted.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 10:31 PM
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4. i love how she threw out the "best political team" comment
you know she thinks it's a joke.
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 10:31 PM
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5. Caroline's riled up! She said, "Yeah. Right." to Tom Brokaw SEVERAL times on MTP on Sunday!
You go, my Favorite Kennedy!
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Riddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 10:34 PM
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7. Every democrat that's ever interviewed by one of these right-wing whores like Wolf
should do the same and let them know their disdain for their childish, partisan questions
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 10:36 PM
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8. I didn't like the way she handled it, since it's likely to have the opposite effect on Clinton
supporters.

I was hoping that the Obama campaign would have some brief, acceptable response to these questions, and I thought Caroline handled it badly, first trying clumsily to change the subject, and then coming back with a reply that seemed more than a little snarky, especially combined with that laugh.

The unfortunate impression that conveys, to anyone who wondered what was going on there, is that the Obama campaign can't explain why Clinton wasn't vetted.

And if you think that helped, with the people who were listening most closely, you're wrong.

I'm disappointed. I'd have expected the campaign to be ready to field these questions by now. Maybe some in the campaign are, but given Caroline's role in the vetting, she really seemed unprepared for that question, and ungracious, and I was stunned she didn't have an answer ready.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 10:39 PM
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11. she doesn't have to explain to Wolf their process or why Sen. Clinton wasn't selected
from what I've heard is that Sen. Clinton herself asked not to be vetted unless she was going to be chosen, so she probably disqualified herself.
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 10:46 PM
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19. No, the story from that source was that she'd asked not to be vetted unless Obama was serious
about this. Meaning she didn't want to be part of a cattle call, lots of people being vetted just to make a big show of how many he was considering. She didn't want her time wasted by vetting if he'd never had any real intention of asking her. Reasonable request.

But if in fact he hadn't ever considered her seriously, despite all the talk about her being on anyone's short list, this will go over badly with her supporters.

Rude replies to questions about what's going on don't help, either, and I can guarantee you that Caroline didn't help at all with Clinton's supporters tonight.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 10:52 PM
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22. You know something? I'm getting mighty damned sick
and tired of everyone having to worry about what HRC's supporters will think about such and such, as if they have special entitlements or something. The only reason Wolfie asked such questions was to keep the whole thing all stirred up; in fact, that's what many in the MSM are trying to do. She handled it very well, letting him know she wasn't going to fall for it and play into their hands.
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 01:56 AM
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79. You can tell Caroline has a lot of wisdom I hope she is around for a while to come. She's a historic
part of the party.
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 01:56 AM
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80. You can tell Caroline has a lot of wisdom I hope she is around for a while to come. She's a historic
Edited on Tue Aug-26-08 01:57 AM by barack the house
part of the party and a connection to what the party truly stands for.
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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 02:16 AM
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81. I'm right there! It's been building, and I'm so sick and tired of it too!
Where did they ever get the idea that the nom was hers? Why did anyone else even bother running? How dare they!

Everyone's bending over back wards not to 'insult' her and her supporters? They've been treated VERY well - more than they deserve IMO. Now just think if the shoe was on the other foot. Barack wouldn't be whining like this, and Hillary wouldn't be nearly so kind, conciliatory or placating to the (hurt) Obama supporters. The very thought of this situation occurring between 2 other candidates is - ridiculous? unimaginable?

But yes, the media is pushing it big time and a small group of Puma types are making a lot of noise... and it's getting very old.

Can they not think of ANY other question to ask? any other news or information worth discussing?
:grr:
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BornBlue Donating Member (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 11:54 AM
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119. Stop your Hillary Hating and STFU!!
:sarcasm:

I think that is the standard answer to any criticism of the goddess Hillary Clinton.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 09:37 AM
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99. dont take his bait
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 11:42 AM
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116. seconded.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 10:54 PM
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25. No, she didn't help with certain types of HRC supporters who just can't give it up
the more sensible ones are looking at tonight and the Michelle Obama speech and her praise of HRC as healing the party and bringing us together.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 09:18 AM
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94. Those "certain types" were never gonna vote for him anyway
Their primary choices were:
the white lady
the black guy
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 09:23 AM
Response to Reply #94
95. Agreed. Much else was code.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 09:25 AM
Response to Reply #95
96. And in November, those same voters will choose between
old white guy
black guy

racism transcends party
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:08 PM
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37. some of us see this differently
I was uncommitted for a long time. As a woman, I wanted to support Hillary but she completely lost me. I'm trying to forget the reasons (in my effort to unite the party) but Clinton and her surrogates demeaned Obama and it was not a two way street.

