Biden stumbling?

[Proud Liberal Dem]

I was listening to NPR this morning (Diane Rehm Show) and they were discussing Palin's recent interview with Katie Couric and one of the panelists (can't remember who it was) suggested that it is fortunate (for Palin) that Biden has been stumbling around on the campaign trail as well (I guess it makes Palin look less foolish?) and my jaw just about dropped on the floor. I only know of one recent comment that has been characterized as a "gaffe" (taxes & patriotism) and even that was actually a pretty reasonable comment (if viewed in its proper context and not the distorted way it was repeated by pundits). Did I miss something?

:wtf: is this guy talking about? Is this just another way of creating "false equivalency" and/or pumping up Palin?

[RichGirl]

1. These idiots...

...don't know he difference between a gaffe and sheer stupidity!!

[woolldog]

5. Good point.

There's a difference between misspeaking or saying something impolitic (Biden) and sheer stupidity or revealing that you have no substance and are unprepared to be VP (Palin).

[Curtland1015]

2. Biden has been amazing. He said one or two things out of maybe 10,000 lines of dialogue...

...that some people might not like and they got pounced on. Hell, at least the guy is out CAMPAIGNING!

[seabeyond]

3. he said roosevelt would have said on tv... no tv during roosevelt time

and talking about not gonna take my shot gun (or somthing) and hten later in sentence said barretta (hand gun)

those are the two i know about

daily show.

[trof]

13. 1. He meant and implied 'if there had been TV'.

2. Beretta makes very fine and expensive shotguns.

[1corona4u]

18. Se my post below, JON IS WRONG.

[FatDave]

29. See my post below your post below.

Biden made a mistake, and I don't hold it against him.

[1corona4u]

31. Jon made a mistake too.

Sorry, but he did.

[1corona4u]

17. Yes, there was TV during FDR's presidency!!

In fact. FDR was the FIRST president to GO ON TV. Look it up people!!!!( I included the facts below)

And, buy the way, I have "corrected" Jon for his ERROR in stating that there WAS NO TV THEN.

[seabeyond]

32. i thought he was first for radio. anyway.... i know that both examples used were stupid

and not stumblings.... but it is what i heard they were bitching about, hence my post

[nc4bo]

4. Not sure what he's referring to but every time I've seen Biden, he has been brilliant. nt

[FatDave]

6. The thing about FDR going on TV was pretty funny.

But that's the only thing I know about. Not like you have to force him to answer questions and then he can't do it.

[1corona4u]

19. Well, funny or NOT, it's a FACT. Look it up.

As I said above, FDR was the first president EVER to go on TV. It's a FACT.

Franklin
Delano Roosevelt is the only United States president to have been elected to four terms of office. FDR transformed the presidency and placed the institution at the very center of American life. During twelve years in office, Roosevelt shepherded his nation through the two greatest American crises of the twentieth century -- the Great Depression and World War II -- and left a legacy of political freedom and domestic security to the American people.

When Roosevelt took the oath of office on March 4, 1933, America lay in the depths of the Depression. Between 12 million and 15 million Americans, about 25 percent of the work force, were unemployed. Millions of people had lost their life's savings. Many had lost their homes and lived in makeshift shacks. Many more stood in long lines for free soup and bread. Eleven thousand of America's 25,000 banks had failed. Herbert Hoover, Roosevelt's predecessor, had steered a mostly idle course through the crisis, waiting for the economy to correct itself, but the correction had not come.

Franklin Roosevelt was not the type of man who waited for events to happen. In his inaugural address, he swore to bring the nation a New Deal, and backed by a soundly Democratic Congress, he took Washington by storm. Within days of taking office, he closed the remaining banks, avoiding a run on deposits that would have finished them all. He set up a system for judging the soundness of banks and reopened the ones that were solid. He moved to put the government itself on a budget, freeing up federal dollars for relief and reform measures.





http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/presidents/32_f_roosevelt /...

[FatDave]

27. Yes, there was TV in FDR's time.

Roosevelt served from 1933 to 1945. Televisions became commercially available in the US in the late 1930's, and I don't doubt that he was the first president to appear on television.

But Biden's exact statement was: "When the stock market crashed, Franklin Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the princes of greed. He said, 'Look, here's what happened.'"

There's several things wrong with this. Roosevelt wasn't president when the market crashed in 1929, and there was no television (other than prototypes) either.

It was a fuckup. Not a major one, but a fuckup nonetheless. There's no need to spin into intellectual dishonesty to cover up one minor fuckup in weeks of hard campaigning.

