WHAT'S WITH ALL THE BS GLOOM & DOOM THREADS PEOPLE!

[GOPAgainstGW]

Damn, what is going on here at DU!!!!!! Half the threads on here are stupid gloom and doom garbage and talking about worthless polls, and media people with their head up their rears, INSTEAD OF THE FACTS AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO HELP KERRY-EDWARDS WIN THIS ELECTION!

Further, MODERATORS, why are so many of these gloom and doom threads being allowed to be started on this Forum. How many of these crap threads do we need!

Good FACTUAL threads get posted here and get either no attention or are driven down by all this worthless gloom and doom garbage.

Look, this is an awesome Forum with people that I/we can tell really care about this Country, its direction, and kicking these two fascist losers Bush-Cheney out on the street come November! If we lose focus and continue this stupid gloom and doom chaos, it’s over and we just helped Bush-Cheney win! - END OF STORY

We came on this Forum (which is 1 of 4 Democratic forums we posts) because of the outstanding people here and the awesome work and digging you were doing on the O’Neill-SBVT fraud, which we have been heavily involved 24/7 to drag down for six weeks. Everything is perfect in this regard, trust us! Also we have well reciprocated back in our posts at DU to meet the common objective – TO PUT KERRY-EDWARDS IN THE WHITE HOUSE.

You are ALL smart enough to know that the Bush-Cheney-GOP machine has many moles at this site that have been here for many months! Some of them have over 1,000 posts. Maybe since I/we are Republicans for Kerry-Edwards, and not just any ol’ Reps, we can spot these moles better than Democrat DUers. I don't know, but they are obvious as hell and it's the worst the last 4 days I have seen in months of monitoring this Forum!

BOTTOM LINE - Kerry-Edwards and their campaign is doing PERFECT! and are way ahead in the TRUE Internal Dynamic Polls. Bush-Cheney-GOP knows they are in horrible trouble and are going to lose without a miracle! They is why all their massive fraud and all the total crap they are pulling. THEY’RE DESPERATE, they don’t have a damn thing to run their campaign on but trying to sell fear which never works.

Also, the Democratic Party is the most focused I have personally witnessed since John F. Kenney ran for President over 40 years ago. Guess I just showed by age, LOL! After the DNC and Gore being a total disaster in 2000, the Bush-Cheney-GOP were totally caught by surprise, when the 04 Kerry-Edwards-DNC machine came roaring back. 1,000,000’s of Republicans are impressed by what is going on with the Democratic Party, which was basically pronounced dead years ago.

Look the media will say ANYTHING to sell advertising and their garbage to keep you watching and wasting your time – That’s their job, that is how they make their money. The media is corporate controlled mostly by GOP operatives and allies. It has been this way for 100 years, despite hearing that the media is a rag for the liberals. The last poll we saw showed 79% of the media, many that are currently bashing Kerry, will vote for Kerry-Edward come November. The media cannot exist if they don’t sell confusion, fear, and distortion. End of Discussion.

September is loaded with huge bombs to drop on the Bush-Cheney-GOP-SBVT fraud, and October will surprise everyone. I/we, and others, have posted many of these upcoming bombs already at DU. Of course, they are quickly lost in the gloom and doom, and worthless poll threads and end in the DU achieve section where people cannot post and give us feedback on these threads and vis-versa.

For several reasons, both monetary and political, nothing could be done by the K-E campaign, as to new K-E campaign bombs until AFTER the RNC in NYC which was a disaster for the GOP. Again I and my group are Republicans and are extremely well wired Ok! The GOP is in a tizzy, they screwed up their convention so bad! And of course more flat out GOP fraud rolled out today, that I will address in another thread and need DUers help.

Look everyone PLEASE, support the threads that will help Kerry-Edward into the White House, and keep the true DUers educated, and STOP supporting these worthless gloom and doom, along with crap poll threads and let them drop.

That my humble thoughts and 3 cent on this issue. Thanks.......

NKR

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[Minimus]

1. amen!

[cheshire]

2. This is what I have been trying to fiqure out. Loser mentality

[faithnotgreed]

3. yes, this is something i most definitely agree with you on.

[mindfulNJ]

4. YES!

Thank you for the reality check!
:yourock:

[seabeyond]

5. amen brother and hallalujah.........

praise the lord.

lol lol ok, been hangin out witht he baptist an awfully lot lately

[bobbyboucher]

6. Whatthefuckever.

This whole issue is a non-issue.

