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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 05:54 PM
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Doctor who reviewed McCain's medical records weighs in
Being a Dermatology Physician Assistant and a cancer survivor, I recently reviewed John McCain's medical records (which were made public earlier this year after he was the Republican nominee) about his melanoma, the type of skin cancer that is very frequently fatal. He has had 4, possibly 5 melanomas. The most serious one was on his left temple, in 2000. It was considered a deep melanoma (2.2 mm-- which is very risky). There was also another melanoma in the same area, which could have likely been a metastasis from the bigger melanoma on the temple, there is no way to know. They had to take out all his lymph nodes on that side of his head and neck, that is why his cheek looks so misshapen. That thickness of melanoma (whether or not it is in the lymph nodes) usually gets about 1 year of interferon (a form of chemotherapy), which would have been standard of care. But, since this happened right at the time of the 2000 election conventions, McCain opted not to have the chemo.

He has had another melanoma appear on his nose in 2002, again, no real way to tell that this was not a metastasis, or a new melanoma. The other 2 melanomas were prior to 2000. Frankly, I'm surprised that he has survived this long. Melanoma is very unpredictable and aggressive. With his history of multiple melanoma episodes, as well as other types of skin cancers and pre-cancers, this means McCain's immune system is poor. Melanoma can metastasize to any part of the body including the brain. It lurks until it starts to cause problems in whatever organ it starts to grow in. The only way to know if it spread is when it invades something and causes that organ to malfunction. There are no blood tests or other screening tests to catch metastasis "early" other than frequent skin checks and that would only find it again on the skin. When melanoma spreads, there is not any good treatments to stop it. So, I think that it is a very real possibility that John McCain will have more melanoma.

I try to inform all of my patients each day of the risks of melanoma and I spend my work days hunting for melanomas at the earlier superficial stage that can be treated. McCain's is in the deeper, more dangerous, category. At least in dermatology, we don't worry too much about the melanoma's less than 1 mm. His was 2.2 mm. It was likely an aggressive one, because it seems that it was not observed at his derm exam, then his family doctor found it during an interim appointment. I am sure that a dermatologist would have seen it and biopsied it given his history. So, it probably grew extremely quickly in several month's time since McCain would have been seen by derm at least every 6 months. This reminds me of one my patients-- she had a melanoma removed on her shoulder with clear margins, her lymph nodes were negative. On her first follow up visit in 3 months she had no visible sign of any recurrence. 1 month later she came in because she had some unusual bumps appearing in the area. She had metastases locally, and when they checked a PET scan, she had melanoma throughout her body. She only lived a few more months.

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http://www.americablog.com/2008/09/another-medical-professional-weighs-in.html
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 05:57 PM
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1. Melanoma is one thing. But I'm interested in the possible Dementia
as I know many others are.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 05:57 PM
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3. Melanoma can spread to the brain.
:scared:
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 06:05 PM
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6. Seriously?!
I had no idea! Whoa! :scared:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 06:07 PM
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7. Yep. It's in the OP. nt
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 06:14 PM
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8. thats what I get for skimming.
:blush:
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 06:33 PM
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13. Dementia? How can you justify implying McCain is demented? What evidence is there?
Edited on Tue Sep-23-08 06:33 PM by Bucky
oh. that.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 06:36 PM
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16. Well....there's that woman. And everytime he opens his mouth, of course....
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 06:43 PM
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17. Evidence? None.... none at all....

Now, get off my lawn!

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 05:57 PM
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2. He sure sounds like a bad risk to me. nt
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voteearlyvoteoften Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 06:03 PM
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4. Melanoma in the membrane
With apologies to Keith Olberman
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11cents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 06:04 PM
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5. "Dermatology Physician Assistant" is not a doctor.
And I'm frankly skeptical that this physician's assistant actually reviewed those medical records. If you recall, a pool of reporters were allowed to "review" 1000+ pages of medical records for a couple of hours. Useless in any case, and would this "dermatology physician assistant" have been included in the pool?