I know Clinton supporters don't see that and I could take you through it point by point and I suspect you would not be persuaded but I would have been furious with Obama if he had picked her because of her behavior during the primaries.

I know the Obama supporters have said things that upset Clinton supporters but at this point, picking him to pieces is not helping.

It's over. She knew she would never be considered. We need to move on. Her supporters need to help.

Why can't people who really wanted a woman can't be happy with a black is beyond me. Had Hillary been beat by an old white guy, I'm be more sympathetic. I'm not.

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mamalone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 12:01 AM
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50. Wow...
I really liked the way you said all that... probably mostly because I agree with every single point;)
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 12:09 AM
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51. Some people forget what Obama supporters went through here for months
how many times was I told Obama wasn't really black?

how many times were we told Obama was a Muslim? here!

how many times with the stupid birth certificate?

how many times were we told white people wouldn't vote for him, well you know, the white people that *count*.

and all these things i was told right here on DU! it was bullshit.

i am not suffering the people that take me for a fool, gladly. :rant:
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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 12:29 AM
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59. Yes, it got so bad that my daughter insisted I leave the site
for a while because of the stress it was putting on me. I didn't want to stay here and cry about it, didn't want to fight all the time, and I didn't want to put up with the things being said about me because I supported Obama so I took a break from here for a while. When I became more settled and came back, I learned to put all the people that were "Clinton" supporters who were belligerent on ignore, and I was happier then. Later I took them all off as the primary ended. But now I see some of them are still at it every time there is something that does not go the way the "Hillary" supporters MIGHT not like it. My ignore list is growing again. tch-tch-tch-tch too bad.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 12:38 AM
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62. good for you. you don't need to suffer that crap.
and i won't forget what people who claim to be so high minded were saying about Obama not long ago...stuff they can't say here anymore, but that some say in other places now.
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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 12:45 AM
Response to Reply #62
66. I cracked up at your posts down thread.
Edited on Tue Aug-26-08 12:45 AM by rebel with a cause
Yes, I remember them also. And they are probably going on my ignore list very soon. And let me make it clear, every Hillary supporter has not been put on that list, only the "Hillary" ones that were like you said, bemeaning Obama and his supporters.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 01:31 AM
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75. it really isn't who anybody supports, it's if they are asses about it
of course now i'm a total smartass, but i only did it because Skittles said it was cool. :shrug:
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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 02:48 AM
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82. "it's if they are asses about it"
Edited on Tue Aug-26-08 02:49 AM by rebel with a cause
Exactly. I have always been a smartass at times, so to some of us it only comes natural. :toast:

Edited because of a typo.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 09:25 AM
Response to Reply #59
98. Pubs believe in bullying media. I think I am converted on that point.
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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 10:46 AM
Response to Reply #98
107. You and me too.
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snake in the grass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 01:03 AM
Response to Reply #51
70. As a Kucinich supporter I sometimes wonder
at the narrow-mindedness found in both the Obama and Hillary camps. Yes, nasty things were said by Hillary supporters and attributed to Hillary personally. The same thing goes for Obama supporters who dominated this site for months, descending upon Hillary supporters with abuses that are, in my opinion, unworthy of the Democratic Party. Political allies and surrogates from both sides were pumping up the volume and nobody was an innocent victim here. It is getting really boring reading this petty crap from these two camps now that the primaries are over. Obama is the choice of the party and we all have to get behind him. The alternative is just too horrible to even consider. McCain is the fucking enemy, not Clinton or Obama! Get over yourselves.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 01:19 AM
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73. look, i don't care what people said to me in terms of my feelings, i resented their lies about Obama
Edited on Tue Aug-26-08 01:19 AM by CreekDog
and that's why i won't be playing a fool or playing nice when i see that anymore.