[1corona4u]

30. See, that's just the thing though...

everyone hangs on every fucking minute detail of what he says. Point is, FDR DID make an effort to let people what was going on. That was Biden's point, more so than the words he used. FDR was president during the depression, and he did address the people. No, he wasn't president when the stock market crashed, but he DEFINITELY was the one to explain it, and clean it up.

That's the point Biden was trying to make. SO what if he used the term "stock market" to define the mess, so what if he said TV instead of radio. BFD. That wasn't even the POINT of the comment.

I'm not "spinning into intellectual dishonesty" to defend him, I'm saying SO FUCKING WHAT.

Jesus.

[SeaLyons]

7. Biden is Brilliant....

even when or if he makes a gaffe - who cares??? He is BRILLIANT!!

[Frustratedlady]

8. He had a couple booboos the other day, but who wouldn't?

The problem for both sides is that the media only plays the booboos...over and over again...rather than anything of substance. I would think they would even get tired of hearing it. I don't think the media would know a good speech if they tripped over it. It gets old.

There are too many Monday Morning Quarterbacks in this campaign.

[kansasblue]

9. In an effort cool things of for Palin.....

they are pitching a couple of phony ideas.

1) Biden is weak and the Dems are thinking about replacing him.

2) Biden is making gaffes. Clips I saw where the ones when he said Obama was 'clean' and then the other was when he introduced Barack America.

The rest was fluff... trying to make it look like the Palin and Biden were in the same boat. It was weak and directed at someone watching the TV half asleep.

[CreekDog]

25. the "clean" remark was about ethics...it drives me crazy that it's reported as otherwise

biden has never commented, nor does he care to about someone's grooming or personal hygeine.

bugs the hell out of me. the other thing that bothers me is that so many here bought into a highly implausible meaning of the word and still give credence to that flawed interpretation.

[Bensthename]

10. BS Biden has been ripping McCain's ass in quite a nice fashion lately.

The problem with Biden is he is out there saying thousands of words off script while she isn't saying any.

And the "gaffe" (taxes & patriotism).. That was not a gaffe in my opinion. Making people to pay taxed over borrowing trillions from China is patriotic and responsible.

[NYCGirl]

11. Biden's gaffes make more sense than Palin on her best day. NT

[Bensthename]

12. the "gaffe" (taxes & patriotism) was not a gaffe in my opinion.

Having people pay taxes over borrowing trillions from China is patriotic and responsible.

[NYCGirl]

28. I agree. That's just common sense. NT

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

14. This is a classic example of "projection."

It's funny.

[Overseas]

15. He has made some minor gaffes which the corporate media needs to inflate

for their own purposes of boosting McSame and Failin.

In addition to those few cited above, I think he said he opposed the bailout when he first heard, which was contrary to Obama's position. But Obama calmly said that he wished Biden had waited to hear more details about the Democratic plan. But made no big deal about it. We know Obama didn't choose Biden to be a Yes man.

[HughMoran]

16. Why repeat the idiotic comment from one dumb ass moron?

Seriously.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

21. Just curious

For the record, I thought it was BS too. I just wanted to know what I might have missed (if anything). I hope that by mentioning it that I'm not granting it legitimacy that it does not deserve. This IS a discussion board, right?

[HughMoran]

24. I just don't take comments designed to "level the playing field" seriously

If you watched Cafferty just a few minutes ago you would have been STUNNED at the complete stupidity of Palin & her mindless gibberish answer to Couric's questions. There is NO comparision beteen them. None.

[lolamio]

20. The difference is that in Biden's case, they really are simply gaffes, but...

In Palin's case, they are a reflection of complete incompetence and ignorance.

[JuniperLea]

22. They don't recognize stumbling...

Remember, this is bizarro world... opposite is operative...

[Kilroy003]

23. There's been a few instances where Biden

and Obama appeared to not be on the same page. For example, Joe said last week that the AIG bailout was a bad decision, while at the same time, Obama agreed with it. Biden also mentioned to a reporter that he thought some Obama attack ads were in bad taste, or something like that. The media picks up on these minor miscues and blows them all out of proportion.

[goodgd_yall]

26. Yes, "false equivalency"

I heard the same remark made on CNN, or maybe it was McNeil/Lehrer. I've been listening to his stump speeches every chance I get, and I've heard no gaffes. If he's fumbled a word or two in his speech, there's no comparing that to Palin's pitiful and embarrassing performance in Couric's interview.