I STILL think yesterday was a set up to make McCain look good. But they didn't count on...

[Brotherjohn]

... not being able to control their own party.

That's the breaks when you're an unpopular candidate with an unpopular president.

[DeepBlueC]

1. yeah but they are helping McCain ditch the debate

and when it all comes together, as it must, you know who will be taking credit. So far he is getting the worst of it, looking like the guy who screwed the deal, but who knows what is going on behind the scenes. You can be sure that whatever the GOP is doing. in the end they will all have the talking points down.

[leftofcool]

2. Oh, The repukes are definitely in control

Watch as the game is played out.

[izquierdista]

8. No, they've lost it

Repubs are looking like two winos fighting over a bottle. Leave them alone and let them get all cut up with the broken glass.

[Barack_America]

3. On the contrary, McCain backed the House Republican revolt. And THAT is why the deal failed. nt

[adamuu]

7. it appears he didn't do any research

and he didn't know what his own position was

[Barack_America]

10. His position was "need drama".

To distract from sinking poll numbers and Palin's stunning unreadiness.

Fortunately, thus far, Obama and the debate commission have called his bluff.

Unfortunately, the global markets have freaked out over the bailout failure.

[adamuu]

22. Indeed. n/t

[Brotherjohn]

9. I haven't seen any evidence he did so. Has he or his campaign said anything to that effect?

All I have read ("fly on the wall" talk from a couple of stories) was that he basically talked for a few seconds and said nothing of substance. I read that he acknowledged some Republicans' concerns, but that's hardly backing the revolt.

[Barack_America]

11. .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7188211

I'll let you draw your own conclusions. Yours may be very different from mine.

[Brotherjohn]

12. Well, according to this account (and others I've read), McCain was pretty much a non-player...

... and STILL has yet to take a stand.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7194830

I can see the possibility that what you propose may have been the original plan. But really, I think there wasn't that much thought put behind Bush & McCain's call for the WH meeting. McCain is just sticking his finger in the wind hoping to latch onto whatever looks best and grab some credit. He would have been willing to strongly endorse the House Republicans' plan, should that have been the most politically advantageous option.

But they way the Dems handled the meeting, it left the Repubs looking bad and McCain in the middle.

[Barack_America]

13. The Politico article is BS and, frankly, a trap.

Though I'm not one to declare "traps".

Here are my thoughts on that.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7188211

[Brotherjohn]

15. If McCain were making any kind of stand and had any cards to play, he wouldn't be going...

... to the debate tonight.

And how can an new article be a trap? McCain didn't write it.

[Barack_America]

17. One of his senior aides was a primary source...

...for the "scoop" of what went down in the Cabinet room.

[Brotherjohn]

21. I'm not saying that account is untrue. I'm just saying any stand he may have taken doesn't appear...

... to have been very strong (nor something he is talking much about today). As such, he is just left kind of floundering and running to Oxford with his tail between his legs.

[Barack_America]

14. delete.

dupe.

[Bonobo]

4. The Pukes are playing checkers still.

They are at a huge disadvantage because they are many voices, but Obama is intelligent enough to call his own shots. This gives him a huge speed-response advantage and a more focused message.

He is kicking their ass and having fun.

[TexasObserver]

5. I agree. Bush and McCain intended to steal the glory for the work Dems did on the bill.

But they didn't count on the GOP House members being in revolt. Those guys blew the whole thing up, and the deal went away.

Democrats must force the GOP to come forward with their proposal, and take testimony in open hearing. Let them put on their case, and let the markets dive while they do so.

[seabeyond]

6. of course it was. all of it has been to make mccain look good, and they have been wrong

all the way. from the beginning he looked bad. in middle he looked bad. and still he looks bad

it sucks to be mccain

[npincus]

16. he sat in the meeting virtually mute... doesn't make him look very commanidng.

[Overseas]

18. They were trying to run the Gingrich Plan but it didn't work.

Link & Clip: http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/gingrich-mccain.html

If McCain were to come out against the bailout plan, Gingrich said that Republicans would rally to his side and it would become possible for the McCain-Palin ticket to style itself as "taking on the Bush-Obama establishment."

"Either McCain is going to go along" with Obama in supporting the plan, said Gingrich, "in which case the establishment will have the fix in . . . or you are going to see McCain decide, much in the way that he did in picking Palin, that, in fact, he is a genuine maverick, that he genuinely defends the taxpayers, and that this is a terrible bill."

"If the latter happens," Gingrich continued, "I think you will see the emergence overnight of a 'McCain Reform Wing of the Republican Party' and you'll see House and Senate members siding with McCain by overwhelming margins and then you'll be in a very different political environment. You'll have 'Bush-Obama ads' on the one side and 'taking on the Bush-Obama establishment' on the other side, and that will be, frankly, one of the more amazing elections."

[hisownpetard]

19. Right. So he rode into DC to help negotiate a bipartisan deal and wound up saying

nothing, alienating everyone, and having his own party refuse to even attend the evening emergency session.

Good work, Lurch! What else can you do for us?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

20. Mccain's isn't on the committee is he?

[LSK]

24. no, he is not

[Tutonic]

23. Do you think Dodd, Reid, Pelosi, Frank, Obama are DC stalwarts

for their naivete? GW and Grampy did not ever stand chance with the Dems. And by the way, the Dems are going to unfold an even bigger surprise planned for the Bobbsey Twins. Stay tuned.

[Heather MC]

25. Of Course it was set up.

:rofl: that blew up in there face
Bush and McCain were playing Cowboys and indians with our economy

The sad thing is, IF McCain thinks he really is meant to be in the White House, then prove it, stop playing games, stop with the bull shit gambles, stop with the stunts, and prove it.

It's clear he has nothing no substance, he doesn't even have leadership because his own party ignors him