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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 08:59 PM
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Andrew Sullivan Just Wrote The Most Brilliant Piece On Obama I Think I've Ever Read
His calm is almost unnatural. I’ve been following Barack Obama closely now for two years and I’ve never seen him or even heard of him losing his temper. The worst I’ve seen was a little irritation at a fund-raiser a year and a half ago where some volunteers backstage were making so much noise that he couldn’t think straight. There was a little edge in his voice as he asked them to quieten down. During some of the tensest moments in the primary campaign, he would sometimes go into a hotel room alone for a few minutes, compose himself and then come back out. Hillary Clinton cried in public. Bill Clinton got red in the face and made some borderline racist remarks. John McCain picked Sarah Palin, called Obama Britney Spears, suspended his campaign in the middle of a financial panic, unveiled a completely loopy mortgage bailout scheme on live television last week and explodes on cue like a microwaved bag of popcorn.

Obama? He lollops along with a calm smile and a physical fluency that is hard to mock or copy. If he were a boxer, he’d be the kind who keeps moving but hangs back. He waits for his opponents to take a swing, ducks and comes back into the game. He sticks to a game plan and rarely deviates. And he waits for his opponent to make an error. Watching his autumn fight with McCain reminds me of the Wile E Coyote and Road Runner cartoons. Every elaborate attempt to blow Obama up leaves his opponents with sooty faces and a trail of smoke rising from the tops of their heads. Remember the Clintons? They assumed this young liberal black man from Chicago was unelectable. They assembled their massive armoury, cashed in their chits and awaited the victory parade. Obama quietly but ruthlessly followed a stealth caucus and primary campaign that brilliantly leveraged Hillary’s inevitability against her. He made the first potential woman president look like the past. By the beginning of March, she was toast, although it took her a few more months to come to terms with it.

McCain never seemed to learn from the Clintons’ misjudgment of their rival. A key element of Obama’s strategy is classic rope-a-dope. He gets his opponents to splutter with irritation as “that one”, as McCain contemptuously described Obama in last Tuesday’s debate, glides towards them in the polls. He does his thing, raises masses of money, keeps his staff in perfect order and focuses on issues and themes. He can segue from the inspirational agent of change of the spring to the reassuring conventional pol of the autumn without anyone really noticing the seams. That takes political skill. You’ve either got it or you haven’t.Obama rarely directly attacks. He subtly baits. His most brilliant rope-a-dope of the entire campaign was against Bill Clinton in the spring. In a newspaper interview, Obama cited Ronald Reagan as the last transformational president. He didn’t mention Clinton. The former president was offended by being implicitly dissed, took the bait and unleashed a series of unwise public scoffs at the young Democrat, culminating in a dismissal of Obama as another Jesse Jackson. Suddenly, black Democrats abandoned Clinton’s wife, and the Clintons’ base collapsed. Obama merely stepped out of the way as the Clintons self-destructed. He didn’t just end their campaign; he helped to bury their reputation.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/andrew_sullivan/article4925049.ece

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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:06 PM
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1. Obama has been underestimated throughtout this campaign
He really knows how to get a rival to simply do themselves in and then watches as they self destruct. Did he panic over Palin becoming the VP pick for McInsane? Nope. He stayed calm and steady. He is hard to throw off course.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 06:25 PM
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67. He's even been misunderestimated.
A literate president would be a welcomed change.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:07 PM
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2. Yes it is a brilliant point and it is true
Obama has that Kennedy/FDR calm.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:08 PM
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3. LOL, loved this...
..."and explodes on cue like a microwaved bag of popcorn." :rofl:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:18 PM
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8. Yes, that was an excellent
analogy for mccain's temperament.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 06:33 PM
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68. That was my favorite too!
:rofl:
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:11 PM
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4. Sullivan was the first high-profile Obamacan journalist/blogger. He's been more loyal to Obama....
than most Democrats in the DNC and Congress since Obama announced his candidacy. And he's been absolutely brutal against McCain
and Palin. At this crucial time, Obama is well-served by having the top single-person blogger in the world on his side.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:14 PM
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5. What a great read.
Can't believe I agree 100% with Andrew Sullivan on something.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:15 PM
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6. Andrew has hit this one out of the ball park!
He is right Obama has been steady from the beginning. He has a staff that is disciplined and does not make mistakes.

