Word on the Street is . . .

[iceman66]

At the debate tonight, McCain plans to attack Obama for 'supporting' Bush's 700 billion dollar bailout, while at the same time extolling the virtues of the House Republicans' alternative proposal, which he will claim better protects the interests of homeowners and taxpayers.

The idea is to link Obama with Bush and to shore up McCain's reputation as a "maverick."

He's also hoping to catch Obama off guard by shifting the focus of the debate to the bailout rather than the stated topic of foreign policy, the thinking being that Obama only rehearsed for a debate on foreign policy.

Not that I necessarily expect any of this to work, but that's basically what they are thinking.

[tekisui]

1. Good luck with that!

[gateley]

2. Obama will be ready.

I was WONDERING why McCain decided to cave and go to the debate. Should have known -- they're viewing it as an opportunity to attack Obama, what else?

[Warren Stupidity]

3. OMG! Obama will be so caught off guard!

Who could imagine Grand Master McStunt would pull something like this?

We Are Doomed!

[ingac70]

4. After what McCain pulled on Obama...

day before yesterday, I'm sure Obama knows not to trust McCain to go along as planned and is well prepared.

[RoadRage]

33. Let him try...

Obama merely says, OK John.. i'm a bit confused - last week you were against regulation.. this week you were for regulation.. now you're again against regulation? You think that we should all go along with the wealthy house republicans and vote for a plan that puts LESS regulation in place then before? I'm sorry - your story switches hour to hour - so I just want to have a clear cut idea as to which one your currently supporting before I decide if I agree with you or against you.

My position is this: (States same position with same 5 points he's been talking about for 2 weeks).. now tell me again what part of that you disagree with?

:eyes: Slam. Dunk.

[marions ghost]

62. yeah seems to me

McDuck tipped his hand if that was the strategy....

[MnFats]

5. no longer a "maverick,"

that's a dead horse they're beating

[immoderate]

6. McCain better hope that Obama doesn't read this...

:rofl:

--IMM

[deadparrot]

7. Unfortunately for McCain, Obama's not a fucking idiot. nt

[islandmkl]

8. ...does he have the requisite picture of Obama and jr. hugging up on each other...

oh, wait a minute....right picture, wrong guy...

[iceman66]

9. Don't shoot the messenger!

[gateley]

12. ...

:pals:

[mohc]

10. The House Republican plan

is basically just the "degenerate gambler" plan. The direct cause of the current crisis is the financial instruments, in reality nothing more than bets, that mortgage loans would not default. So now those bets are due and we need some way of covering it. The House Republican proposal is nothing more than doubling down on the bets. And if we followed their advice we would be right back in sometime soon needing to cover the new bad bets, and of course their solution would be to double down again. If that behavior is what it means to be a "Maverick" then fuck Mavericks.

[iceman66]

From what I understand,

the way they are going to spin it is that the Bush/Paulson bailout, which they will try and link Obama to, is basically a giveaway of 700 billion taxpayer dollars to Wall Street, wheras the ridiculous Republican plan is instead funded by 'private investment.' The classic big government vs. free market approach.

Of course there is no substance to this argument because even Paulson, who is far from a liberal, says the Republican plan won't work. They don't care about that as they are more concerned with sloganeering and soundbites than a sensible solution to the problem.

[alsame]

11. Has McCain ever said what plan, if any, he is supporting? Or is

that supposed to be a surprise?

[Sebastian Doyle]

19. It's a secret plan, my friends....

...that I will be more than happy to tell you about, my friends, after I'm elected.

[msallied]

22. LMAO. Exactly. McCain has nothing here. Nothing.

[msallied]

24. self-delete

[trueblue2007]

56. this is what McCain REALLY LOOKS LIKE!!! Vampire or Devil

[DearAbby]

58. Caption time "whaaat? I can't hear you I have a turd in my ear."

[rateyes]

13. Easy answer. "John, you once again are long on attacks and short on facts.

Weren't you paying attention, yesterday? My proposal, unlike Mr. Bush's and the House Republicans', protects the American taxpayer. You support the same policies that got us in a hole in the first place---more deregulation of the markets---just more of the same stuff that's been proven not to work." We're in a hole created with a deregulated shovel. Your solution is to keep digging. My solution is to build a ladder and use it to climb out of the hole."

[chitty]

14. McCain's first mistake is thinking Obama

has to rehearse for this shit.

He knows it.

[bullwinkle428]

15. Thom Hartmann is presenting a gloom & doom scenario for Democrats,

based on this idea on his show right now. He said the timing is exactly the same as it was in 2002 with the IWR...he's furious with the Democrats for not having the ability to play political theater with the same skills as the Repukes...

Of course, this is the same guy that was saying every day during the week of the RNC that "Palin will be off the ticket within 24 hours"!

