Why The Gosinski Story Is Big

[berni_mccoy]

I have to say, I'm pretty disappointed in DU for so many members discounting this story and not seeing the importance of it. If this story was reversed, and was a story about Obama, I can guarantee you there would be an army of Freepers pushing this into the MSM. And they would succeed, not because the MSM is necessarily biased for one candidate or the other, but because they persist. They have gotten some of the biggest bullshit stories into the MSM (Ayers, Rev. Wright, etc) regardless of the lack of truth or undue damage these stories have caused.

And here we have a TRUE, really huge story. Yes, it's been reported in the past and much of the story has been known. But some key parts of the story are now being uncovered, and they are extremely enlightening to McCain's corrupt character. And these are not journal entries from a relatively unknown, disgruntled employee. This is the in-person testimony of an individual who was close to the McCain family and knew McCain and his wife very well.

Gosinski is now speaking out, directly, on the record and in front of a video camera, on how McCain directly abused his office in order to cover-up the crime. This is a crime in and of itself and was not part of the original story reported back in 1994. This is the new part. McCain Obstructed Justice and he used his office to do it. If he were president, this would be an impeachable offense.

We have someone who is literally willing to risk his life and is doing so now because it is important and because he just survived a battle with cancer. He has been emboldened to do what's right no matter the risk.

And what do many DUers do with this news? Pffffftt. Non-story. No problem. Let the corrupt bastards win. And kill the messenger while they're at it.

I'm seriously disappointed DU. And to the naysayer's I say: this story is big and is a game-changer, whether you like it or not. The old story never got much coverage in 1994 because McCain wasn't running for President and it was not widely reported. Most likely the WaPo is waiting until an appropriate news cycle presents itself to get the best coverage of story. But it's up to us to keep pushing. Send this out, make people aware that McCain covered up a crime and he abused his office to do it. This really is up to us.

On edit: link to rawstory coverage: http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Whistleblower_breaks_15year_silence_to_allege_0911.html

[bunnies]

1. agreed, KnR. nt

[cayuga]

177. I'm a flip flopper

This post has changed my mind. I agree that it is a BIG story. I previously lamented how powerless we are in view of the ruthless tactics of the right. But we are the majority and we are NOT as powerless as I had believed before.

This story needs to be crammed down their throats. From now until the election. I am sure it is true and we need to get it to the point where McCorpse denies and spins it.

[cayuga]

178. I'm a flip flopper

This post has changed my mind. I agree that it is a BIG story. I previously lamented how powerless we are in view of the ruthless tactics of the right. But we are the majority and we are NOT as powerless as I had believed before.

This story needs to be crammed down their throats. From now until the election. I am sure it is true and we need to get it to the point where McCorpse denies and spins it.

[The Backlash Cometh]

2. I agree with you. The Republicans are customarily abusing their power

to cover-up these indiscretions, and then turn around and pretend their party is something it's not.

[Sensitivity]

3. How are the MSM running with it. That determine the possibility of it becoming big. Bush abuses

all the time and it is not a story till 4000 dead and the econ in the toilet

[scheming daemons]

4. I hope you're right Bernie.... but this story will get buried, coming out on 9/11

The media will be all 9/11 all day today, and nobody will talk about it.

(except Keith and Rachel).



I have no faith in the non-Rachel, non-Keith media to report on this story and give it the coverage it deserves.



But hey... some in the media have surprised me lately.... maybe they will again.

[berni_mccoy]

5. It took over a month for the DSM to get coverage

From the time the story really broke until the MSM actually discussed it. I remember that very distinctly.

[scheming daemons]

13. Sorry... what is "DSM"? I'm having a brain cramp...

[berni_mccoy]

16. Downing Street Memos.

[NewJeffCT]

22. Yes - it took a lot of work from a lot of DUers and others

writing letters, contacting people in the media and in Congress, etc, etc. to get the DSM into the news.

[Boz]

27. And if we waste that time and effort NOW on a maybe how distracted will we be from the REAL fight

[berni_mccoy]

62. Ah, the "we can only focus on one thing" mantra... fail.

[Boz]

79. Not one thing, But there are 10s of these tar pits, this is just one waste.

[MrModerate]

186. And then sank beneath the sands without a trace . . .

Except to further disgust the already disgusted with Bushian behavior.

[symbolman]

20. Yep, I remember that well.. I filmed it in the basement of congress :)

heard that NO ONE was interested so I flew deadeye from Hawaii to Wash, DC.. By the time I got there Every station had a crew there, plus many overseas news crews.. Two rooms filled with cameras, I was so caught off guard that I literally CHASED Conyers down the underground hallway and convinced him to get me Inside..

He stuck me right up front, to the dismay of a Pelosi aid who had refused to let me in..

Don't discount ANY story folks, like a future wife/husband, THIS just might be the one to change your Life :)

Way to go Berni.. I've been screaming at some people here who think we are too above it all, and that's how WE Lose..

[renate]

38. wow... I hadn't heard about your flight from Hawaii to DC!!!

What a hero! Thank you! :loveya:

[symbolman]

150. my pleasure

someone had to do it.. With the help of the DU I was able to pull it off, people like Binka who among the others was so wonderfully generous - the DU has spawned so much activism..

Wish I could do more but times are getting tough, these creatures have worn me and so many others down..

Appreciate your posts!

[texastoast]

179. Bingo!

Oh, wait. Let me see if there are more lipstick threads that might entertain me.

[understandinglife]

84. Berni, for me the 'diplomatic passport' issue ...

... is way out there bad behavior, and if the DEA has any evidence she was using it to travel with bags of illegally obtained controlled substances, then McCain would have had to pull some heavy, heavy lifting to avoid charges being brought against his wife.

So, where are the DEA files?

Whom at the DEA would have been in the chain of command that could suppress findings?

Whom were the DEA officers investigating (for what looks like at least a year)???

Lots and lots of legit questions ... for many to be asking NOW ...

Peace,
Bob

[lonestarnot]

206. K & R! I will find out locals!

[hvn_nbr_2]

160. They never really discussed it. They "J86'ed" it.

They put a paragraph on page 86 of section J, right under the mortuary ads.

[StopTheNeoCons]

113. It's tough as hell when the rules look like this...

* If you're a minority and you're selected for a job over more qualified candidates you're a "token hire."
* If you're a conservative and you're selected for a job over more qualified candidates you're a "game changer."

* Black teen pregnancies? A "crisis" in black America .
* White teen pregnancies? A "blessed event."

* If you grow up in Hawaii you're "exotic."
* Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, you're the quintessential "American story."

* Similarly, if you name you kid Barack you're "unpatriotic."
* Name your kid Track, you're "colorful."

* If you're a Democrat and you make a VP pick without fully vetting the individual you're "reckless."
* A Republican who doesn't fully vet is a "maverick."

* If you spend 3 years as a community organizer growing your organization from a staff of 1 to 13 and your budget from $70,000 to $400,000, then become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new African Amerian voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law
professor, then spend nearly 8 more years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, becoming chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, then spend nearly 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of nearly 13 million people, sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you are woefully inexperienced.