i am over myself, thanks. and prior to that nonsense, i was spending a fair amount of time defending Hillary AND Obama. but then i stopped defending one side because i thought the argument that someone wasn't "black" was the most vile way to win an election, except that there was a more vile way to win an election, by saying "too black".

that's why i'm not fair and balanced anymore.
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snake in the grass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 03:30 AM
Response to Reply #73
85. The nastiness
was coming from BOTH sides. It is delusional to make Obama out to be the sole victim. My point is, however, that it is really time to stop this she-did-this and he-said-that nonsense and put our energy into the coming fight. If you think Hillary was nasty just wait until the Rove machine gets some momentum. While we are here bickering about bullshit the Republicans are preparing to fight and to win. This election is not in the bag as some people believe.
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Jim Lane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 03:28 AM
Response to Reply #70
84. This Kucinich supporter agrees with you completely. (n/t)
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snake in the grass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 03:47 AM
Response to Reply #84
86. Thank you
This internecine insanity is making me ill.
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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 10:56 AM
Response to Reply #70
108. I try not to say anything too negative about people here
and I am going to get flamed for saying this, but the thing that turns me off to Kucinich (and I don't dilike the man) is the fact that some of his supporters think he is a saint and so are they. I remember some dirt thrown by Kucinich people during this whole process. Perhaps not as much as the two main camps but you guys, as a group, do not have spotless hands just as all of the Obama and Clinton people did not say nasty things about the candidates. There is good and bad in all groups and you should not lose sight of that. So I will say to you what you say to us, get over yourselves.


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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 10:20 AM
Response to Reply #37
106. My feelings exactly. I supported Hillary for a while but became totally disgusted.
At this point, I just want the Clintons to go away and be quiet for a while.
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janet118 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:52 PM
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46. The way I heard it was different . . .
I thought what was said was that she didn't want to be vetted unless she was guaranteed a spot on the ticket. This is a non-starter and rightly so.

Here's the transcript from Meet the Press:

MR. BROKAW: Three weeks ago when I interviewed Senator Obama in London, I asked him about Hillary Clinton as a prospective vice presidential candidate, and he said of course she is. There's been a fair amount of confusion since then about whether in fact she was ever taken seriously. Her people are saying she was never vetted, and now there's a report today that she says she didn't want to be vetted unless she was going to be chosen.

MS. KENNEDY: Well, I'm not--you know, I don't know all about that. But I can tell you she is obviously serious candidate, tremendous groundbreaking figure. Everybody admires her greatly. I'm confident, and she's already been out there campaigning for Senator Obama. She--he is going to need her in the Senate. You know, she ran a fantastic campaign. I'm a huge admirer of hers. So, so I think it will be great all around.


If the "report" Brokaw referred to is correct, there is no way that the Obama campaign should have or could have agreed to such a stipulation.
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 10:07 AM
Response to Reply #46
101. Brokaw misrepresented that report. Here's the WaPo story with what that Obama campaign adviser said
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/23/AR2008082300890_pf.html


Democrats largely embraced the choice, although some supporters of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton expressed disappointment that Obama's top challenger in the primaries was never considered for the second slot. A senior Obama adviser confirmed that Clinton was not asked for paperwork but said it was because she had asked Obama not to vet her unless he was seriously considering her.

It appears Obama never did. A Clinton loyalist who talked to her throughout the process said the senator from New York did not want to "make him feel he had to stage a Kabuki theater process for her" by pretending to consider her if he did not want to.

"She made it crystal clear in public and in private that this was entirely his decision to make any way he wanted, choose whomever he wanted," the loyalist said. "Clearly, he had no interest. No meetings, no conversations, no requests for information, no real consideration whatsoever. And that was his prerogative."



Emphasis added.


There is a world of difference between not wanting to go through vetting if it's only for theater, and in effect not wanting to go through vetting at all -- which is what some Obama supporters are trying to spin this into, in an attempt to suggest that Hillary Clinton (rather than Obama) made the decision against having a unity ticket.

She was willing to be vetted if Obama was seriously considering her.

She just wasn't going to be part of a cattle-call process where Obama wanted the media to believe he was considering lots of people it's unlikely he ever was giving any serious consideration to.