:rofl:

[iceman66]

29. I think the difference now is Obama

Without his leadership yesterday, Reid, Pelosi, etc. probably would have gotten steamrolled yet again.

[azmouse]

53. Hartmann always seems to see dark clouds everywhere.

I like the guy and his show but I take what he says with a huge grain of salt.

[Baltoman991]

16. For that

to happen Obama would have to be as stupid as John McCain is. I guess he's hoping no one will be able to figure out the trap the Republicans were trying to set with this clown show they put on this week.

Sadly for McCain, Obama isn't stupid. He knows what's coming and McCain will look like an idiot yet again.

[iceman66]

27. Stupid people who don't realize they're stupid,

i.e., the McCain campaign, tend to think that everyone else is as dumb as they are.

So far Obama has played this brilliantly, but the McCain people are getting desperate and one should never underestimate a cornered rat!

[scheming daemons]

17. He's going to attack Obama for saving America? LOL... good luck with that one, McWindsock

[screembloodymurder]

18. I agree, Obama will be ready, but what if the question comes from the moderator?

McCain can then sit back and take his shots. I think the questions and who gets asked what first could be very telling. Don't expect a fair fight after all, it is MS.

[Lex]

37. Isn't Jim Leherer the moderator?

I don't expect an ambush from him.

[Avalux]

20. Okay then. Does he not understand Obama doesn't need to rehearse?

Obama actually knows shit which means he can speak off the cuff without being pumped with info and coached. if McCain goes there at the debate, there's plenty Obama can unleash on McCain.

This should be fun.

[RedLetterRev]

21. A bottom-of-the-class, barely-scraped-by, jet-jockey cum fuckup

turned pencil-pusher who barely showed up for work in the last 30 years is going to outfox a top-of-the-class Harvard lawyer?

With freakin' what?

:rofl:

I'm peein' my pants laughin' ovah heah...

Bring it, Johnboy. Hope you packed a lunch.

[iceman66]

36. I bet McStain is rehersing his prepared lines right now

[crappyjazz]

23. To what "street" do you refer? Boulevard of Dreams?

Dumb Ass Street?

POW Avenue?

Maverick Drive?

Hail Mary Pass Lane?


It's like Fixed News' "people say"

[iceman66]

30. Wait and see what happens.

[leftynyc]

25. If he thinks Sen Obama isn't ready for the

bait and switch, he's dreaming. Our man will be ready for anything tonight.

[iceman66]

32. I expect so.

Doesn't mean they won't try this shit.

[leftynyc]

43. Of course they will

They know it's time for le grande gesture. I have faith in Senator Obama - he's no fool.

[torbird]

26. What part of "voted with Bush 95% of the time" does McCain not understand?

That plan would be laughable on its face. Keep digging, McCain! No, dig UP, stupid!

[cliffordu]

28. You are a complete fucking GENIUS!!!

:rofl:

[iceman66]

34. Again, I am just the messenger

This is what I was told by actual Republicans, who seemed pretty excited at the prospect.

[Overseas]

31. That's what Gingrich suggested a few days ago.

I'm sharing this clip rather widely because it looks like Republicans are trying to use parts of these ideas of the Newt to use the bailout discussions to revive JSM III's Fake Maverick branding.

=======================
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/gingrich-mccain.html

If McCain were to come out against the bailout plan, Gingrich said that Republicans would rally to his side and it would become possible for the McCain-Palin ticket to style itself as "taking on the Bush-Obama establishment."

"Either McCain is going to go along" with Obama in supporting the plan, said Gingrich, "in which case the establishment will have the fix in . . . or you are going to see McCain decide, much in the way that he did in picking Palin, that, in fact, he is a genuine maverick, that he genuinely defends the taxpayers, and that this is a terrible bill."

"If the latter happens," Gingrich continued, "I think you will see the emergence overnight of a 'McCain Reform Wing of the Republican Party' and you'll see House and Senate members siding with McCain by overwhelming margins and then you'll be in a very different political environment. You'll have 'Bush-Obama ads' on the one side and 'taking on the Bush-Obama establishment' on the other side, and that will be, frankly, one of the more amazing elections."

[Lex]

35. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say Obama has already thought of this ploy

and will be ready to show that McCain & Bush have been joined at the hip creating this mess in the 1st place.

[AlCzervik]

38. is the name of the street "Obvious"?

[CreekDog]

39. If that was the goal, then their whole strategy this week tipped Obama off

and sidelined the bill before Obama could vote for it.

or maybe they don't have a coherent strategy.

[iceman66]

41. I get the sense this is more of a last minute move,

born more out of desperation than anything else.