* If you spend 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, then spend 20 months as the governor of a state with 650,000 people, then you've got the most executive experience of anyone on either ticket, are the Commander in Chief of the Alaska military and are well qualified to lead the nation should you be called upon to do so because your state is the closest state to Russia.

* If you are a Democratic male candidate who is popular with millions of people you are an "arrogant celebrity."
* If you are a popular Republican female candidate you are "energizing the base."

* If you are a younger male candidate who thinks for himself and makes his own decisions you are "presumptuous."
* If you are an older male candidate who makes last minute decisions you refuse to explain, you are a "shoot from the hip" maverick.

* If you are a candidate with a Harvard law degree you are "an elitist-out of touch" with the real America .
* if you are a legacy (dad and granddad were admirals) graduate of Annapolis , with multiple disciplinary infractions you are a hero.

* If you manage a multi-million dollar nationwide campaign, you are an "empty suit."
* If you are a part time mayor of a town of 7000 people, you are an "experienced executive."

* If you go to a south side Chicago church, your beliefs are "extremist."
* If you believe in creationism and don't believe global warming is man made, you are "strongly principled."

* If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian.
* If you have been married to the same woman with whom you've been wed to for 19 years and raising 2 beautiful daughters with, you're "risky."

* If you're a black single mother of 4 who waits for 22 hours after her water breaks to seek medical attention, you're an irresponsible parent, endangering the life of your unborn child.
* But if you're a white married mother who waits 22 hours, you're spunky.

* If you're a 13-year-old Chelsea Clinton, the right-wing press calls you "First dog."
* If you're a 17-year old pregnant unwed daughter of a Republican, the right-wing press calls you "beautiful" and "courageous."

* If you kill an endangered species, you're an excellent hunter.
* If you have an abortion, you're a murderer (forget about if it happened while being raped.)

* If you teach abstinence only in sex education, you get teen parents.
* If you teach responsible age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.

* If you're a Republican senator who solicits gay sex in an airport bathroom, you get to return to your job in the Senate and are encouraged to run for re-election.
* If you're a Democratic Senator who is out of public office and have an affair, your political career is over and your wife who has terminal cancer is to blame.

[truedelphi]

151. hey Mr Four Posts - please make this its own OP

If you are not yet allowed to make an originating post, I would be glad to post it on your behalf.

Giving you full credit of course!! And I'll help see it makes it to the Greatest Page.

It is very magnificent.

[bleever]

171. Do it!

[Buck Rabbit]

181. I agree, that needs to be an OP.

[DeadEyeDyck]

184. That is quite a write up

powerful stuff.

If you were the OP, I would definitley give it a K&R

[The Traveler]

6. If nothing else, it is one more line of attack on McCain's

only real qualification for the office ... his perceived character and integrity. We don't need an obstruction of justice conviction to establish in the voters' minds the idea that McCain is willing to abuse the power of his office for personal purposes. Tie that in with Caribou Barbie's story line (Troopergate, Librarygate, etc.) and ladies and gentlemen we have a narrative!

This is a perfect line of attack for the 527's. Let's rock!

Trav

[catgirl]

7. Do you have a link Bernie?

What did he do to cover it up?

Actually can you recap the whole thing? All I know is Cindy stole (?) drugs.

[npincus]

8. it got scrubbed from WaPo website... looks like it won't see the light of day

in the MSM... refer to GD thread on the subject.

[Barack_America]

28. That was the link to the video.

There's no evidence that an article was ever posted.

Hopefully the video was just posted prematurely and taken down until the article is also posted.

If not, we need to demand answers from WaPo.

[Boz]

51. The video is posted by, and the questioner in the video is Matt Stoller, He is ANTI Obama

Heres a few of his other hits

OBAMA IS DONE
http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1307

and

"here's a shout-out to the crappy Obama advisor circle, David Axelrod, David Plouffe, Jim Margolis, Devorah Adler, and the whole gang out there. You suck!"
http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1475

So yeah, just my opinion to not put my hope on a 15 year old dead story by a guy who rips up Obama, but to actually place my hopes on the hopes and work of Obama himself.

[flamingdem]

128. Bingo, thanks for finding those links nt

[DeltaLitProf]

187. But testimony against interest is usually GOOD testimony

. . . and affects jury decisions very powerfully. If the man promoting this story WERE an Obama supporter his interview would be much more likely to be dismissed.

[Bread and Circus]

9. I guess I'm of the mind that the MSM cares more about mooseburgers than stories

that actually deal with ethical issues.

[Bread and Circus]

10. The other thing is that it won't be a big story unless Obama makes it a big story...

and I'm not confident he will. In fact I'm pretty sure they won't "go there".

[Lex]

12. or Keith or Rachel . . .

nt

[Boz]

21. They will both put this on the level of Lary Sinclair, they have seen it all before

[Lex]

23. are you 100% certain of that?

[Boz]

30. Yes, this isnt either of their first go rounds

This isnt the first time this has been reported as breaking news.

[lonestarnot]

131. And you are sure that all talkers are out and talking in this single leaked story?

There may be more do you know that too? :D

[AllentownJake]

11. The spin

He tried to keep his wife out of jail so she could get help. What loving husband wouldn't do what John did. John comes out as caring loving husband Liberals come off as evil and trying to tear down Cindy McCain. More women vote for McCain because he's the "protecter"

Your thinking like a democrat not like an average voter.

[Seeking Serenity]

24. Moreover, it doesn't come across as like he was trying to protect himself, a la Nixon,

or stood to gain financially, but was tring to protect his wife. That's a story that non-partisans can accept.

While I don't like it any more than anyone else here, those are the realpolitik facts.

[onenote]

33. agreed

[Barack_America]

45. The counter-spin...

Shouldn't we all be so lucky to have the money and influence to keep our relatives out of prison when they've committed a crime? Would you be able to afford to get your family member the treatment Cindy McCain got even if you could prevent prison time? Do you have health insurance that would cover this treatment without co-pays and deductibles that could force your family into bankruptcy?

Probably not. This is just another example of how John McCain doesn't understand the challenges that average Americans face.


(how did I do?)

[AllentownJake]

52. Doesn't matter

any man if he could prevent his wife going to jail would do so. Most women want that type of man.
Its evolutionary literally embedded in our genes so you can't fight it with logic.

I got an airline to apologize to an ex once after a bad flight...I was a hero for a week to her and all her friends. I can't imagine what saving from jail points equal.

[Barack_America]

90. You didn't commit a crime.

McCain committed a crime by covering up another.

It's a little bit different. (Though what you did was very nice)

I guess we'll see what people think of this soon enough.

[AllentownJake]

99. "Protecting his wife"

"protecting the mother of his children"

Rinse wash and repeat.

It will be a disaster for us and will be matched with Palin being investigated. John McCain will come out a hero and we will be trolls wanting to throw women with problems that hurt nobody in jail.

I don't believe any of this but that will end up being the perception.