So it is clear that he never wanted her as his running mate. The door was open to a unity ticket. She left it open. He decided against it.
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Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 11:27 AM
Response to Reply #101
111. You know, I don't give a shit that you're a Hillary supporter.
I don't even care that you're a Hillary supporter who obviously still hasn't gotten past their disappointment. But I don't think I've seen one positive thing come out of your mouth about Obama since the primaries ended. You seem to exist just to stir shit up.
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 11:44 AM
Response to Reply #111
117. I've posted dozens of topics that were favorable to Obama, his wife, even his campaign
Edited on Tue Aug-26-08 11:47 AM by highplainsdem
manager. It isn't my fault if you ignored them.

I'm tired of these stupid attacks. I'm not going to waste time any more checking my own old topics and posting links to them, as I did one day when I was sniped at for never posting anything positive, after I'd posted several favorable topics about Obama that were completely ignored earlier that day. Or the day someone asked me how long it had been since I'd posted anything favorable about Obama, and I posted the link to the topic I'd posted a couple of hours earlier.

Many Obama supporters here seem to have absolutely no interest in any favorable topics about him. They just want to bash Clinton and former Clinton supporters, even though those former Clinton supporters are supporting the ticket.
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Baltoman991 Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 12:42 AM
Response to Reply #19
64. I'm starting
to think that if Obama and the rest of the Democrats got on their knees and kissed Clintons ass you'd still find something to say "I can guarantee you that this won't help at all with some of the Clinton supporters".

What do you want? Tell me. You want me to bow down and say Hillary deserved to win? That Obama was an evil man for swooping in and taking what was rightfully hers? Sorry, I won't. She lost.

I repeat..........she lost. It is YOU who can't seem to get over that. It is YOU who is constantly driving a wedge between the two camps.

Yeah I know, I'll be accused of hating Clinton but as I've said before, I hate no one. It's not in me to hate anyone.

And if you were a true Clinton supporter you'd be letting this crap go. I watched her this morning at the NY delegation breakfast and I watched her in the press conference. She's on board. She's not going around whining that "if he would have picked me we'd be a much stronger ticket". You supported her, then support her stance now and quit the fucking whining about it being the better ticket. It wouldn't have been the better ticket. Polls bear that out.
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Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 11:18 AM
Response to Reply #19
110. Perhaps she should have knelt and kissed Wolf's boots.
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 11:47 AM
Response to Reply #19
118. I'm sure Caroline doesn't give a fuck about Clinton holdouts.
Nor should she. Nor should we.

They are not her problem and soon they will not be ours.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 10:45 PM
Response to Reply #8
17. Since when is it required that
a nominee vet a particular VP possibility? Why should she and/or her supporters have felt entitled to a vetting? Why should he have to explain why he didn't vet her or any other VP candidate? Their sense of entitlement is truly breathtaking. I thought she handled it perfectly and I have a major problem with how the MSM is trying to stir this up every single damned chance they get. Everything's all about why Hillary wasn't vetted, why he chose Biden instead of Hillary, and aren't her supporters full of anger and lingering resentment, yaddayadda, blahblahblah. I cringed when I saw Wolfie as one of the "reporters", he's nothing more than a RW tool.
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 06:30 AM
Response to Reply #17
89. Do these morons even GET what "vetting" is ???
Vetting is where the presidential candidate has his people dig into the personal life of the potential VP pick. They ask the candidate about their sex life, if they have been faithful spouses, if they have any sex tapes floating around, they ask about drug use, every possible thing that could be embarrasing to someone, they ask them. They then ask everyone that person knows the same questions. They hire private detectives to ask these questions to people, they look in to that person's finances, what money is coming in, where it is. They just scrape through every detail of that person's life.

AND, it is disrespectful to Hillary that BO did not have her vetted when he was not going to pick her?

Perhaps the most disrespectful thing he could have done was vetting her if he was not going to pick her!

