Will alleged "fraudulent" ACORN voter registrations be the fulcrum for massive R "recount" efforts in close states next month?

[ProgressiveEconomist]

Will alleged "fraudulent" ACORN voter registrations be the fulcrum for massive R "recount" efforts i...

R "recount" efforts in close states next month?

If "Voter ID" doesn't work as planned to throw the Presidential election to McCain, will Jim Baker and other members of the Y2K Dream Team go into the courts again this year?

I can envision statewide challenges in places like Ohio to delay certification of Obama's victory and at the least undermine his mandate for change corporate interests don't like. Can you?

WHAT'S YOUR OPIONION of stories like this one?

From http://voices.washingtonpost.com/washingtonpostinvestigations/2008/10/acorn_says_raids_timing_are_cu.html :

"ACORN Voting Drives Come Under Scrutiny

POSTED: 02:47 PM ET, 10/13/2008 by Derek Kravitz

State and federal investigators are questioning the validity of some voting drives performed by the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN, the group whose registration tactics are largely aimed at low-income citizens. Such voting drives tend to favor Democratic candidates, according to an Associated Press analysis of voting data.

ACORN, which claims to have registered 1.3 million people nationwide since 2007, says that any fraudulent voting registrations have more to do with canvassers making up fake applications to get better commissions than a concerted effort to influence the outcome of the election. Last Tuesday, Nevada authorities seized records from the group's Las Vegas offices, saying they submitted fake voter-registration forms, including applications purportedly from the starting lineup of the Dallas Cowboys.

Two Nevada state agencies had started the probe in July after complaints over voter registration practices, potential voter fraud and enforcement of laws regarding voter intimidation. Voter drives conducted by ACORN in several other places, including the bellwether state of Missouri, are under scrutiny by local elections officials for the accuracy of cards gathered by its workers. Sen. John McCain's (R-Ariz.) campaign has criticized the group, questioned the organizations' ties to his opponent, Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), and chants of "No More ACORN" can be heard at some of the Republican senator's rallies. ...

Appearing on Fox News's "On The Record With Greta Van Susteren" for an exclusive interview, ACORN'S national spokesman, Scott Levenson, called the timing of the investigations "curious." "What ACORN did, along with Project Vote, is as American as apple pie," Levenson said. "What we're doing is out there encouraging people to participate in the process. That work should be applauded.""

[villager]

1. See the picture of McCain at an ACORN rally, posted earlier today?

It's making the rounds...

Turns out, he was a big supporter of theirs, until recently...

[ChiciB1]

5. I Saw It And Emailed It Around To Friends! n/t

[ProgressiveEconomist]

17. That was 2006. Now, Palin is saying, we can't let 'leftist groups ... steal this election'!

See http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7440651 for a link to politico.com

[WinkyDink]

2. Let them recount. Till Doomsday. Watch their loss % INCREASE.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

9. Even where the Presidential race is not close, downticket races may be. And

the Rs may be desperate to keep Democratic majorities in the Senate and the House from becoming overwhleming. This is a very perilous time for the deep-pocketed corporate interests Republicans represent.

[Xipe Totec]

3. If there are ANY close states n/t

[endarkenment]

4. I expect they are going to pull some sort of stunt to this effect.

They will do what Kerry wouldn't: push challenges through the courts across the country, even where a clear winner has been declared. They've had most of the last 30 years to push their judges into place. If the election is at all close this could get very ugly.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

6. What galls me most is the MSM's abject failure to cover the basic FACTS. DU is the only place

I've seen this information about the rules under which voter registration drives must be conducted:

From http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4207271 :

"Fact: ACORN has implemented the most sophisticated quality-control system in the voter engagement field, but in almost every state we are required to turn in ALL completed applications, even the ones we know to be problematic.

Fact: ACORN flags incomplete, problem, or suspicious cards when we turn them in, but these warnings are often ignored by election officials. Often these same officials then come back weeks or months later and accuse us of deliberately turning in phony cards."

[Medusa]

18. They are up to something that's for sure

and it ain't good.

[SoonerPride]

7. What did they say after 2000? Shut up and deal with it?

Or something like that?

And that WAS a solen election.

The wrong wing can fuck off and die.

Love it or leave it, as I love to say right in their stupid fucking faces.

[rainy]

8. What can they actually recount now that all our votes disappear into a black

box that will continue to spit out the same results with no paper trail? They can check names but that is already done before the vote can be cast.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

11. I can envision efforts to toss out votes from whole precincts where hundreds of new voters

where hundreds of new voters were registered by ACORN.

[rainy]

12. It would never fly unless they can prove that those votes are ill-legitimate.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

15. I hope you are right; but I suspect with Republican judges even this hypothetical is possible

[stillcool]

20. Half the country now votes..

with paper, which is why I think they're trying to cast doubt on registrations, although I don't see how that translates to votes.

http://www.verifiedvoting.org/verifier/

[ProgressiveEconomist]

21. See post #11 above. Individual votes can only be deterred before and on Election Day. Afterwards,

the Rs would have to seek to remove whole precincts from certified vote totals due to alleged "fraud" by ACORN.

[stillcool]

22. Those voters need to be challenged..

at the polls, no? Otherwise how would they know whose votes they're tossing out?

[mtnester]

10. Well, they can go just as far as the Dem recount was allowed to go

(of which I was part of mind you)

So this should be a non-issue

[Ozma]

13. I am willing to bet that on a national level there are

Less than 10,000 fraudulent registrations, most of which are just scattered in various counties, maybe 100-300 to a county in any one area. They are surely less than 1/2 of one percent in any urban area.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

14. How many cases of voter impersonation were there? Yet "Voter ID" saiiled through

through state and federal courts, and through the USSC.

There is no national "cost-benefit" standard for assessing election administration policies--YET.

IMO, sensible national election standards belong HIGH on the agenda of an Obama Administration and filibuster-proof Senate.

[Ozma]

16. I know of NONE! N/T

In a nation of 300,000,000, 130,000,000 registered voters, if we had 30,000, it would STILL be statistically insignificant number!!

0.000005%

[ProgressiveEconomist]

19. Former Sen John Danforth (R-MO) apparently is official ACORN hatchetman for McCain

In a press conference at the National Press Club this morning (Oct 14th), Danforth called for ACORN to turn over its entire database to states, so that ovters registered by ACORN can be IDENTIFIED.

IMO, "if you build it, they will come". If ACORN's databases get turned over to Republican Secretaries of State in close states, mischief will ensue on Election Day and after. For example, entire precincts where ACORN registered hundreds of new voters may be singled out by the GOP for early closure, special illegal "ballot security" ID requirements, selective disfranchisement, or removal from certified vote totals.

Why else would the McCain campaign have created a "McCain-Palin 2008 Honest and Open Election Committee"?

See http://www.press.org/article.cfm?id=229 and the stories that will flow later today from this National Press Club event.