[Barack_America]

101. Denying his wife medical treatment.

I posted this in your thread on the subject.

[AllentownJake]

102. Won't even break the news cycle

unfortunately.

Wish I was wrong but for example Rush Limbaugh just signed a 100 million dollar contract. We all know about his drug problems. Prescription drug abuse is seen as a no victim crime of the middle class to rich. If it was an entirely illegal substance it would be a different matter.

[liberalpress]

138. Here's the talker spin on this

Make sure you ote for McCain now, caller, because with his plan to lower your taxes, you'll have the chance to keep more of your money, afford that helth care, and be abvle to pay for the legal help you need if you ever have to protect your wife the way that great hero John McCain did. Wresting your money out of the hands of the Democrats is essential. All they want to do is steal from you the hardworking American and give all your money away -- redistribute your wealth-- to people who refuse to work and choose to sit at home and live off your dime.

Your move.

[treestar]

75. True, it's so frustrating. Why do they always get to spin it their way?

Because we know that if it were Obama or Biden, this story would have legs anyway in spite of all those factors.

The Right Wing Media just sucks.

[lonestarnot]

170. And you didn't read the part about how McSame the loving husband pulled McDruggie

from a licensed hospital and drug her home after being taken there for an overdose.(no pun intended) Real loving husband that does that. :eyes:

[MercutioATC]

14. Marion Barry practically snorted coke off of a hooker's ass and they re-elected him.

If this had happened 6 months ago, it'd be weak. As a 14-year-old story, it's absolutely worthless.

[Virginia Dare]

97. I wonder if McShame will say "the bitch set me up"?...n/t

[elkston]

129. LOL (eom)

[DeadEyeDyck]

185. I feel really stupid

I smeared up my monitor trying to pluck that bug off my screen!!

Cute

[Ilsa]

15. "This election is about character." according to McSame's campaign.

McCain has taken everything that might have once been decent about himself and sold it for power.

And he doesn't understand a fucking thing about Iraq, just how to sell his brand of jingoism.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3483074&mesg_id=3483074
No Victory In Iraq Says Petraeus LBN-- BBC News.

[Boz]

17. Golinski has said the same story for 15 years and by the way he covered it up for 3 years until he

Get paid the 250,000 he wanted.

"Golinski is now speaking out how McCain directly abused his office in order to cover-up the crime. This is a crime in and of itself and was not part of the original story reported back in 1994."

It was reported back then and in fact there was a federal inquiry and a wrongful termination suit in front of a judge and everything and both were dismissed in 1995 with no indictment and a finding of no wrongful termination of the guy that is the source.

Hanging your hat on wishful thinking on this case is not good. We couldn't even make the case for known High Crimes and Misdemeanors By our president and vice stick in the public and media and they had multisourced proof and YEARS.

We have 55 days, why waste energy and time on this hen there is so much more relevant and current stuff that goes no where.

[treestar]

31. Said like a true Democrat

Demanding evidence and all.

The right never does that, they push it anyway. The low info voters get the bad smell of it without demanding proof. This is how they get lies about Obama to have effect.

That is their cynicism on the right, but apparently, it helps them win. Maybe we have to be a little cynical. We don't believe it ourselves, but push it for its effect. That's what the right shamelessly does.

[berni_mccoy]

40. What evidence did Freepers have when they pushed Ayers or Wright? NONE.

And the evidence we have on this story is far beyond any freeper tale.

You are on the wrong side my friend.

[treestar]

66. But exactly, I was responding to the idea that the other poster thought

there wasn't enough evidence and therefore thought it shouldn't be pushed. The difference between you and that poster is that you think there is evidence.

The right wing knew they had nothing with Wright and Ayres but pushed it anyway. So the idea is push this whether or not you believe the evidence is enough, as the RWers do. What gets them to win is their persistence.

[Boz]

72. Then what makes someone different then "them" I happen to think we don't need to lie to get Obama

elected and in my opinion anyone that would lie to get him elected is no better than they are.

[demwing]

149. So, your suggestion is to push a meme

that we don't believe ourselves, not just to impugn McCain, but to falsely impugn?

Is that REALLY what you're asking?

[fascisthunter]

161. that's up to you, the individual, because I believe it.... can you refute it?

[demwing]

163. Whether I can refute, or even want to, is not the point

Treestar said "Maybe we have to be a little cynical. We don't believe it ourselves, but push it for its effect. That's what the right shamelessly does."

And therefore my question - Are you asking for the Dems to push out information they don't believe, just to smear the opponent?

I'm not even judging. I'm just clarifying.

[fascisthunter]

164. But You Said, You(leave the "We" out) Didn't Believe It.... so why not?

Do you have information at your disposal to refute the claims in this story? I'd like to see how you came to disbelieve this story.....

[berni_mccoy]

42. Actually, Golinski never accused McCain of Obstruction until now.

He stated he was afraid to before.

[understandinglife]

54. Correct.

[Boz]

55. Thast what he said to thesse guys but this isnt the first time he has been interviewed

or this has been reported.

[uppityperson]

82. Gosinski.

[druidity33]

110. it's called a settlement

And i'd be looking for one too. Just wait until you're betrayed by your good friend and employer. Used and then fired and blamed for the corruption by said employer. Not to mention blacklisted so you can no longer get a decent job in your field again.

All because you were really worried about the employer you admired, who had a serious drug problem and was breaking laws and hurting other people in order to support it.

You tell your story once 15 years ago and are ridiculed. You are taken to court for trying to get recompense for said job and legal fees mount... all while jobless, discredited by media and machine, etc. You lose your case against a sitting Senator's wife who is never prosecuted for the crimes she admitted committing. Think you'll get a fair trial? I'd not assume that.


Then you get cancer.



I don't understand how you can have no empathy for this fellow. Have you actually read the journal entries? Cindy used him CRUELLY and he gave her chance after chance to make things right...

I think you're being unfair.

:shrug:

And BTW, his name is Gosinski.

[lonestarnot]

173. The answer to that is no! Did not read!

[lonestarnot]

174. The answer to that is no! Did not read!

[Name removed]

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[Boz]

19. Yeah better get them figting mad at each other and get them back on teh wild goose chase

thats almost all of your 80 some post have been last night.

[President_Obama]

29. attacking me doesn't change what you are doing.

and you will have absolutely zero effect on whether this story gets covered.

you're just not that powerful, boz hog.

[onenote]

46. and I'm willing to bet that this story doesn't have the "effect" you think it will

Notwithstanding what you, or the OP might think, this will be responded to as the warmed over rehashing of a story by a "relatively unknown, disgruntled employee".

The problem, I think, is not that the repubs throw mud, but that dems don't know how to respond when it happens and, as a result, don't recapture the message. Obama showed that he's better at it than we've seen in the past by the way he responded to the "lipstick on a pig" claim -- he pushed back, fast and hard and pretty effectively. He gave no ground.

The repubs are masters of this.If this story gets pushed, they will push back hard, denying it, attacking the attacker, etc. and they will generally be effective because, ultimately, this is a he said/she said story.