[Zynx]

7. I hate the pessimists. All they do is bitch, bitch, bitch.

The Time poll is bullshit. We will see that in the polling in the next few days.

[flpoljunkie]

8. Thank for you this wake up post. I hope everyone reads it and gets it.

[ronnykmarshall]

9. Amen!

You said it!

With Bill Clinton going into the hospital and this crap being posted I've been ready to :puke: !!

[ronnykmarshall]

10. Question for you NKR

are you planning on leaving the GOP?

[GOPAgainstGW]

17. IF I DID I WOULD LOSE ALL MY INSIDE CONTACTS & MY JOB

also Texas, like D.C., for the first time in 130 years is Admin & Legislature GOP in the majority. So you have a lot more rights and connections wearing a Republican suit in D.C. and Texas.

I'm a liberal Republican or a conservative Democrat, depending on what side of the cookie you are looking at.

I wish this Country could do away with all the Political Party BS. Don't mean to offend anyone, but it has always struck me as mindless.

[ronnykmarshall]

19. Thanks, that really explains a lot.

You're on the correct side and that's all that matters.

:yourock:

[MoonRiver]

11. THANK YOU for saying what so many of us have felt!

These freep infiltrators, no matter how many one word posts they have racked up, need to be banned.

[Guaranteed]

12. THE SKY IS RISING!! THE SKY IS RISING!! nt

[Meshuga]

13. Two months to go and people think Kerry already lost?

Because of ONE POLL shows bush leading by 11 points during the RNC? Please! People need to stop watching TV. It's only going to drive them nuts!

[tridim]

14. Half are Freepers

and half are DU'ers being suckered in. The BS Time poll was the catalyst.

Time will retract the poll.. Stay tuned.

[autorank]

29. Please make my day; why & when will Time withdraw the Poll.

They should because its an outlier but is there any reason to think they really woould?

[Robbien]

15. Many of them are people who post at DU to spread doom and gloom

on purpose. Then the right wing lurkers will go back to their sites and show proof of how demoralized liberal/progressives are.

[lapfog_1]

16. With the conventions over, and only 60 days in the campaign

They have decided to begin the major manipulation of facts
and data, using all weapons available to them, to ensure the
outcome they want. They being the forces behind the Bush/Cheney
ticket.

Polls are out (amazing, within 24 hours of shrubya's acceptance
speech and, why, he's up 11 points over Kerry). Job numbers are
out (well, we predicted 150,000, so we aren't happy with only
144,000, but it's good news!).

Things you didn't notice for the entire RNC... not a single terror
alert! All the "terrorists" are busy in Russia apparently, and
can't be bothered to "chatter" about NYC or the US. How different
from the DNC. Amazing. Even Iraq seemed to quite down a little bit.
(well, not really, but from the news it appeared to).

So what's going on? We go from 32,000 jobs (now being revised UP)
to 144,000 jobs... even while the markets have been sliding,
consumer confidence (and therefore consumer purchasing) has gone
down. Oil was up, and has been (even with the recent 10 percent
correction down, still WAAAY up) but gasoline is either holding
steady or dropping (and this is weeks and weeks after oil started
going up. What's up with that? Oil company altruism. Demand
for gasoline down but demand for oil is UP?

Folks, we are being manipulated like crazy. Pure and simple.
Oil really IS up (because the forces that are manipulating can't
control world events). Jobs are not coming back. Statistics
can be manipulated. What about the polls.... oh yes, what ABOUT
the polls. Double digit lead? For Shrubya? Nope. I think
it's a lie. I don't know of a single Gore voter who is now
for Kerry. I know of many, many Bush voters and Nader voters
who are voting for Kerry. This may be anecdotal, but I bet
there is not a SINGLE DUer (out of 49,000 of us) that knows
of such things. These are all likely voters because they VOTED
last time. And Gore won the popular vote by hundreds of thousands.
So how can any poll now state that shrubya has a double digit
lead. Easy. They simply lie to you. Oh, they may go to some
lengths to do it. Likely cherry picked locations to select
their samples... on paper, I'm sure it looks good. But it's a
lie. Just like the job numbers, just like the terror levels,
and just like the price of gas.

If they succeed, then a number of us may be so discouraged that
we DON'T go to vote, and worse, right now we won't work hard
to get our base to vote. If they succeed, they can get the
actual vote close enough to steal it again, only this time
they realize that purging the voter roles in Florida, along
with the recount madness and butterfly ballots isn't enough.
They have to steal EVERYWHERE and use lots of techniques.
They hope that if they start enough fires (BBV, role purges,
no secret ballots for armed forces, email votes, etc, etc),
that they will wear us down and some (enough) will work to
get their puppets in the white house again.