3 Weeks to go and I predict that McCain will make at least 5 more huge blunders.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:16 PM
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7. Wow! That was mesmerizing to
read ..having been there the whole time fighting for his candidacy every step of the way. At least just before Iowa, anyway.
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:18 PM
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9. Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. n/t
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:19 PM
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10. Campaigns
....are testing grounds for who will make the best president.

So far Obama picked a VP who is a seasoned political veteran. He has directed a staff that has overcome the opposition, inspired millions to act, and keeps looking more and more presidential every day.

Mccain has picked a loon for VP, faltered at debates, flip-flopped at times and is running away from his own party. He looks less and less presidential as time goes by.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:19 PM
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11. I've been watching him work his magic with the Clintons
The more they opposed Obama last spring and summer, the worse Hillary and Bill looked. But now, the more they support him, the more everybody loves them again. This latest Scranton outing with the Bidens has really had me shaking my head in amazement.

That isn't even Kennedy-style charisma. It's the ability to make whatever touches him look good and whatever opposes him look bad, and I don't know any name for it.

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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 11:01 PM
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33. But Sullivan got one thing wrong about the Clinton's. He said
Obama cited Ronald Reagan as the last transformational president. He didn’t mention Clinton. The former president was offended by being implicitly dissed

Even worse (or better, depending) he DID mention Clinton. He said Reagan had "changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not."

I knew Bill would not like that much! If Clinton hadn't done his little fairy tale rant and the crap with the lawsuit there in Nevada I think he'd have left Clinton's name out of it. It would still have been a dig but not a direct barb.

Obama was correct. Clinton did good things but the trajectory was not changed, we really went more to the right, more into deregulation, republicans got the house back...but there was no reason for him to name Clinton except to get at Bill. And he did.

Here is to changing the trajectory
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 06:53 PM
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69. He has AUTHORITY
in its purist sense.
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lucky leftie Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 12:01 AM
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87. The name for it? How about "imaginary?"
The Clintons looked just fine to 18 million voters during the primaries. Their appeal has nothing to do with Obama.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:20 PM
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12. Excellent piece
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gratefultobelib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:21 PM
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13. Marvelous. I enjoyed every word.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:23 PM
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14. "Beep, beep!" I can almost picture McLame with his ACME campaign kit.
Ka-BOOM! }(
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Mira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:23 PM
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15. How often can I recommend this??????
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:24 PM
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16. While I do like the article, I disagree with the last sentence
Edited on Sun Oct-12-08 09:34 PM by senseandsensibility
Obama is not a "valium." He has real strength and energy; he just doesn't need to show it all the time.
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TXDemGal Donating Member (600 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:37 PM
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22. Yes, you're so right on
and Sully is off in his last sentence. Overall it was a good, perceptive piece.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 10:33 PM
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28. I liked the article, too, but didn't like the line, "That's how he
managed his mother." WTF? Makes it sound like he was a maniacal little shit when he was a kid, who had to "manage" his mother, as if SHE were out of control or something.

Other than picking that nit, I liked the article.

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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 10:37 PM
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29. Yeah, I had to reread that sentence a couple of times
and decided to give Sullivan the benefit of the doubt, since the rest of the article was so good. But I still don't get it.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 11:32 PM
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35. That line was weird, as though his own mother would be afraid of the African side of him...? nt
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nsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:26 AM
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44. In that line, Sullivan is alluding to a passage from "Dreams from My Father".
Edited on Mon Oct-13-08 01:34 AM by nsd
Obama described in that passage how, as a teenager, he responded to his mother's worries about his drug use.

I had given her a reassuring smile and patted her hand and told her not to worry, I wouldn't do anything stupid. It was usually an effective tactic, another of those tricks I had learned: People were satisfied so long as you were courteous and smiled and made no sudden moves. They were more than satisfied; they were relieved—such a pleasant surprise to find a well-mannered young black man who didn’t seem angry all the time.


Obama's a complicated guy.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 04:05 PM
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58. My teenage sons manage me exactly the same way.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 06:15 PM
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64. I can't imagine
straddling that many strata's of life and coming out of it with such a strong self identity. His mom and his grandparents must have been something.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 07:24 AM
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47. One of the tasks of being a teenager is learning how to "manage" your parents
Come on -- we all did it.
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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 04:30 PM
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59. Yeah, but I wasn't a black child managing my "white mother"
Why mention that she was white? It definitely screams "Hey Barack is black and his mom was white." What's the point? We all know she was white. Other than to point out his ability to manage white people because of his experience with his white mother, I don't see the point. And if THAT is the point, then it IS racist.