Heck, even if the story had been that McCain was on alzheimer meds, which so many assumed it would be, I didn't think that McCain would go down without a fight. THis story won't even raise a bruise.

[fascisthunter]

165. thank you and welcome to DU

[jberryhill]

36. Signed up just to do that, too

Well golly Sarge, we better take this one seriesly on this hugh story.

[jberryhill]

35. Welcome to DU

From one of the arrogant pricks.

The "courageous addiction recovery" theme overpowers the details of who-shot-who 15 years ago as told by a single source.

So, you signed up a few days ago to call everyone who disagrees with you an "arrogant prick".

That's quite the way of saying hello.

[MercutioATC]

37. Most here disagree. This is NOT a story...certainly not one of a scope that was promised.

I'm not throwing any stones because I've seen enough baseless hype to not take this seriously from the beginning...but I do think it says something about the OPs credibility.

[lonestarnot]

175. Well the story that has thus far stimulated this discussion came from Raw Story.

The one cryptically referenced was the one from WaPo, which has not yet been released. So :shrug:

[AllentownJake]

41. Yes it will help McCain

because he comes off as a loving husband and we come off as pricks who want to put his wife in jail after all the work she has done for charity. That will become the narrative. like it or not.

[MercutioATC]

44. dupe

dupe

[Codeine]

60. This is not a real story.

It will have zero effect.

[anigbrowl]

94. Apologize for what? It's a damp squib

and even if it was the huge story you want to believe it is, running around for 3 days going 'I've got a secret' is the behavior of a 12 year old. Nobody is ever going to trust her with a secret about anything again after seeing that self-indulgent BS.

[jimshoes]

156. I suspect there are many here who's

primary reason for being here is to do damage control for McSame by injecting contrary ideas and disrupting potentially damaging fact finding endeavors. Some have been tagged as concern trolls and other such names and they are best ignored if possibe.

[treestar]

25. I agree. The one thing the right is is relentless and energetic

On the left we seem to demand instant gratification more.

The whole idea is to get the attention and that takes a little work. We make fun of those freepers in their mother's basements, but they are doing something; this kind of thing. Realizing it has potential and pushing it.

[WeDidIt]

26. Why the Gosinski story is not big

Gosinski was a fired employee. Two words sum up the response that buries the story:

Disgruntled Ex-employee

It's a non-starter simply because fo that.

[Orsino]

39. And no proof.

I'd tend to give weight to a journal actually dating to the period in question, but it's just one allegedly-eyewitness tale. It's not huge yet, if it ever will be.

[lonestarnot]

168. Oh an the admission from McDrugaddict is not proof, and the forged prescriptions, not proof, no jail

time, not proof. Michelle Obama would have done hard time. Circumstantial evidence quite often convicts felons of murder, or is that not a fact either?

[Orsino]

200. Please get back to us when McCain admits to any of the new charges.

And until then, we shouldn't mistake evidence--or testimony--for proof.

But there's more evidence coming, or so we were led to believe.

[Growler]

117. agreed

[Barack_America]

32. I agree. If the WaPo finally runs it, I'd imagine they'd only do so with a second source.

And that is where this thing blows up.

[Blackhatjack]

34. Here are some significant facts that may make this story grow in the days to come...

The Drug Enforcement Administration 'documented' the allegations of drug abuse and criminal conduct BEFORE McCain and his people constructed an 'extortion attempt' scenario.

Why is this important? It means that the DEA knew in advance there was no basis for an extortion allegation against Gosinki, and they observed all the people and their actions pushing such a scenario. It is similar to listening to people construct a series of lies to support a fake alibi when you already have proof that they committed the crime. You just let them talk, give them a shovel and watch them dig themselves deeper into a hole.

It is also significant because it allows you to take note of the 'connections' between the parties putting forth the extortion scenario and follow the leads to those who initiated it.

In this case, the documentation by the DEA in all likelihood has been preserved with analysis of the various parties and their actions. So where did all of this investigatory material disappear to? Good question.

We can certainly identify those who were working at DEA who Gosinki spoke with, and begin to follow the trail back from there.

It sounds like McCain may have committed several crimes as well as engaged in misusing his office and power to derail and cover up a criminal investigation.

That is significant since if the truth had been known at the time it likely would have cost McCain his office.

[Lex]

43. A release of documents

would be too much to hope for probably.

[berni_mccoy]

48. Thank you for the EXCELLENT followup.

[understandinglife]

57. Excellent insights ...

Thank you.

[OneGrassRoot]

73. These new elements...

combined with Palin's own obstruction issues currently being investigated, plus the fact that younger voters, as well as others who just weren't paying attention back then, may give the media a story to sink their collective teeth into.

It all ties together for them, IF they were going to be investigative journalists that is; even if not, there are the salacious elements as well.

McCain's obstruction + Palin's obstruction + this being new info for younger/newer viewers to recap much of what most of us already know concerning McCain, could give the media a reason to move forward.

[crickets]

103. Thank you, Blackhatjack. -nt

[Fire1]

108. Sounds familiar!

Well, well, well. The former mayor of Detroit and Senator McCain have ALOT in common!!:P

[Buttercup McToots]

143. BlackHatJack!! BlackHatJack!!

Hoots!!
How are ye being, hen?
I agree with you...plus, I think
there is more that might possibly
surprize us...
:beer:

[lonestarnot]

176. Aren't legal records destroyed after 5 years in AZ?

[DeltaLitProf]

190. DEA is Federal

But I am dubious about the existence of these documents. Surely McCain would have bribed someone within DEA to destroy those documents.

[Cha]

47. Rec'd. You know it's bigger than

lipstick on a pig.

[nc4bo]

49. Besides, we have a entire league of young voters who've NO clue what "The Real Mccain" is all about

:kick:'ing it for the younger ones especially!

[anigbrowl]

140. a) Young voters already favor Obama b) nobody cares about what happened when they were aged 2.

If they're hard core for McCain-Palin, they're not going to believe it anyway.

[axollot]

193. Just asking - since when did Dems start selectively choosing

who gets investigated, because of, or especially, because it's an election year, when there are tons of proof as I've read it previously to dispute any "he said she said" on the drug violation, personal conduct in Mclamer's office yes, he said, she said, but a customs bust, it has to be witnessed by and reported by at least a few people if not organizations, right?
AND they are on the, for lack of a better term, "The Opposing Team"?

Forgive me as I'm not replying to you directly, but more to the people in this thread that are so divided, who are in the 'apathetic' camp - on this issue (ya know those of us who a year ago we're demanding King George's head? Us Dems..all of us, trolls excluded..) to the "would like to see a proper investigation done because the DEA has a lot to answer for when it comes to the poor and disenfranchised especially vs rich and privileged" camp.... Cause it happens every day to them doesn't it the poor - MSM calls them junkies etc. Hell, Limpballs broke tons of laws, besides DR shopping he had a 'dealer' too, who came forward! - they didn't to shit to him, I know....I live in the state, I see an extra dr for SSDI application that they don't pay for the special 'test' - and get investigated myself - I'm poor.