We can't let them get away with this again. This may be our
last chance to stop them. Witness how the protesters were
treated in NYC... not harmed or beaten with batons, simply
herded up and sent away to a detention facility, and DESPITE
a court order, held with charges or bail or access to media
or attorneys right up until the RNC was over. They don't really
care about protesters, not really. They aren't that worried
about them at all.

That's my 4 cents on it.

[dmr]

26. MSA: The Manipulated States of America

That's how I see it.

I look forward to reading more of your posts, lapfog.

Giving up now, just because they can manipulate some of the masses, is exactly what they are aiming for.

I refuse to give them that satisfaction.

[brentspeak]

18. And some of us are neither freepers nor defeatists

Just Democrats who prefer practical hopes over blind ones. I've never subscribed to pie-in-the-sky optimism, but neither do I get taken in by useless pessimism. I have no use for "everything's going perfectly!" just as I have no use for "we're doomed! there's nothing we can do!" The former leads to Dukakis Redux; the latter, to just giving up and not trying.

Hardheaded realism, tempered with constructive action and a "never-say-die!" attitude, is what I want to see.

[ClassWarrior]

20. So what's your problem then?

The poster is decrying "we're doomed! there's nothing we can do!" posts. If you have no use for them, what EXACTLY is your problem??

[brentspeak]

25. My problem is this:

"Kerry-Edwards and their campaign is doing PERFECT!"

Like I said in MY post, that kind of blind optimism just ain't going to cut it in an election, especially not this one. I'm seeing some of threads here get unfairly tarred (within the thread) as "doom & gloom freeper/defeatist" when that's not at all the case.

Somebody points out the obvious -- that Kerry needs to put up his dukes more, for example -- and before you know it, there's five replies saying that person is some kind of freeper or defeatist who's "buying into the media B.S", when, maybe, all they're really buying into is their own gut feeling.

[wildeyed]

21. What will win this election is voter turn out.

Sign 'em up, turn 'em out.

I keep posting, if you feel down, if you really hate bush, then nothing, I mean nothing, will vanish those blues like turning in a big, fat stack of democratic voter registration forms to your local board of elections. I turned in about 80 this morning, so even that crap poll only had me down for a few. The people I register do not show up in a sample of 'likely voters' anyway.

Look, me doing it by myself won't change the outcome of this election. But if ALL of us do it, we will win, no question.

[ClassWarrior]

22. So true!!

HeadCount.org and Rock the Vote are two great organizations that can point you in the right direction to help GOTV.

[Viking12]

23. Testify brother!

Between the chicken little threads and the whiners looking for the "perfect" candidate it does get a little frustrating. 60 days left to make our mark, let's do it with pride and style.

[GOPAgainstGW]

24. Worthless Polls, Caused Clinton to Think He Lost in 1992 against H.W. Bush

I have posted this a half a dozen times at DU, but in '92, the night before the election James Carvelle and George Steph, that were running Clinton's campaign, thought Clinton was going to lose against H.W.Bush based on the polls. For 6 weeks coming into election day the polls showed that Clinton had basically lost all his lead.

Clinton slammed Bush the next day 370/168 electoral votes and the rest if history!.

In 2004 we have almost identical dymanics going on in this Presidental election and Papa H.W. Bush knows it! That's why the Bush Texas Mafia is going nuts, and remember Papa Bush still really hates Clinton, LOL.

Bottom line, in politics, nothing at the surface is every what is REALLY going on.

[ScreamingMeemie]

27. Ummmm....nobody's perfect. Please stop shouting at people.

We are we the people, and last I checked, I was allowed an opinion. My opinion is that things are not bad...but they could be better. Sorry I'm not walking the line. :hi:

[dmr]

28. Thanks GOPAgainstGW -

For seasoned DUers, they are easy to spot; for the DUers who are relatively new to politics, they usually are not, and they can unknowingly fall into the doom and gloom trap the infiltrators set. These posts are demoralizing, making it appear that this is how we actually do feel.

I do beleive there have been sincere posts made by people who are worried, so I think we need to be sensitive to their feelings. That presents us with a Catch-22: how do you stop the infiltrators and yet embrace those that truly do need a pep talk?

I believe that doom and gloom needs to be contained in one thread - for one simple reason - they are dublicates! They are just plain disruptive.

