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[bearfartinthewoods]

[AP]

1. Why doesn't Nader have anything powerful to say about race and gender?

It's very confusing.

Just said he has asked Green Party not to consider him and would only run as an independant.

[JI7]

35. that's one reason

most of his support is while liberal males. if he talked about these issues i'm sure he could get more amount of support.

[bearfartinthewoods]

2. he says he's exploring a run as an independent

[AP]

3. He just endorsed Kucinich

more or less.

But he didn't say he wouldn't run if Kucinich were nominated.

Says he plays within the party rules, and that he's clear and cogent.

Commented on K losing mayor's seat after fighting electric company.

[Gman]

4. He refuses to admit he cost Gore the election

He's in total permanent denial.

[AP]

6. I agree with him. Read Toobin's book, like Nader said, and you won't blame

Nader.

[flpoljunkie]

13. Does Toobin's blame Gore's loss on Gore? Not counting ALL counties?

Rather than cherrypicking Volusia, Dade, Broward and Palm Beach?

Edited to add: Let's see Ralph, even 38% of 97,488 of the votes you received in Florida is 37,045! Hello???

[AP]

14. Toobin says:

on the morning after the election, Gore was advised by the top experts on recount law that he had to get a statewide recount. The experts told him exactly where he would find the votes he needed to win. Gore chose a four-county recount rather than follow their advice. Ultimately, the recount proved that Gore was wrong and the experts were exactly right.

However, Toobin's book isn't just about this one event. His book lays out a series of dozens of events and choices by Gore, all which were very wrong, which inexorably led to his loss. It would have been hard to pick just one to change which would have altered the outcome. Collectively, however, it looks like (1) Gore was Gore's biggest enemy, and (2) the Democrats didn't take the necessary steps to counter Republican conniving (eg, the butterfly ballot, getting black votes counted).

[flpoljunkie]

21. Thanks, AP.

Gore, whom I loyally supported, was a lousy candidate and the mercurial and pendantic Gore still does not know who he is.

[Gman]

32. I don't disagree that the Gore campaign was fubared

almost from day 1. Gore got where he did in spite of his self and his campaign. I rolled my eyes the day I heard the breaking news report about Gore inventing the Internet, regardless of what he really said and how it happened.

My only point is that but for Naders votes in FL, Gore would have won. If 75% of Nader's votes in FL would not have voted at all in the presidential election if Nader wasn't on the ballot, Gore would still have more than won FL with the remaining 25% (and I'm ball-parking this).

[ShimokitaJer]

33. 20% of registered Dems voted for Bush in 2000

This was NOT the result of the Nader campaign

This was NOT because Bush is a brilliant statesman

This is for no other reason than that Gore ran a campaign in which the vast policy differences between himself and Bush were elided rather than emphasized. And in light of the vast Republican fraud in Florida, the big scary Nader crap is getting pretty damn old.

[Gman]

37. If just 1% of Nader's votes had gone to Gore

FL would never have happened like it did. Nader got 97K votes.

The Nader "crap" may be getting old and I guess Nader supporters are going to watch it get even older. Nader and those that voted for him will have to live with what they caused for the rest of their lives.

[nolabels]

10. Permanent denial is what a lot of people suffer from

* refused to concede the loss, Gore was afraid of starting a civil war, and Ralph could not believe telling the truth might hurt some people. Bill couldn't believe opening up his trouser fly could hurt and the PNAC thought the rest of world was as ignorant as they were.

Many people live in permanent denial here in this USA. I could go on but I am sure this will get deleted before the hours up because others are also living in a state of permanent denial.

[loudnclear]

5. Nader is for Kucinich and so am I!

I agree with Nader about this one thing. Kucinich is the very best candidate ...but I doubt that he will be able to overcome the organization of Dean. If Dean would put Kucinich as his VP I would even overlook Dean's association with AIPAC.

[AP]

7. Caller complains about Corvair thing -- 'how do you feel about putting...

...GM workers out of business over mildly unsafe Corvair, when the VW beetle was the least safe car on the road? why didn't you put VW employees out of work?"

A: Well, the Corvair put people out of lives. It was very unsafe (lists the multiple defects). And I wrote one chapter about the Corvair in a book. I wrote an entire book about why small cars like the VW Beetle were unsafe.

[AP]

8. Says all candidates except Dean have met with him.

Said it was implied that they were looking for endorsements. (Only one directly asked him for endorsement.)

