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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 08:59 AM
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VIX above 70 (If the dow closes above 9000 I won't be shocked)
Edited on Fri Oct-10-08 09:10 AM by Kurt_and_Hunter
The VIX, an index of predicted volatility that indicates levels of fear, broke 70 today. That's not just a record, it's beyond imagining.

9/11 was a VIX 35 event.

Markets cannot bottom until almost every last person throws in the towel, and we're close to that.

So a violent 'panic buying' rebound is quite possible today. That doesn't mean a long lasting rebound or a permanent bottom.

(This was posted while the market was way down, BTW)
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 09:00 AM
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1. The VIX at 70 indicates a short term rally of possibly greater than 20%.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 09:13 AM
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7. is that based on psychology and/or past events?
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 09:35 AM
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12. Back in 2002 when the VIX got this high the rallies were very sharp.
It was almost like clock-work.
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bigscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 09:01 AM
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2. i wished more people realized
that panic buying or panic selling are NOT investment strategies
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Curtland1015 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 09:02 AM
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3. I've seen people predicting that the stock market was going to bounce like a ball for a while...
...several months perhaps, before evening out. I hope it's just that and not a downward spiral.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 09:12 AM
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5. Yes, there is supposed to be some varriation day to day!
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 09:03 AM
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4. My wife asked me this morning when we should get back in
we've been in money market/cash funds for over a year now to protect principle. I said when the market is in the 5K's.

A short term rally does not mean bottom. As long as the credit markets are seized up there is no bottom. I don't see anything freeing up the credit markets until after the first of the year at the earliest.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 09:12 AM
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6. I've Never Seen the VIX at These Levels
Ususally when it gets to 40-50 it's primed for a bounceback. I tried getting in a couple of time, but got stopped out very quickly. Am just sitting in cash now.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 09:13 AM
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8. Until this month the record was something like 41, I think
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 09:35 AM
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13. On an intra-day basis in 2002 I think it got up to 50.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 09:16 AM
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9. Bush speaking
Dow will drop again.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 09:18 AM
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10. Not if he announces semi-nationalization of the banks
Edited on Fri Oct-10-08 09:19 AM by Kurt_and_Hunter
Not saying he will, just noting that there are a few things he could say that would be positive.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 09:19 AM
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11. He could announce anything
it still is going to drop. The market have no confidence in anything he proposes.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 02:42 PM
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14. Bingo!
at 3:41 EDT up over 200. Nice handicapping.
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