I don't like the article. I like it less every time I read it.

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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 11:47 PM
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37. Honey, I'm telling you, I *do* need a valium
and I think a lot of voters feel that way too. I get your point, Obama is anything but a downer, but heaven help us all, we need a cool hand right now and Obama sure is that.
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 09:56 PM
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80. Hear hear!
I got Sullivan's sentiment and I agree with it.
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 12:06 AM
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39. I take it more as he was saying that America needs a calming influence right now,
and that's Obama.

:D
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sohndrsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 07:00 PM
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91. You're right. I have a problem with the very first sentence, though, too:
One thing I find so refreshing is that there is nothing unnatural about Obama's calmness. He's authentic, comfortable and comfortable with his abilities and integrity, and he makes that brilliantly clear.

Saying his calm is unnatural doesn't fit at all. What is sad is that we could be so inured to insincere theatrical passion that we don't know normal when we see it? I LOVE normal.... we need normal. Direct - free of the manipulative games. Obama is the only one capable of actual "straight talk" as far as I can tell.

So other than those two sentences, it's a great article.
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:29 PM
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17. oh and the nasty things DUers said about him
in the past. I guess this makes up a little for it.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:11 AM
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45. Just because Sullivan has written a perceptive piece on Obama doesn't mean he is a "good guy".
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 09:41 PM
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78. If I Recall Correctly... He Once Was A Democrat... Then Switched To Something
else, Repuke perhaps. But I recall watching him AND Hitchins (Hitchens?) on C-Span a long time ago, and they sure talked like "socialists" to me. I enjoyed them way back when, but as time went by they really "sucked" and I just dismissed them.

Now, BOTH of them are supporting Obama. Weird! I KNOW Hitchins makes NO BONES about who and what he is, and he really ticks me off most of the time. However, he is an intelligent man even if he's an alcoholic! Many writers are alcoholics and gain great fame... I'm sure most of us can name quite a few, so I won't start a list.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 08:39 AM
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50. yeah we DUers tend NOT to like right wing pieces of shit such as
Bareback Andy. Imagine that. :eyes:
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 09:10 AM
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52. He deserved every one of those nasty things and more.
This is the guy who condemned alleged gay promiscuity in right wing venues every chance he got while seeking bareback sex online, and who warned in the aftermath of 9/11 that the decadent, treasonous left might mount a fifth column against America, and who cheered Bush's wars, back in the beginning, until his throat bled.

Just happening to support a Democrat for once does not absolve him of those things.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:33 PM
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18. Excellent read, recommended. It takes a smart guy to outfox the Clintons.
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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:34 PM
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19. It has some good bits, but I find it very insulting.
Besides saying that the last debate was last Thursday, and that the VP debate somehow occurred prior to the first Presidential debate (doesn't anyone proofread for him?)... he says that Obama "managed" his white mother, and paints him as manipulative and conniving throughout the article.

And he closes by calling Obama a valium. "They need a Valium. They can now vote for one for president." I'm not voting for a valium, I'm voting for someone who inspires me and gives me hope. Valium doesn't do that. Valium numbs you.

Yes, Obama is calm and in control. And, yes, that's exactly what we need right now. But I do not like the subtle way that Sullivan insults him.

No, I don't like this piece much.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:36 PM
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20. I agree (see my post above)
and I didn't "get" the white mother reference either.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 04:40 PM
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60. That "managed his white mother" rubs me wrong, too.
:\
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:36 PM
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21. Excellent commentary. eom
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StreetKnowledge Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:40 PM
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23. Can't say I disagree.
And now, what's better for all of us, is imagining how skilled this guy is going to be as President. :D If he's this slick and composed in an election campaign, imagine how well he's going to go as POTUS.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:45 PM
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24. I like the comment by the Irish guy
"I have no desire to live in a socialistic nation."
I am sick and tired of hearing Americans talking like this. Do any of them know what "socialistic" is?
It seems to me that many Americans would rather have Jesus and a rifle than a job, a sound ecomony and healthcare.