Multiple doom and gloom threads are counter-productive whether they are sincere or manipulative.

Threads like this one are usually locked, as we are discussing DU policy, and we also do not discuss calling out other DUers. I don't usually post on threads like these. I am hoping, however, that this thread be kept open, and especially hoping that we can come up with a possible solution.

This is war, afterall.

Thank you GOPAgainstGW for an excellent post.

[GOPAgainstGW]

30. No thanks for your post. Just Excellent!!!

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[AWhitneyBrown]

31. I second these thoughts.

Just to let you know that my suspicions about this poster bona fides are balanced.

[PopSixSquish]

32. Even the Bush Campaign Admits the Time Poll is Bogus

CBS Evening News report last night. They think that since there are very few undecideds, that next week's polls will be much closer. We're already seeing it today with Rassmussen.

Secondly, look at the state polls. To quote Willie Sutton "That's where the money is"

[kid a]

33. A rare need for ALL CAPS

Great Post - I am still optimistic, fighting mad, and taking action!!!

You speak the truth.

Thanks

[sandnsea]

34. I've alerted on it too

I think it's bullshit. First, we aren't supposed to be criticizing the candidate. But even if they want to respect free speech which is certainly fair, there are rules about dupes and flame bait. The mods need to start enforcing those rules. This is stupid and counter-productive.

[neomonkey]

35. How do we know YOU'RE not a mole :)

and that perhaps you are trying to lull us into a state of complacency?

All this stuff about desperation on the part of the Bush campaign and about our focus sounds great, but it's largely anecdotal, IMO.

[MrBenchley]

36. YESSS!!!!

[oasis]

37. Weak-in-the-knees, hand wringers come to DU for sanctuary. It's a

cruel world out there. :nopity:

[Catherine Vincent]

38. I sure wish I could find out who you are!

[GOPAgainstGW]

39. Maybe This Will Help - PLEASE READ

====================================
“Insider’s News”, Vol 1
Kerry-Edwards Campaign Doing Well!
September 6, 2004
====================================

There is currently much confusion and despair among Democrats about all the positive Bush news, the bogus 11 point lead in the polls, the new round of Kerry smear ads, Kerry’s been too quiet and not aggressive enough, blah, blah.

Bottom line is everything is fine and the Kerry-Edwards ticket is still doing well. You have to understand that in politics nothing on the surface, that is viewable by the public, is ever what is REALLY go on. It's sad, but true.

Secondly, I/we believe that September will be a very good month for the Kerry-Edward ticket, with substantial progress and gains in October. You have to understand that K-E/DNC had to hold back on the big bombs and surprises until after the Republican National Convention and the Labor Day Holiday, for several reasons both political and financial.

Also, the next two months, the ‘04 Presidential Election campaigns will be the dirtiest and most distorted on record, particularly coming from the Bush-Cheney-GOP and their Bush Family "Texas Mafia" relationships. So just plan on it and don’t get caught chasing your tail along with wasting time and energy.

There is many extremely sharp people here at DU that I can tell really care about this Country and it future! All we have to do is analyze the incoming information, determine what is accurate or fraudulent/smear, and then do something positive for the K-E campaign with the knowledge. Further, please don't under-estimate your resources.

In closing, the Kerry-Edwards ticket has the best chance of winning for the Democratic party since the 1960 John F. Kennedy-Lyndon B. Johnson Democratic ticket was successful. This statement is based on analysis of a myriad of factors. Further, there are very similar positive trends and dynamics between voters’ attitudes in the current Presidential election and the Clinton-H.W. Bush election in 1992, where the Democrats were successful. An election, that greatly shocked the H.W. Bush-GOP, and frankly more than a few key Clinton-DNC individuals when President Clinton slammed Bush 370/168 electoral votes!

I/we would be less than honest, if I didn’t state that the Kerry-Edward-DNC ticket is the strongest I have seen in 45 years of political experience.

This ’04 President Election is Kerry-Edwards to lose, NOT Bush-Cheney’s to win!

J.A.L

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From: NKR

Here are several DU threads we started (with other DUer comments) for your consideration, that I believe will help in understanding what is going on with the current election cycle.