Earlier this week, McCain's handlers hit on the idea of politicizing the bailout (something McCain had absolutely no interest or involvement in up to that point) mostly as a distraction from his falling poll numbers and damaging stories about Palin and Rick Davis.

Unfortunately for them, his theatrics only served to foul up what was an emerging bipartisan consensus on the bailout, and now they are trying to spin it the best way they can.

[vaberella]

40. That's funny because it was McCain was supporting all over town while Obama said provision.

This is BS. He'll fuck up his campaign, if he even tries that.

[ColoradoMagician]

42. Obama can talk your ear off

about these issues. Obama is different than McCain in the sense that Obama actually studies the issues and solutions. He already has this stuff in his head.

Also, Obama has the truth on his side. He deals with reality.

[LisaM]

44. Thanks for the laugh.

I expect the audience to laugh heartily at this too.

[jberryhill]

45. Obama Needs To Withdraw From the Debate Immediately! /nt

[Perky]

46. Who's street? Sounds more like someone' cul de sac of pesonal opinion

[4_Legs_Good]

47. Absolutely doesn't surprise me

I expect Obama to be fully prepared to deal with this likely scenario.

McSame will try, also, to limit all discussion of foreign policy to the "surge".

David

[iceman66]

52. That too.

"McSame will try, also, to limit all discussion of foreign policy to the "surge"."

[KittyWampus]

48. Except it isn't "Bush's" bailout plan & the House GOP's plan is from deeply Conservative elements

with no bi-partisan participation in its creation.

[Teaser]

49. IT'S A TRAP!!!

[CakeGrrl]

50. Since Obama himself implied the debate should address both the bailout and Foreign Policy

I think he's on top of it. And I think he's prepared for McCain dirty tricks.

To borrow a quote from the movie Se7en:

"If John Doe's head splits open and a UFO flies out, I want you to have expected it."

:rofl:

[JimWis]

51. Obama's got this. McSame doesn't even know what side he is

on. He goes to the white house to work with the Republicans, but he is a Maverick, or isn't he, confusing huh. He never said shit at the meeting, just sat there, and everyone knows it. I really don't think McSame has a clue.

[iceman66]

55. He was obviously only there for a photo op.

The McCain people don't care about finding a real solution for the problem. It's all about finding the angle that makes their guy look good. As with everything else with these dirtbags, its 'Campaign First'; country be dammed!

[KayLaw]

54. I think it's true.

I posted earlier that Dennis on CNBC just said something about which plan would be better? The one proposed by the Maverick Republicans who don't want to use taxpayer dollar, or the one preferred by the Bush White House and the Dems, that costs a lot.

[jacksonian]

61. since when is suspending capital gains tax

not costing the US taxpayer? What a crock.

[iceman66]

63. That is their solution to EVERYTHING.

Seriously, if NASA announced tomorrow that an asteroid was going to hit the earth, some Repub somewhere would propose cutting the capital gains tax!

[firedupdem]

57. Whatever those fuckers think of Obama thought of weeks ago!

Obama's campaign knows he is dealing with filth...they will respond accordingly.

[medicswife]

59. He's stupid. Plain and simple. Obama has been more coherent

when taking questions on the economy all week long. As if Obama won't realize that at least part of the subject matter is going to be the economy.

[crankychatter]

60. Obama is fine... WE have a problem and that is...

assuming that McCain has ANYthing resembling a coherent strategy

I think the GOP is up shit frikkin creek and if they were not getting the BIG bucks from transnational corporations... they'd be too embarrassed to continue spewing their bullshit

mho

[JPZenger]

64. Tax Cuts Won't Help Remove Debt

The House Republican plan is divorced from reality. Their capital gains tax cut is only advantageous for an asset that has increased in value. It does nothing to help a bank that can't raise money because no one will buy any of their mortgage holdings.

We don't realize how much of the economy is dependent upon banks lending money to each other. Right now that has completely stopped. Every financial institution is trying to hoad cash. If the values of their debt need to be decreased again, then Federal regulations will require them to have more cash on hand, which they don't have.

If the current compromise plan works as designed, the taxpayers may make a profit from selling the debt in a couple years after the market has calmed down and housing prices have begun to go back up. Dems are proposed to reserve a quarter of the profits to help deal with foreclosures.

If we don't do something, businesses will not be able to get funds to operate, let alone to expand. It also will be much harder to get student loans - many companies have already left that business.

[DainBramaged]

65. You think Obama needs to rehearse for anything? We're not talking about McPain here

[HughMoran]

66. Seems that if it's posted here, the Obama team will be ready for it

I have a feeling Obama will smash this stupid talk down McCowards throat.

[Lucky 13]

67. Oh that tricky old devil! Obama will NEVER see that coming!

:eyes:

[seabeyond]

68. obama can focus on more than one thing at once. not too sure about mccain thought, lol n/t