Peter, Dublin, Ireland
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crossroads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:46 PM
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25. Great read! Obama is charmed and so very clever! K&R
He will make an excellent president - one that we can be proud of! I can't wait for this election to be over so we can get that idiot * out of the WH! It's been soooo long since I felt any pride in a president!
CR
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 10:24 PM
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26. This comment to the article is priceless...
"It seems to me that many Americans would rather have Jesus and a rifle than a job, a sound economy and health care."

Isn't that the truth!
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 10:29 PM
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27. He had me until the middle of the third paragraph
Obama didn't purposely set out to cause Bill Clinton to implode, and that really didn't have much to do with why the Clintons lost black support. Once Obama won 2+ primaries, the shift was inevitable. Really, it wouldn't have mattered what Clinton did.
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 10:51 PM
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31. You are correct.
Edited on Sun Oct-12-08 10:53 PM by writes3000
Once the black community saw that Obama could win and started to really listen to his message, it was almost inevitable that they would flock to him.

Because Obama appeals to hope and emotion better than most other politicians.
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 10:44 PM
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30. I love it! "Rope-a-Dope"
Well Andrew, it's more like "Rope-Two-Dopes"
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volstork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 10:52 PM
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32. Thanks for the post
and for the link. Great piece!
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 11:06 PM
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34. Sullivan is a great writer. He should write a novel because that reads beautifully. nt
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 11:33 PM
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36. I hope the Clintons don't read this. :) nt
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trashcanistanista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 11:55 PM
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38. Sullivan nails it.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 12:10 AM
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40. Thank you. Excellent read.
I'm off to share it on my debate board.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 12:14 AM
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41. The article was very good but I had to go back and read the
line about him managing his mother a few times myself. Also, I don't know if Obama set out to make Bill Clinton say the weird stuff he did. I do know that my husband was totally behind Hillary until Bill made those comments.
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 12:20 AM
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42. Sulli's coming around
Arianna Huffington was once on the extreme-right, so was David Brock but over time, they realised how wrong they were and tried to set things right. Scott McClellan is going through the same process at the moment.

About this time last year, I said that I could see the germ of the same awakening in Sullivan's writing at the time. He's not there yet but he defends Obama and with Obama come Obama's ideas and ideals and slowly, gradually, Sullivan is starting to realise how humane and appealing those ideas are. It's a beautiful thing to watch.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 12:22 AM
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43. An undeserved reputation, at that.
It's true, Obama is very good at this.

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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 04:34 AM
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46. "They need a Valium.. they can now vote for one for President." Indeed ! K&R
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 07:36 AM
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48. "rope-a-dope" I been saying this since August
very good article. Obama shocked the Clinton/DLC/and DC media by "winning" the first primary (fundraising) and once he got in front she could get around him. THEN he rope-a-doped McCain in August leaving him, as even Kristol agrees now, flailing and tired.
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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 08:27 AM
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49. I bet Obama is consciously aware of the rope-a-dope analogy
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 08:51 AM
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51. Sullivan is using H20man's metaphors we've read here for months
Great article but Sullivan's economic philosophies are still the failed republican/libertarian
viewpoints that have been discredited. I think he did a good historical analysis of what
Obama has done so far.

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Stump Donating Member (808 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:19 AM
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53. Great piece...
K&R
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live love laugh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:26 PM
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54. "Rope a Dope"? Sports analogy? I find that racist in some ways.
Of all the parallels that could have been chosen, to choose sports and a black sports figure to explain Obama's style is at best, too easy, and at worst racist. Aren't there other examples besides ones already closely associated with blacks that would have served the same purpose?
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:28 PM
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55. Oh please. It's a boxing term and perfectly apt.
:eyes:
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 03:14 PM
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56. sullivan has some racial issues
some think he's recovering now, but i am not so sure.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 05:55 PM
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62. oiy.
:rofl:
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 08:56 PM
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72. Don't you think that's a little bit of a stretch?
You remind me of a poster here a few weeks ago who thought it was racist that someone said Obama "kept his cool" during the first debate. As if emotional detachment was common slur against minorities.