Not suggesting we are the caped crusader type all the way thru and through the Democrats, but, I must admit dealing with the last 8 years (6 of them here on DU - I just don't post a lot) of *'s administration, certainly had made us feel like the good guys, the righter of wrongs.....

Just asking.

Cheers
Sandy

[uppityperson]

50. Thank you. Here is another article, explaining more

http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=8147

Did McCain Tamper with the Drug Enforcement Agency to Protect His Career?

There are lots of unanswered questions, but the basic contours of the story are clear. John McCain used his position as a Senator to help his wife abuse illegal drugs and avoid being searched by customs, and somehow his wife managed to avoid any charges by the DEA or the state (which has mandatory minimums in cases like this) on drug charges despite ample evidence. Did the DEA or the state not file charges against her because of political pressure? Did they keep this on the Federal level to avoid mandatory minimums for Cindy McCain because of political pressure from McCain? Did John McCain and/or his Senate staff tamper with a criminal investigation of his wife and her conspiracy to fraudulently obtain illegal drugs?

Whether illegal or not, and an investigation by Congress should happen, this is clearly a massive and overreaching case of both corruption on a personal sordid level and an abuse of power. And you might be seeing Gosinski on mainstream media soon.

We need an investigation into what happened here. What did McCain know about the investigation of his wife and did he use his power as a Senator to help her abuse drugs or avoid prosecution? When he was one of a hundred Senators, it was of minor importance. And now? Well it would be nice to know if the next President is engaged in behavior more characteristic of an influence peddling mob boss than an upright politician.

[Boz]

58. Its an echo chamber

[berni_mccoy]

61. You've made your opinion clear. Now stop spamming this thread.

[Boz]

67. Sorry to disappoint I am responding to comments and will continue to do so.

Feel free to avail your self of the ignore button.

[uppityperson]

63. It sure is. Nice to get other takes on it also. Makes it more understandable

[Boz]

68. I meant its the same exact story source and content with someone elses opinion tacked on and offered

NEW information. Hope that makes it clearer.

[uppityperson]

81. OopsWill go edit. It's not "new info" but another take to help clarify importance.

No, not new, but another person writing about why they think it is important. I am sorry if you feel that someone else expressing their take on it is wrong, I don't.

[Boz]

85. Nice edits see how easy it is to change "history"

A few edits here a change there and it looks like I was responding to a whole new and different point.

And this is exactly what this story is and how it was done, thank you for demonstrating.

[uppityperson]

89. OK, I'll put it back. Pot kettle. In reply to your echo comment.

You are welcome and my apologies for taking your comment as a positive one before. I am sorry for misunderstanding you were bashing me and replying changing my snark to a nice comment.

[Boz]

96. Its not about your or my feelings or some game on a message board

My whole point and reason has been to get people to stop reading and seeing whatthey want it to mean and see what othes outside of DU will see.

Dont take the statement of facts so personal, thats why I made a response to yours instead of an edit to my post, hoping you could see for yourself the slippery sand of Internet info.

And that thats what many are planting their hope on chasing this story and others, on some hoped for scandal to cause McCains downfall so we dont have to compete with him, instead of placing their hopes on Obama and working at WINNING against McCain in the real world.

[uppityperson]

132. I can multi-task. eom

[axollot]

195. I do it.....n/t

[axollot]

194. hmmm - good point. n/t

[Waiting For Everyman]

53. Agree. It's smoke that matters, not an open-and-shut legal case.

It's ammo. Use it. Throw everything, including the kitchen sink.

Anyway, it's the elitist angle of this that I've never been ok with all these years... Other people who did the same thing DID TIME. How is this fair? Those people had their lives wrecked and probably have been set back by it to this day. If Cindy didn't have to go through it, or shouldn't have to, then the law should be changed and nobody should have to.

I think it should be a treatment issue, not a criminal one. And I say that as a former manager of a drug treatment clinic. Did you know that insurance companies won't even pay for drug treatment programs?

This has issue relevance, and also goes to abuse of office - a perfect match to Porky's ethics charges. ROLL WITH IT.

We should stay on it, talk it up. I am. I'm signed up with WaPo, and will continue to "recommend" on the comments and boost on YouTube. These are things we can do. The power of numbers, ya know, it's something we have. Use it all.

Frankly, I'm tired of watching good ammo go to waste. THEY intend to set Palin up as being persecuted by us, when Obama's the one who's been taking their lies for so long. We need to turn it around, and get even. Ignore their talk about persecution - that's only intended to keep us from throwing what we've got to prove them wrong. Don't fall for that. Throw it all!!! Show 'em what persecution from us looks like so they'll know the difference.

[lonestarnot]

56. There's an army alright and 1/2 of them are here! LOL

K & R again!

[berni_mccoy]

70. No doubt. I've got your back.

:patriot:

[Barack_America]

93. .

Have you heard anything from your sources about what's up with WaPo?

Did they decide to abandon the story and leave it to the blogs?

[goodgd_yall]

59. Agreed---it's a more important story with what is at stake

And with new revelations, there's an excuse for the MSM to report it.

[RamboLiberal]

Sorry but this story will go nowhere

And for someone who argued that it took a month for the DSM - and where did that go? B/C are still in office. No impeachments.

[berni_mccoy]

74. B/C are still in office, but if we hadn't pushed DSM, how popular would they still be?

And how many Democrats would have won in 2006? in 2008?

America hates Bush and it's because we uncovered the truth.

Regardless of the fact that they are not impeached, the truth must still be presented for all to see.

[JBoris]

64. The real problem with this story: no independent verification.

This is shaky at best. A fired ex-employee with his story, and McSame with his. Unless he has documentation or another source to verify the story, the MSM won't pick it up.

[Nine]

65. The person who hyped this practically guaranteed that it won't get traction here

All her hype made the discussion about her and not about the story. Plus, there was such a buildup, that's why people are yawning about it now, even though it's not an insignificant story. I hope it does get traction in the MSM. We'll see.

[notadmblnd]

69. I thought only blow jobs were impeachable offenses?

perhaps I've just grown too cynical? And I hope I'm wrong, but if the bush admin can commit all the crimes they have and get away with it, I find it hard to believe that MSM will pick this up and make a big deal of it. You're absolutely right. It should be big, but congress nor MSM will do anything other than say it's old news. I hope I'm wrong, and I promise I will grovel at LSN's feet if I am.

[drm604]

71. Gosinski not Golinski

But yes, this may be big.

[berni_mccoy]

76. Thank you, and corrected.

[drm604]

80. You're welcome.

We all make mistakes. :hi:

[TwilightGardener]

77. Palin is under investigation for abusing her office, and she got invited to join

the GOP ticket, out of all the others they could have gone with. No one cares what Republicans do, ethics-wise, because no one expects ethics from them anyway. Voters only care about the War Hero and his Princess Bride's stories.

[Hubert Flottz]

78. I have to say Berni

I agree with you. We don't need another crook and liar in the Oval Office.