Said he told them all that he's endorsing Kucinich.

[demnan]

12. Good

Glad Dean didn't meet with this turkey, despite all the good things he did in the past.

[JI7]

36. might have been kerry

since they know each other i think kerry would have been comfortable asking him directly for it. but i can understand why he would support kucinich.

[maddezmom]

9. he support DK, but still might run

hmmm...he confuses me.

[flpoljunkie]

11. How convenient for Nader with Kucinich's odds of getting nod very low.

And don't tell me, Ralph Nader that the 97,488 votes you got in Florida did NOT make the difference. This, after you said you would NOT campaign in states where the race was too close to call.

[AP]

17. He has supported Kucinich from beginning.

There's nothing nefarious in it. Clearly he and Kucinich are on the same page, philosophically.

[flpoljunkie]

22. I might also add that Nader said he like John Kerry, too.

He said this last fall, I believe.

[AP]

25. He also said he respected John Edwards's career as a lawyer.

He said that in 2002, I believe.

[JI7]

34. yeah, talked about kerry and edwards at the same time

when is saw. you two might be referring to the same appearance. nader and kerry have known each other so it's no surprise he would like him. and edwards work as a trial lawyer is something that should be admired. and i of course expect him to support kucinich out of all the democratic candidates running.

[AP]

15. Calls Dean a "work in progress"

Likes what he's doing with internet. But he was a moderate governor. Perhaps he has a dramatic conversion to being a liberal. But if he has, he should be talking more about corporate abuse. (I.e., he's a little too corproate-friendly.)

[BeyondGeography]

16. Called Dean a run-of-the-mill Democrat

as Governor of Vermont who may have been "reinvigorated" for his presidential campaign.

He's a work-in-progress, according to Ralph, who, IMHO, will probably run again if Howard's liberal conversion doesn't hold up.

[Gin]

19. he "DOES" make some good points....we should listen to what he says

he has done good work for this country....I do not want him to run for president...his calling is as an advocate.

[robbedvoter]

18. I like DK, in spite of Nader. Seems Ralphie is jockeying for power with HD

Is that VP spot still open in the HD kitchen cabinet?

[liberalmike27]

24. Kucinich

If Dean were to pick Dennis for the VP, he'd lock in a loss for sure. It is almost mandatory that he ask Clark, then perhaps Edwards to be his VP, should Clark turn him down. This will silence the stupid defense debate, which is pretty moronic, as terrorism in America killed .00093% of the people in 2001, and we've been terrorist free in all the surrounding years. Heart attacks, diabetes, car wrecks, suicides, conventional murders, accidents each and every year, and a number of other things, like mad-cow disease, kill more people. We need to bring the fear in perspective.

I think viewing Lieberman--who had the name recognition going into the primary--and his steady decline of numbers from about 20% to 6% now, could point to a large part of Gore's difficulty. Clearly, a lot of folks were unhappy with Gore's choice as running mate, and are just as mad at Lieberman now.

Lieberman clearly shows by his campaign tactics that he values his candidacy over the democratic party, which I've maintained all along he is barely a member of, and I wish he'd go ahead and move to the other side.

[BeyondGeography]

20. Slamming Howard for saying he won't cut defense

Of course, Howard can't do this because he's already perceived as being weak on defense and he'd be picked apart by the Pubs in the GE over this.

Nader is correct in saying that some of the money for social spending will have to come from defense. Called the $9 bn. we're spending on missile defense a waste of money, which is correct.

By the way, Clark has promised a top-down review of defense spending. When he cuts defense, he'll have the credibility to pull it off. Not so with Howard.

[BootinUp]

28. Correct n/t

[Skittles]

23. Nader

:puke:

[maddezmom]

26. sure sounding like he wants to run at the end of the segment n/t

[bearfartinthewoods]

29. it's a damn shame he can't be trusted. it would be great to two team bush

but he proved he can't be trusted to stay out of the contested states.

damn shame...he always got press and we could have used him.

[OhioStateProgressive]

27. it was funny watching him insult that Regressive at the end(nt)

[kentuck]

30. He did slap him down pretty hard, didn't he ?

But he was deserving...:)

[OhioStateProgressive]

31. yeah it was great

i was shocked there weren't more Regressives calling him, they usually hound Nader anytime he is on a call in show