But, this is case and point where media whores do not even have the personal integrity to actually think for A SECOND before advancing whatever hairbrained right wing nonsense they are fed.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 10:56 PM
Response to Reply #8
27. Wolf was just trying to dig dirt on a private process - she owed him NOTHING. n/t
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 10:59 PM
Response to Reply #8
28. I don't know you, don't visit often, but I recognize you as an aggrieved Hillary supporter.
Please stop looking at this election, our future, through that lens. Better for you, I'd think.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:01 PM
Response to Reply #8
31. Geez, your posts are what are tiresome, imo
They live and breathe "disappointment". Life is full of "disappointments, get used to it and move on.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 12:16 AM
Response to Reply #31
57. I had to shitcan this one. A very tiresome force of negativity.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 10:18 AM
Response to Reply #57
105. Yep, and back at it this morning.....
Yet another "disappointment" OP, I am shocked, no, really, shocked! It would be more entertaining instead of simply tiresome if even a bit of subtlety was attempted.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:56 PM
Response to Reply #8
47. Let's cut to the chase here.
What do Obama and his supporters have to do to get you to not be "disappointed"? So far I've seen nothing but criticism for the Democratic ticket from you.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 12:44 AM
Response to Reply #8
65. I would be happy to pay for your pizza!
its long past time you tried one.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 04:01 AM
Response to Reply #8
87. Predictable as the sun rising in the East.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 04:10 AM
Response to Reply #8
88. oh, poor widdle cwy-baby sore-loser HRC "supporters" are still whining--isn't that special?
yes, just as I predicted, the convention is supposed to be all about Hillary. if I didn't like that woman before, I can't stand her now. I will never in my life EVER vote for her for anything, thanks to her infantile "suppporters" and the way she DOESN'T rein them in and tell them in no uncertain terms to cut the crap. gee, it almost makes me think she doesn't mind if they act all whiny and divisive ... whining and crying and stomping feet and holding your breath till you turn blue works (sometimes) for 4-year-olds, but it just makes supposed adults look like freaks.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 09:16 AM
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92. She was spot on.. It's the candidate's choice
He chose.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 09:25 AM
Response to Reply #8
97. i am waiting for you to say *anything* positive about the obama team. just go back to cap shill plz.
:puke:
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 09:41 AM
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100. COUGH** TROLL **COUGH
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 10:12 AM
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102. naw, you don't say....
:rofl:
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 10:18 AM
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104. What a surprise.
:sarcasm:
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 11:33 AM
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114. I wouldn't give Wolf Blitzer the time of day.
He's a proven asshole, and right-wing shill.

He's just trying to keep controversy going and stir up more controversy.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 11:37 AM
Response to Reply #8
115. You, disappointed? I am shocked!
From here on out, very little is going to revolve around the Clintons. You are in for a lot of disappointment in the months and years ahead. Sucks to be you, apparently.
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 10:38 PM
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9. she did the same thing to Brokaw on MTP - why would we tell you a private process?? nt
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 10:42 PM
Response to Reply #9
12. If she can't handle questions any better than she did on CNN tonight, they shoudn't be sending her
out as a spokesperson. She came across as arrogant. This was a serious question, the campaign should have some sort of answer, and it was painfully obvious that if they do have any way to explain it, Caroline doesn't know how.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 10:43 PM
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14. So far you are the only one who found her arrogant.
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 10:50 PM
Response to Reply #14
21. If you'd have preferred that she'd told Wolf off even more rudely, of course you wouldn't
find her arrogant.

But as much as many people here would prefer that Clinton's supporters NOT wonder what happened, the fact remains that they do, and the Obama campaign should have had some polite, reasonable-sounding answer prepared.
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madura Donating Member (239 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:05 PM
Response to Reply #21
35. why don't you ask your Queen instead of insulting Caroline?
why is it that you are owed so fucking much? get lost already, you are aggravating and make your queen look even worse than she may be.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:37 PM
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44. Queen?
And they wonder why people are still upset........
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 12:12 AM
Response to Reply #44
54. and how did you like this night of the convention?
what was the best part for you?

:hi:
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 12:33 AM
Response to Reply #54
60. To tell you the truth, I wasn't able to watch any of it.
I have a demanding job and today I ended up working very late, I wasn't expecting to work that late so I didn't tape it. I'm just unwinding right now. I did see a clip of Teddy and he looked good.