[Duer 157099]

83. In a rational world this would be a big story

I'm fairly certain that the response to this will be:

"...mistakes were made..."

"...that was then, this is now..."

Their base is very well acquainted with straying off the path, repenting and then seeking forgiveness.

If anything, they'll relate to it in that way.

However, I could see it getting the appropriate attention if the story were told as a (as suggested above somewhere) "what would have happened to YOU, an average citizen, if YOU had done this" -- then they *might* relate to it more. But unfortunately, the low-ed R base (TM) has a pattern of accepting this differential standard, it's practically a party platform for them ("we'll get rich while screwing all of you! vote for us! -- and they do)

Something fundamental has to change in how "those people" (the low-ed R base) think before we can actually use facts and logic to influence them in any way.

Unfortunately.

[speedoo]

87. This story won't change anything for "the low-ed R base".

But it could change things a LOT for independents and moderate repubs.

And that's where this election will be won or lost.

[WhiteTara]

86. kick this far and wide

:kick:

[Ichingcarpenter]

88. kick nominate n/t

[anigbrowl]

91. And why you are dead wrong (no offence)

1. one guy's word =/= proof, just an allegation
2. any investigation will take place at snail's pace
3. Most people would cover up for their spouse if they could
4. people don't get that excited about prescription drug abuse anyhow
5. because a lot of other people like to get high even if they don't admit it
6. as you should know from the general lack of interest in Cindy's drug past
7. like people didn't figure he pulled a few strings for her anyway
8. and no matter how you slice it, a 14 year old story is only news if
9. someone dies, some pays big money, or someone else went to jail

Yeah, he's corrupt and all that. But this story is not likely to be a major game changer, and you are mistaking your desire to beat McCain for actual political reality.

[lonestarnot]

92. Bernie_McCoy!

Smarter than the average bear! Thanks Bernie!

[psychmommy]

95. K & R

let's push the story out there.

[crazylikafox]

98. TALKING POINT: McCain committed impeachable offense.

Do we want to put the country through that again??? drip... drip... drip

[MercutioATC]

106. So did Bush...and we see how damaging THAT'S been to him...

[crazylikafox]

118. I know, zero affect. But.....

McCain is painting himself as such a holy lilly white reformer. I think we just need to keep throwing stuff out there & see what sticks. There's enough shit to muddy him up.

[Waiting For Everyman]

100. Huffington Post has it now, with a link to Raw Story

It's on HuffPo's main Politics page just under the headline story
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/politics/

With a link-through to Raw Story
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Whistleblower_breaks_15year_silence_to_allege_0911.html

[Boz]

105. Unfortunately its an echo of an echo of an echo

[stoge18]

104. Found via Google: What do you all make of this

Been lurking but though you all should see this. Not sure if it's been posted yet. Having a hard time keeping up with everything.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/custom/2008/09/10/CU2008091002650.html

[MadrasT]

116. All the linked documents have been SCRUBBED

nothing there anymore. :wtf: Things that make you go "hmmm".

[stoge18]

157. perhaps not scrubbed, but

not yet posted. Looks like they're preparing to release something.... If you mouse over the URL, the links read "LINK GOES HERE". Why would they "scrub" the content but leave a shell like that behind? Quite honestly, I can't believe they posted anything at all if they weren't ready to roll with the complete story.

Something is clearly up here. I'm definitely staying tuned in.

[crickets]

107. K&R - It will never grow legs if it's ignored.

Regardless of whether this story "blows McCain out of the water," it's one of many that calls people to look more closely at his character. He wants to run a campaign about personality rather than issues - well, here's a window on his personality. It is possible to pound the issues home and disseminate and discuss this story as well.

[progressivebydesign]

109. Hmm. I'm rethinking my aversion to this story. It's not about Cindy, but about John, it appears.

What an awful family portrait he paints of them -- and much of it is things that I have sensed all along. Cindy McCain has the expression of a woman that lives with a powerful anger-addict, who feels trapped.

John is exhibiting more of the do-anything to maintain political power behavior.

I'd like to see more evidence about the cover-up and abuse of power. Now I understand the story better... it's not about Cindy, but more about McCain.

[StopTheNeoCons]

111. You say "the story is big",... if it is...

it will take on a life of it's own. On the other hand, if it's really a little story, and we try to make it big, artificially, then we get smeared.

[MilesColtrane]

112. Physical evidence or a second witness make it a story.

Otherwise, anybody can say anything about anyone and "raise questions".

I tend to believe that hyping allegations against candidates dilutes the very real misdeeds that are out there.

[berni_mccoy]

119. Second Witness = DEA

[blue2helix]

121. R U Hinting or Guessing? n.t.

[MilesColtrane]

123. All the DEA did was take Gosinski's testimony.

Just because you tell me that you saw Elvis that doesn't mean that I saw him too.

[lonestarnot]

125. And the investigation was never made public now was it :)

Are your teeth rattling yet? Or is that gum bumping I hear?

[MilesColtrane]

133. Not cold, or afraid, so I don't know what you're hearing.

:hi:

[lonestarnot]

134. Keep it kicked and thanks!

:hi:

[onenote]

114. why the gosinski story isn't big -- its old, really old

Article from 1994 complete with entries from Gosinski's journals. Repeated in February of this year. Not a ripple from it either time.

http://www.taxidermy.net/forum/index.php?topic=66574.0

[Vinca]

115. As I said in a previous post, if this changes the game I'll eat my coffee cup.

Not only is it old, we've got a media that's allowed the POTUS and most of his associates to break the law nonstop for 8 years. So McCain maybe broke the law 14 years ago. That's what a guy named Gosinski says. If Paris Hilton was somehow involved, the MSM might pick it up. Otherwise, this is grasping at straws. I'm the first to push a credible story around to media outlets, but this one has something stinky about it. I hope I'm proven wrong.

[McCamy Taylor]

120. This will be spun "McCain was trying to protect his wife." No good for election purposes.

When you find someone with proof he beat one of his wives, then you have something.

[anitar1]

122. Cindy is McCains cash cow. May sound nasty

but I think it is the truth. she has tons of money--did he ever have great wealth ? edit spelling

[lonestarnot]

127. And your point?

[dccrossman]

124. K & R

Totally agree, there are enough true stories out there to counter every lie about Obama. That's one of the disadvantages of having such a long record, Mr McCain. If you weren't consistent, and you weren't, it's not that hard to find out.

[amborin]

126. DISAGREE this story is OLD and it hurts Dems to Hammer it n/t

[lonestarnot]

130. And if the DEA investigation is made public and demonstates undue influence from McSame?

What then?

[anigbrowl]

141. If the DEA info were available media would lead with that, not Gosinski.

That would be a big deal if there were documentary proof of his interference, but I'm not holding my breath.

[cags]

146. Exactly!!! If there were a paper trail... the media would put that out first. Hearsay won't work

[kestrel91316]

135. Yes, it's a big story that shows how corrupt and unfit McCain is for office.

But since it is 14+ years old, the MSM won't pay any attention at all. You know how it is.......they want FRESH meat (of course, unless it's the Clintons and Whitewater, then they will beat it to death for years).