The questions about McCain's health are serious, but I don't believe this person is highly qualified to comment.
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 06:24 PM
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10. I was going to say the same. Except, I believe he/she is qualified to comment as a PA in derm,
Edited on Tue Sep-23-08 06:25 PM by faithfulcitizen
he/she sees derm patients and writes RX's, just as a Nurse Practitioner would. Just because an MD reviews the charts doesn't make him/her unqualified to make these statements. If he/she saw the medical records, we can accept this as a qualified medical opinion.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 06:59 PM
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19. Exactly. Not the way to introduce someone as trustworthy, is it?
PA is not Doctor.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 06:22 PM
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9. You couldn't get a job at Kmart with that history.
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cosmodem Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 06:27 PM
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11. A Physician Assistant is NOT a Doctor--
Your OP is misleading.

And it not professional for this PA to post this. It actually reminds of Frist making a diagnosis with a videotape.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 06:35 PM
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15. 10 posts makes you an expert.
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cosmodem Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 07:08 PM
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22. Just be cautious having worked in the medical field for years. One does
Edited on Tue Sep-23-08 07:09 PM by cosmodem
NOT draw conclusions based on partial records--and that is all this PA has.


edited for spelling
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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 06:50 PM
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18. Are you just attacking the qualifications of the P.A. in the post?
Or are you attacking the accuracy and/or veracity of the conclusions drawn?
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cosmodem Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 07:07 PM
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21. The PA--only had access to the records that were released. Many
were not. all records/lab. results need to be taken into account before ANY conclusions are made.
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poiuytsister Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 08:14 PM
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If the PA saw this much cancer from what little was released
what other diagnoses have not been released. I bet there's a lot more/worse out there.
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 07:10 PM
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23. I agree that this is unprofessional and possibly against PA code of ethics.
It is considered unethical for physicians to make diagnoses and prognoses on a person who is not their patient and whom they have not examined. It is even more unethical to then publicly publish your thoughts on this.

The fact that this is a PA and not a doctor is really not the issue for, IMO. I agree with the Frist analogy. It was wrong when he did it as well.
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 07:22 PM
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24. But it is quite ethical to share general
information about the condition and to talk about the already public records about McCain's cancer.

It would be unethical for someone who treated McCain to blab about it without a release from the patient...
but a medical practitioner commenting on public information isn't breaking any code of ethics.

I assumed the records the writer reviewed was just the gathered information about his melanoma. Although few had access to the actual records they did report on it and there was also older information
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 07:28 PM
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25. However, this exceeds just sharing general information about a condition, IMO.
The writer draws conclusions about why he did not have chemotherapy and then talks about his prognosis and how he shouldn't have survived this long.

I agree absolutely that it would not only be unethical, but legally actionable, for a medical professional treating him to talk about it. I also think what this writer is doing is unethical and potentially very misleading. The public has a right to know about his general health, but that should be provided, with his permission, by someone who has actually examined him.

I would not be surprised if this is a violation of the Physician Assistant Code of Ethics.

:shrug:
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cosmodem Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 08:14 PM
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28. You said it better than I did. Thank you.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 06:30 PM
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12. Doctor Who?



Why was he examined by Doctor Who?
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 06:34 PM
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14. According to the article, his last name is "Assistant"
as in "a Dermatology Physician Assistant"
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DangerousRhythm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 07:46 PM
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26. Haha!
Nice one. :thumbsup:
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 07:04 PM
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20. OT and link. 527s DFA & Bravenew PAC want to run an ad
Asking why won't John Mccain release all of his medical records:

https://democracyforamerica.com/contribution_pages/69

I agree, if there's something in his med records we should know it. Actually we deserve to know it but I don't think I really like this particular ad.

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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 08:08 PM
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27. If the subject line contains a lie.....
Edited on Tue Sep-23-08 08:19 PM by catnhatnh
..."Doctor"??? Words have meanings.

ETA: How does this person not violate patient/doctor confidentiality? Whoever released this is either a liar or subject to the loss of any professional permits or licences they currently hold.

RE-ETA: A physicians assistant read copies of his medical records. So it IS okay for them to comment on their perception of the information contained in the released records. But the original subject line is just flat out wrong AND deceptive.
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poiuytsister Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 08:18 PM
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29. I want to know how McCain is going to blame his melanoma
on his being a POW.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 08:21 PM
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30. I wasn't aware that he didn't undergo full treatment in 2000.
That was a very poor decision to make and leaves me even more concerned about the probability of metastasis for his melanoma.

A very concerning detail.
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