If you have to work that hard to see a connection to racism, it's not there.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 04:01 PM
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57. Great Article!
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 05:38 PM
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61. Brilliant piece. Valium, yeah. Mother's little helper. nt
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 06:03 PM
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63. I had a conversation with a reporter recently on this same topic
He said he was most impressed with Obama and how he stays calm. Because as soon as he gets mad, the image of an angry black man will just ruin his chances of winning.
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uberblonde Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 06:16 PM
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65. Yes, it's absolutely peachy...
That he successfully smeared the Clintons as racist! Wow, that's really something to admire!
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lucky leftie Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 08:49 PM
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71. Sullivan never misses a chance...
...to snipe at the Clintons. I guess he resents the fact that the Clintons win elections.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:37 PM
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82. Clinton Lost Her Primary To Obama So Your Point Is?
You and your friend up-thread can get a room but Obama kicked Hillary's ass and he is our candidate. Obama won that election. And your point is? Sully is pointing out the obvious. How is that resenting the Clinton's? FAIL. EPIC.
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lucky leftie Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:33 PM
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85. Awwww, that baby is adorable.
My point is, Sullivan hates the Clintons because he is a conservative republican; and republicans hate the Clintons because the Clintons beat them in elections. Period. I said nothing disparaging about Obama so get a grip.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 01:27 AM
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88. My Grip Is Fine
Yours, I am not sure. Thanks for playing.
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 06:20 PM
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66. K & R
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 07:32 PM
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70. Meh. Old news.
We've known for a long time now about Obama's imperturbability, and about McCain's erratic and temperamental demeanor. Sullivan is late with this observation, and is incorrectly crediting Obama's calm with causing the McCain flubs that were predestined.

Sully is constructing a narrative here just because it sounds good, and isn't providing brilliant insight.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 08:57 PM
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73. He really loathes the Clintons, doesn't he? I wonder what the deal is.
It ain't natural.
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lucky leftie Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 09:18 PM
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75. Yep.
Sullivan hates the Clintons because they whoop his party every time.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:56 PM
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84. Remember...Sully was always a Conservative and they ALL still HATE
the Clintons...they consider them "filthy vermin who defiled the WH." Just because Sully is intelligent enough to see the Repugs have ruined America doesn't mean he is isn't a conservative Repug. He's just trying to dig his way out of the hole he's in because he's smart enough to see that Chimperor has made a mess and chaos out of everthing he touches. He's a rat running from the sinking ship...
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lucky leftie Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:44 PM
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86. I know.
I find it strange to see Sullivan quoted on liberal blogs. Sullivan was a cheerleader for Bush and Co. and the fact that he has a crush on our nominee doesn't alter the fact that like so many others in the media, he was wrong about this administration.

And in reading his article, it occured to me that his admiration for Obama may have something to do with Obama's disparaging of Clinton and/or his touting the GOP as the "party of ideas."
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 06:25 PM
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89. Interesting point...adding "Caution" as to whether we believe these folks have "Turned"
or are just "Psyching us on the Left out..." Who knows? But, thanks much for your perspective on these "Repug Turn Coats" ...like rats jumping from "ship." What "ship" are they really jumping from. That "cheese" glimmers on their "foodie horizon" and whether it comes from Dems or Repugs doesn't much matter as long as they SURVIVE. :-( It truly is something to think about.
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lucky leftie Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 09:17 PM
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74. I just realized something.
Sullivan LOVES the fact that Obama dissed Bill Clinton and praised Saint Reagan. Could that explain Sully's crush on Obama? Sullivan HATES the Clinton's, possibly because they whoop his party in elections.

Whatever the case, Sullivan is a right-wing jackass and no friend to democrats, no matter how much he fawns on our current candidate.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 09:22 PM
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76. But at least...
he's better than Hitch
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lucky leftie Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 09:29 PM
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77. That's not saying much, though .
I haven't seen Hitch lately but the last time I did, he was completely out of touch with reality, defending the Iraq War.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 09:55 PM
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79. Outstanding, he nails it big time!
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EmeraldCityGrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:13 PM
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81. Andrew@theatlantic.com
I emailed him this weekend to let him know how much I appreciate his thoughts.
Wish he had a discussion forum on his website.

Lovely man.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:53 PM
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83. Where's H20Man....he would love this post from Sully. It's what he was
telling us about Obama long ago.

It's a little OTT for me...not being a boxing fan...but it does make much sense.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 06:47 PM
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90. Kick!
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