Same reason they are ignoring the whole Keating/Lincoln S&L debacle: old news.

[Phx_Dem]

136. I agree. This is a very big deal. n/t

[pleah]

137. K&R

:hi: :kick:

[D23MIURG23]

139. But how can it be big if it has nothing to do with Palin's pregnant daughter?

:sarcasm:

[berni_mccoy]

142. Best counter argument yet.

[Buttercup McToots]

144. Where can you read the journals?

Anyone?
Are they anywhere?

[Alexander]

145. Obstruction of Justice is IMPEACHABLE. Ignore the DUers who whitewash this.

[Princess Turandot]

147. This occurred in 1994, during Bill Clinton's first term..

not the term of a Republican president.

Do you think that the handling of charges against the wife of a United State's Senator from the opposition party would have occurred without running it up the flag pole to at least the Attorney General? I don't. While her actions may not have gotten a lot of national coverage, there's no way that the arrest would not have been known about in the White House. A mid-level bureaucrat would perhaps be susceptible to pressure from a US Senator in a vacuum, but this would not have been handled in one. Do I think it's possible that McCain put pressure on them to treat her as lightly as possible, even 'abusing' his office perhaps? Sure. But I don't think that alone would have done the trick. In the end, more 'direct' evidence about this may only show that people in power, unless they really hate each other's guts, do favors for each other all of the time. That would be a good story too, of course, if the Republicans held the presidency at the time. But they didn't.

(Edited Subject Line)

[Buttercup McToots]

148. mmmm

http://www.concentric.net/~ronsm/cindy_mccain.html

Cindy McCain became involved in the investigation because she could not find receipts showing that she and her husband had reimbursed the Keatings for the cost of flying on a corporate jet to a Keating vacation home in the Bahamas. That became a focus of the hearings.

McCain said she quit taking the drugs ''cold turkey'' in the fall of 1992 after being approached by her parents, multimillionaire liquor distributor Jim Hensley and his wife, Smitty, who asked her about her ''erratic behavior.''

McCain said she briefly relied on painkillers again while in the hospital in January 1993 after a hysterectomy. Since then, she has been drug-free, she said in her statement.

Gosinski alleges in his lawsuit that he was fired in January 1993, after being asked ''on numerous occasions'' to ''engage in acts that were improper.''

The acts are not detailed in the lawsuit, but it says that Gosinski ''was responsible for the maintenance of certain sensitive records and the overall operation and integrity of the organization.''

[Buttercup McToots]

152. This gave me a bad taste in my mouth...

I'm just surfin` around...

http://www.blogher.com/who-john-mccain-hint-not-moderate-case-you-were-wondering

WHO IS JOHN MCCAIN? Hint: Not a Moderate, in Case You Were Wondering
by Gloria Feldt
Jake Tapper, ABC News Senior National Correspondent, in his blog “Political Punch” June 27 post “McCain Gambles with Awkward Joke”
started a bit of a blog-o-flap among some feminists who though the
senator’s remark about wife beating grossly inappropriate and perhaps
insensitive to domestic abuse. Here's the relevant excerpt:


In an interview with the Las Vegas Sun, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., was
asked by columnist Jon Ralston why he didn't choose Gov. Jim Gibbons to
chair his Nevada campaign…
Maybe it's the governor's approval rating
and you are running from him like you are from the president? Asked
Ralston in a question McCain clearly found loaded.
Said McCain, chuckling, "And I stopped beating my wife just a couple of weeks ago."
Some have found the subject of McCain's joke -- wife-beating -- inappropriate.
To be clear, McCain was alluding to the fictitious leading question "When
did you stop beating your wife, senator?" It's a bit of distasteful DC
yuckery so commonly quoted it's hackneyed.
But considering the subject McCain was discussing at the time, to allude to that joke was, well, .....awkward!
Gov. Gibbons last month filed for divorce from his wife Dawn citing incompatiblity...

There are several issues here and I’ll take a moment to sort them out:

1.
McCain's retrograde record on women is bad enough in itself to warrant
a full frontal expose by as many feminist bloggers and MSM journalists
as possible. He has a 100% anti-choice voting record,
not just on abortion but also on family planning funding, access to
emergency contraception, medically accurate sex education, gag rules,
and the gamut. He has said he opposes the Lilly Ledbetter
equal pay act even though he wasn’t there to vote against it and that
he wants to see Roe v Wade overturned which confirms that he’s in the
same league with those who want women to be barefoot and pregnant. He
intends to appoint Supreme Court justices in the mold of John Roberts and Samuel Alito.

2.
The derivation of the "have you stopped beating your wife?" phrase
which is an old saw that is used to illustrate an argument you can't
win, but which I would suggest was an exceedingly poor choice of words
for McCain because even aside from its sexist tinge...

3.
There have been rumors for many years in AZ (where I lived for 18 years
and had the misfortune of trying to work with McCain on behalf of
Planned Parenthood since his first race for Congress in 1982) that he
abused Cindy, verbally and physically. From my personal experience with
the man and his explosive, often out of control temper, I suspect there
is fire behind the smoke; however, I doubt we will ever know. Because
he was Barry Goldwater's successor, he has always been protected by the
Republican establishment in AZ, including the press.

4. In a recent related log on the fire, Clayton "relax and enjoy it" Williams
was slated to give a fundraiser for McCain recently. That comment, in
which Williams was advising what to do in case of rape or bad weather,
propelled Ann Richards to her unlikely victory over Williams for Texas
governor in 1990. McCain cancelled the event when the flap was
highlighted by the media, but only then. Clearly, he had no compunction
about Claytie’s support until it became a political liability. And
indeed, he kept the money that had been raised. The Williams-Richards
episode is recent enough and legendary enough that there's no way
McCain and his staff could not have known about it.

5.
Journalists should be careful about repeating allegations, and to guard
against connecting dots that do not relate to one another. Still, you
know that McCain and the Republicans will be throwing much worse at
Obama without one moments' concern about whether they are being
accurate or not, and that in a political campaign it is in fact the
little things like flippant use of sexist comments that define the
candidates' character.

There's plenty to define McCain's
character as well as his voting record as anti-woman, anti-choice,
anti-civil rights expansions in general, let alone a water carrier for
the Bush administration’s retrograde policies on the war without
gambling too much on issues that might be subject to challenge though.
He’s clearly not the moderate or maverick most of the press believes he
is, and we need to out that often enough that it seeps into public
awareness. More research would be very helpful, but no question about
it, John McCain is harmful to women’s health, rights, and equality.

Cross posted at WIMNsvoices and www.gloriafeldt.com/Heartfeldt-politics-blog

[RobertSeattle]

153. Pretty funny - the blank WAPO Article has 70 comments now

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2008/09/10/VI2008091002883_Comments.html

[krkaufman]

154. I'll hope that it has an effect, but absent anything beyond this one man's words ...

... it isn't going to make it as a news story. From what I can tell, it's just allegations from a guy who may have held a grudge against the McCains (at least that's how it will be discounted). Even the RawStory headline emphasizes "alleges."