I do want to tape Hillary's speech tomorrow, just in case something else hits the fan at work. Would you happen to know at what time she speaks?

:D
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 12:35 AM
Response to Reply #60
61. i'll watch too. do you think you'll watch Michelle and Barack's speeches?
:hi:
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 12:53 AM
Response to Reply #61
67. I already missed Michelle's speech.
I'll try to watch Obama's and I of course want to hear Bill on Wed.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 12:56 AM
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68. Michelle's will be available online I'm sure
hope you enjoy. :hi:
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 01:35 AM
Response to Reply #68
76. Thanks!!
Take care, I'm falling asleep.

:hi:
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 11:14 AM
Response to Reply #44
109. dont take the bait bea, they are just trying to rile us up.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 06:04 PM
Response to Reply #109
120. You're right!!!
They are not worth the aggravation.

;)
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Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 11:29 AM
Response to Reply #44
112. No offense, but take a look at this list:
Obamessiah
Obambi
Obummer
Oblahma

And we, his supporters, were called "cultists", "Kool-Aid drinkers", and other less savory things.

And you wonder why we're still a little sore.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 06:05 PM
Response to Reply #112
121. That was during the primary.
Hillary is still being called every name under the sun over here. Ditto for Bill.
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 12:11 AM
Response to Reply #21
53. For people who are supposedly feminists
and strong supporters of women's issues, they sure can dish out the harsh criticisms of women like Caroline and Michelle.

Something stinks me thinks.
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 01:53 AM
Response to Reply #53
78. I hear that. That's why I Love post feminism it's more enlightened and kinder.
Edited on Tue Aug-26-08 01:54 AM by barack the house
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gal Donating Member (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 09:15 AM
Response to Reply #21
91. Answer this...
Edited on Tue Aug-26-08 09:15 AM by gal
Does they owe answers to every other candidate that lost out on the VP slot or just HRC?
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 10:49 PM
Response to Reply #12
20. Then you must have been watching in a parallel
universe, since she was anything but arrogant. What WAS arrogant was Wolfie having the gall to demand to know why Hillary wasn't vetted, and to demand the particulars of a quite private process. And he damned well knew that, he just wanted to stir it up and keep it stirred.
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:00 PM
Response to Reply #12
29. Great!!
Democrats need to get a bit arrogant and condescending. These people are tools who have a direct hand in tearing down the Country for there own financial gain.

Micheal Moore slapped the shit out of Wolfie during the Sickie interview and you know what he was arrogant and condescending. Wolfie didn't get out of his Ivory tower and drive six miles to Walter Reed for years. And Moore slammed him hard and Wolfie deserved it.
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madura Donating Member (239 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:02 PM
Response to Reply #12
32. arrogant?
:rofl:
now where have I heard that crit before?

Caroline did a great speech tonite, I haven't watched her Wolf interview, but if she was snarky toward him, GOOD FOR HER! he's underserving of being in the same room as her, the snake inthe grass.

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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 01:06 AM
Response to Reply #32
72. Maybe they meant she was "uppity". n/t
Edited on Tue Aug-26-08 01:06 AM by greguganus
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:06 PM
Response to Reply #12
36. Who do you want to win this election, highplainsdem?
:shrug:
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:14 PM
Response to Reply #36
38. wtf?
where does THAT come from?
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:22 PM
Response to Reply #38
39. I'm curious
So what?
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:30 PM
Response to Reply #39
42. it's bad
it fucking STINKS
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:43 PM
Response to Reply #42
45. something stinks alright...
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 01:05 AM
Response to Reply #42
71. If it walks, talks, and looks like a duck, then it just might be a STINKING DUCK. n/t
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 12:13 AM
Response to Reply #38
55. from paying attention
:eyes:

kick my ass if you must, but some of us have memories.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 10:14 AM
Response to Reply #38
103. c'mon Skittles, how can you not see this posters agenda? it's pretty damned clear.
:eyes:
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 12:11 AM
Response to Reply #12
52. here's a hug for you
you've had so much disappointment lately, oh so much. :hug:
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 01:00 AM
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69. You are a piece of work.
Hating on caroline....Un fricking believable.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 10:43 PM
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13. Just think if they did tell what their process was
it would be the talk all the way up to the convention. Screw the Republicans and the MSM...there's a new game in town with new rules.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 10:38 PM
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10. Wouldn't you like to see her actually tell Wolf precisely that?
"Wolf, I'm not going to answer that question. It's a private process. And by the way Wolf, go fuck off."
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 10:45 PM
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16. "And by the way Wolf, go fuck off." ......
..... and then smile sweetly.