What ‘04 Election is REALLY About- A GOP Group’s View
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x747983

History Say Bush-Cheney will Lose-From A Political Insider
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x738711

Why Political Polls Are Totally Worthless in this Election Cycle
From a Political Insider with 28 Years Experience
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x742180

Huge Bush “Real Dirt” Books to Hit Stores – The September Surprise
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=735192&mesg_id=735192

Time and Other Magic Bush Lead Polls-Are GOP Rigged
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x744192

The 9/13/04 Torpedo that Sinks Bush-Cheney - Let the Election War Begin!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=795748&mesg_id=795748

What's with all the BS GLOOM & DOOM threads!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=741090&mesg_id=741090

Excellent "Must Read" Article on John Kerry & His Presidential Bid
DAMAGE CONTROL - Voters Need to Believe that John Kerry can put the Country Back on Track.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=696519&mesg_id=696519&page=

----OUR ANTI-BUSH/CHENEY CARTEL INTERESTS--------

Why Our Group is out to Destroy O’Neill & SBVT
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x748009

Wife of Killed in Action Swift Boat Commander Comes Forward for Kerry & Against SBVT
– Along with our full comments and response
www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x677474

Kerry vs. Bush & Cheney - A Past President’s Perspective
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x698561

Republicans Skip RNC Bush Speech-See Fahrenheit 9/11 Instead
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x740187

Why Bush-Cheney-GOP is Using SBVT Fraud Smoke Screen to Hide one
of the most important issues in this Country’s history:
Terrorism Policies Are a Massive Failure-Nuclear Terrorist Hit Next
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x665382
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----ProKerry/Anti-Bush-Cheney Video Clips----

Awesome Site of Clips!
http://www.canofun.com/videoclips.asp

Bush in 30 Seconds - 150 Anti-Bush Ads
http://www.bushin30seconds.org/150/

MoveOn.org - Ad Video Clips
http://www.moveon.org/press/ads.html

Kerry-Edwards Official Video Clips
http://www.johnkerry.com/video/console.php?video=082204_issues#082204_issues

Audios - GOP Hypocrite of the Week - Great!
http://www.buzzflash.com/audio/

Other great Anti-Bush info & links - Smoking Gun Archive
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/archive.html

News Video Source
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/

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Be Well, God Bless, and Have a Fantastic Holiday Weekend!

N.K.R

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Public Sites we are Involved
Democratic Underground (GOPAgainstGW):
“GOP Against Bush-Cheney” DU Master List
...(To Be Posted 9/8/04)
General Discussion: Campaign 2004:
...http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=132
Swift-Boat-Veterans-for-Truth-Gate: The File: (Skip Fox’s Thread, …does a great job!)
...See Thread in Editorials and Other Articles Forum

Media Matters for America: http://mediamatters.org
Kerry-Edwards OnLine Forum: http://forum.johnkerry.com
...Kerry-Edwards Rapid Response Center:
....Official Press Releases on SBVT: http://blog.johnkerry.com/rapidresponse/

Swift Boat Veterans vs The Truth: http://swiftvets.eriposte.com
Swift Boats Veterans for Truth: http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Swift_Boat_Veterans_for_Truth
Swift Boat Liars: http://www.swiftboatliars.com/

[a new day]

40. I'm a non-beltway, Washington DEMOCRAT against Bush

And I say, go peddle your papers somewhere else.

It is purely idiotic to ignore the lousy August Kerry/Edwards had, and long overdue changes are being made.

Hallelujah!

[GOPAgainstGW]

41. Speaking of Idiots. Stop watching Estrogen Bias Media Flakes & Get A Life!

The only people here at DU saying August was a lousy month for Kerry-Edwards is Free Republic "plants" or GOP-Karl Rove "plants". Which one are you?

You obviously don't have a clue about the political campaigning process or understand voter dymanics!

Did adjustments need to be made in the K-E campaign? Yes, but that has been factored in for some time.

Bush-Cheney and their August fradulent campaign tactics have upset MILLONS of Republicans, that have turned on them.

So I/we will take one of your "idiotic & lousy August's" at this stage in the campaign, ANY TIME MR. EXPERT!

[Malva Zebrina]

42. most that I have seen were dismayed at the way the Kerry campaign

was being conducted.

It turns out that they were right and there has been a change in the Kerry campaign.


At the hands of demogogues who may have felt they were losing control over a perceived kingship of the DU, these brave people who voiced their fears here, were denigrated, villified and attacked.

It was unfair and it was shameful.

I feel sorry for those people who will jump on any bandwagon without examining and reflecting upon the obvious faults of that which they are cheeleading with horse blinders on and fixed firmly in place

It is shameful what harm they have done to honest posters who we all know will vote for Kerry.

Be proud