[Buttercup McToots]

155. Do you think JM is a ****beater?

just asking...something funny there...

Perhaps that's why Gosinski felt so sorry
for her...

[mcollier]

158. Republicans dont care

Independents and those undecided may find interest but I believe the focus should be on who is going to get the economy back on track. Who will improve our standing and relationships in the world... Who will lead us on the road to energy independance...

Barack Obama...

[ladywnch]

159. I don't discount the importance of 'abuse of power' I discount the American

populace being interested.....unless she is STILL USING DRUGS

that having been said, I have a question:

Remember when Cindy went to Georgia/Ossetia for a hands on, in person fact finding mission? Does anyone remember hearing ANYTHING about that trip? She was gone (out of sight)for a good week as I recall. maybe enough time for a detox? She was gone for at least a week and there was NO coverage/report/press release about her trip or findings. Someone is going to have to help me out with the time line here....wasn't this trip after her 'wrist injury'? Was McCain covering for her AGAIN....enabling her through the primaries and then drying her out for the general? If any of this is true, THEN the events of 15 years ago will be more relevant as a 'pattern of behavior'.

IMHO

[fascisthunter]

162. woooo-doggy.... you sure got people's attention

very interesting thread...

This story proves McCain is a criminal and untrustworthy as a President.

[Beregond2]

166. I just don't see this story doing us much good.

McCain voters will dismiss it as left-wing propoganda, as they do everything that they don't like. So why waste time on it? McCain has been a criminal for months due to his campaign financing, and where has that gotten us? Short of McCain raping his mother in Times Square while juggling babies, I don't think there will be much we can use along those lines. Better to focus on shoring-up Obama's support and making sure people are registered and actually vote. And doing everything we can to fight election fraud.

[Mabus]

167. Thank you and lonestarnot

:thumbsup: and :kick:

[trthnd4jstc]

169. McCain/Palin-abuse of power-The Ticket for Tyranny! n/t

[bleever]

172. What Gosinski

must comeoutski.

K&R.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

180. K&R - in hopes MSM will do their job.... n/t

[Dora]

182. K&R

[garybeck]

183. Please, your perception of how stories get into the media is a little OFF.

Stories don't get into the media because freepers send lots of emails. And they don't not get into the media because DUers are lazy.

The media is BIAS. Don't you know that? If every person in DU wrote a hand written letter to every major news agency it would likely not have an effect at all.

I have personally witnessed DUers taking major action on some things, and added with many people outside DU and noting still happens in the media.

The media is in bed with the republicans. that's a fact. if you don't understand that, you've got something to learn. they are looking for stupid stories to distract us, like the lipstick thing, when they know there is a ton of dirt to dig up on McCain and they could care less. For God's sake... there are people in the media who read the Drudge Report every day, just looking for something to put into their "news." They don't have to blast the media with thousands of emails.

I'm not saying we shouldn't take action, and try to raise awareness.

I'm saying you shouldn't blame DU for it not being mentioned in the media.

[NBachers]

188. So what's Cindybot's dosage now?

What if someone could submit a hair sample for testing. What would it reveal?

[Gorobei]

189. I'll buy it. n/t

[tigervalentine]

191. So does anyone know who CARI MCCAIN is?

Can't Google her up.

From the article linked:

"Concerns that Cindy McCain is unnecessarily drugging her children appear again in a July 31 entry -- 'Cari (Cindy's adopted daughter) told the three that she fears Cindy gives the kids prescription drugs they do not need,' Gosinski wrote."

[DallasNE]

192. This Makes For Interesting Reading

But it represents taking the eye off the ball by diving into the area of character assassination. Tabloid journalism is not my cup of tea. We need to keep focused on the struggles ordinary Americans face and that mean jobs, universal health care, etc. Today Joe Biden spoke about looking into the recent deal signed with India for expansion of their nuclear capacity. Nuclear proliferation is a serious issue that needs serious discussion. Not so with Cindy McCain's drug habits. Let's not derail the Obama campaign with this kind of gutter politics.

[Kitty Herder]

196. K&R

:kick:

[Joanne98]

197. KICK

[thoughtcrime1984]

198. K&R. I never heard that before, I'm sure MANY others haven't either.

McCain the reformer? This is another big piece of the puzzle that shits all over that notion!

[girl gone mad]

199. In the era of baby mama drama and muslimgate, this won't get traction.

The media can cover it 24/7, but people will just yawn.

"News" has devolved to a constant din of confrontation, irritainment and cheerleading. People tune in to feel, not to think. Unless this story can be given a better hook, it will be ignored.

I hope I'm wrong, but past experience tells me otherwise.

[SheilaT]

201. BREAKING NEWS!!!

In 1994 Cindy McCain. . . . whoa, let me look at my calender. . . . mine says 2008. Let's see, from 1994 to 2008, that's um borrow from the next column, wow! 14 years ago.

Last week I fell into casual conversation with a lady at a yarn shop here in Santa Fe. She told me about someone she knew (maybe it was her daughter) who lives in Phoenix and goes to school with the McCain kids. And then she brought up the drug thing from the 90's. This is not only old news but is very widely known.

Plus, the claims on the part of Lonestarnot earlier this week when she was all but spamming this board with posts about this really big story getting ready to break, did seem to confirm that it involved McCain himself, and something about Alzheimer's drugs. Not Cindy. Not her well-known prescription drug use and abuse a long time ago.

And quite frankly, someone waiting 15 friggin' years to come forward does not impress me as a whistle blower. The more time and band width we spend on this the less that is spent on things that actually matter, such as bringing front and center just how phenomenally unqualified Ms. Mooseburger is.

[LynneSin]

202. Here's the problem with the story - what if we create a Betty Ford out of this

Say what you will about Gerald Ford but look what Betty Ford was able to do with her addiction to prescription pills. Cindy McCain could pull something out that playbook and suddenly we have this women able to connect to people on all levels.

Yes, there was corruption involved but come on this is a country where there are actual people who think Sarah Palin is qualified to be VP.

[George II]

203. Six paragraphs and you don't even mention what "the story" or "the crime" is!

Might your post been more effective if you actually got around to telling us what you're talking about?

Thanks!

[George II]

204. Six paragraphs and you don't even mention what "the story" or "the crime" ARE!

Might your post been more effective if you actually got around to telling us what you're talking about?

Thanks!

[berni_mccoy]

205. The Crime is Obstruction of Justice, as I called out.

I expect DUers to go read before they make their judgments. That's what my post was really about. Too many DUers have discounted the story without going and reading the facts.

[lonestarnot]

207. How bout that free pass to fly w/o question w narcotics intended for war victims

on a diplomatic passport? DEA involvment too! And 1 week in a country club instead of 20 years in A.S.P. Florence! I'd say we need some more questions answer donchu? !!!

[Venceremos]

208. K&R

[cliffordu]

209. kicked, can't recommend