:rofl:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 10:55 PM
Response to Reply #10
26. Yes, I would actually pay for that.
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 10:45 PM
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15. She gets it - You laugh at these people.
They are the cheerleaders/fraternity boys. When you laugh at them the think they have a zit. They get strength in numbers not from thought or morality.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 10:46 PM
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18. Great speech as usual
but yeah she seemed a little pissed off about something.. maybe it's the PUMA thing
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 10:54 PM
Response to Reply #18
24. She's probably pissed at the way the MSM is
continually trying to stir the whole Hillary thing up and create and maintain controversy. It is mighty infuriating.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:28 PM
Response to Reply #24
41. Yeah they're on it like gum on cement.
And I'll bet they stay on it for the next three months.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 12:14 AM
Response to Reply #24
56. they are trying to play up the drama that for most Democrats is simply not there
and that is infuriating.
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 10:53 PM
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23. Spunk...
The woman's got spunk.

I like spunk.
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DeschutesRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:00 PM
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30. Good for her
Nobody to my knowledge has ever bothered demanding such information on any former veep choice, repub or democrat, that I can remember. Because who the hell really cares? Or has ever cared? Until now, and just for one particular failed candidate.

She was doing the right thing to cut off inquiries raised for no other reason than to pot-stir.
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:03 PM
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33. GOBAMA!
nt
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:03 PM
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34. get OVER it, you shit-stirrer, wolf! Get OVER it you LOSERS! you PUMAs!
Looo Hoooo Hoooooooozzzzerzzzz!!!!!



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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 08:46 AM
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90. Wolfie is, indeed, a shit-stirrer and tool
of the highest magnitude. I'll never forget him right after Katrina, when he was interviewing an Army Corp of Engineers Corpman about the New Orleans levees. The corpman was talking about how the funding for the maintenance of the levees had been too low for years. Wolfie asked him point-blank, "so, who's to blame for this, Clinton?" I could NOT believe it and I think the corpman seemed a little taken aback, as well. At this point, he might as well just have a giant RW Whore sign on his forehead.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:27 PM
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40. Go Caroline!!
:yourock:
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:33 PM
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43. Great! Some Democrat also called out CNN on their..
negative coverage. Didn't catch who it was.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 11:58 PM
Response to Reply #43
49. I have yet to see or hear any of that...I wish I had.
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gal Donating Member (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 09:18 AM
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93. I think it was Hillary Rosen
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 12:23 AM
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58. Good for her!
The only way to stop the mindless games is to refuse to play.
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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 12:39 AM
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63. Mind games require at least two players.
Take the victim out of play and the gamer is left without a game.

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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 01:20 AM
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74. ...is the sort of thing that usually only happens before i wake up!
:applause:
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 01:45 AM
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77. Way to go Caroline she is an angel she really is love her.
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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 02:57 AM
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83. I didn't see her reaction on either CNN or MTP
Edited on Tue Aug-26-08 03:18 AM by davidpdx
though I will probably watch it tonight online. The way I see it she doesn't owe anyone an explanation why Clinton or anyone else didn't get picked. It was a private process by our nominee and there is no reason to continue to drag the whole thing out into the public (which is what the media and some small factions on DU want obviously). The people making a fuss about this aren't going to vote for Obama anyway, they've long decided it's better to sit home with their thumb up their ass and cry.

Edit: I thought she was very elequent on MTP. I can't find the CNN Video.
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Expose_the_RW_Idiots Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 11:30 AM
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113. In a polite way,
In a polite way, and not those exact words ......

But that was the point.

BTW, Racheal Maddow pretty much Bitch slappped Pat Buchannon on MSNBC last night, and Keith Obermann let that RW asshat Joe Scarborough have it too.

The liberals sure are froggy this time around.

Aint puttin up with no RW BS.
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