ABC scrolling Bush 13 point lead, come on Kerry people

[candy331]

hit these assholes with some reality, if the race is so close where the hell could that jump come from, have all undecideds and 1/2 Dems went to Bush, what a crock. Are we just suppose to be stupid and accept anything the media has to a whelm to print. The media in this country has got to e dealt with just as Dean said.

[Skittles]

1. I simply do not, cannot believe this stuff

there is no way the American people are that f***ing stupid. ARE THEY???

[sandraj]

6. it's unbelievable

A one-hour speech by Bush last week cancels out the last 3+ years? Something must be missing there. Kerry and Bush are probably running a close race (and I base that on personal, anecdotal kinds of things - so it's just my opinion), but I have a hard time believing Bush is this far ahead. But then again, there's that 9/11 factor. They've played the terror/security card very well.

People who are supporting Bush should start asking themselves things like: "Am I better off than I was in 2000?" "Do I enjoy living with constant terror warnings?" "Do I feel confident about my future?" etc. The terror issue, which is a red herring in this campaign imo, needs to be taken off the table somehow in order to start addressing other issues. Bush's perceived strong leadership skills constitute a phony image - it's undeserved. He didn't earn this on his own merit.

[Moochy]

25. No doubt.

How can a survey of 926 likely voters be representative of a national trend? And how pray tell can that same sample be +/- four points for the margin of error?

They take us for sheep.

Thats how.

Moochy

[skippysmom]

13. Sad to say.

I think they are indeed that fucking stupid.

[skooooo]

2. How exactly do we do that?

suggestions?

:shrug:

[candy331]

3. Sunday morning shows is a start any Dem on, challenge network

to provide facts to support claim.

[wurzel]

4. Ask the Media why they always believe the Media!

I have emailed everyone on about this trash. The "poll" was a clear fake. But then we've got that fool Stephanoupolis talking about "Democratic panic".

[OneTwentyoNine]

16. Screw Stephanoupolis....

When the hell is he going to be a speaker at a Republican Convention??

David

[wurzel]

26. I agree. But he is up there as a "Democrat".

[DemDemDemko]

5. We all know

how manipulative the media can be.

[rfranklin]

7. The poll was actually among likely Republican voters...

among all voters the numbers are 70% for Kerry, 30% for Bush according to sources in the Republican party who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

[Selwynn]

29. riiiiiiight

[Nimrod]

8. I never trust polls

I honestly don't think they're worth the paper they're printed on. There's no way in hell that the administration was going to let their boy come out of the Republican National Circlejerk without a bump.

There's so many different ways to rig polls that I just don't pay any attention to them anymore.

[onethatcares]

9. no one ever calls me,

I wonder why?

[malletgirl02]

10. personally

I think America deserves Bush, and all the repercussions if he wins. There has been plenty of information out there showing how bad of a President he is. How can he get away with all of the crap he did. If Clinton did 25% of the crap Bush did, he and a good number of his advisers would have been executed by know. So what is up with that?:shrug:

[sendero]

21. If it weren't for Supreme Court appointments...

... I'd just as soon that DumbYa win another term. By the time his four years were up he'd have killed the Rep party for at least 20 years.

[The Zanti Regent]

11. I'm afraid it's true

I'm a federal civil servant and it scares me to see over half of my office supporting Bush because of his opposition to gay marraige and his "masterful" handling of Iraq. They are scared to death of Muslim terrorists. Meanwhile, President Asshole is contracting their jobs out, but they don't care. They're brainwashed by TV Preachers...

[LibDemAlways]

12. C-span also hyped the "double digit"

chimp lead this am and questioned callers on whether Kerry needs to "re-think" his campaign. I only listened to a few callers - too goddamn many nutcases - but no one questioned the numbers. The repukes have them out there as gospel truth.

By the way, one idiot went on and on about how physically fit the chimp is and how Kerry always looks "tired." I wanted to throw a brick through the tv.

[GoldenOldie]

17. Trust the poll numbers???

Why would anyone trust any of these poll numbers, we already know that we are not getting factual info from our illustrious media. How many of these Rovian poll numbers do you think it will take to throw doubt into those that hesitate to vote because they feel that their vote doesn't matter. It is another way to keep voters from the voting booths. Electronic voting machines, invalid polling numbers, every little bit helps!

[LibDemAlways]

24. We know these numbers are

made up, but America doesn't. They were manufactured and are being heavily publicized for two reasons - to give the chimp momentum he didn't earn and to demoralize the Dems.

Also, people don't seem to stop and think that a US Presidential election is actually 50 state elections - 51 counting DC. And you are right, these numbers are designed to keep Kerry's "swing state" voters home. The chimp can't win if everyone who hates how he's screwed them actually votes.

[SOS]

30. "Double digit".....

Okay junta media, here's a question for you:

In 2000 there were 103 million votes cast. Roughly 1% = one million voters.
Bush lost by 500,000 votes.

13% would be about 13 million voters.

Where did Bush pick up 13 million votes?!

Gore voters? Military families? Arab-Americans? Senior citizens? The unemployed? The struggling middle class?

Who are these millions of Bush converts? The question can't be answered because they don't exist.

[OneTwentyoNine]

14. BS,I'm seeing Kerry/Edwards yard signs all over the place...

This is in Repuke locked Wichita,hell the signs are everywhere. I might buy into a slight lead by Chimp because of a Repuke convention bounce(which will evaporate quickly) but double digits?!?! Bullshit....

David

[annabanana]

27. .what kind of voting machines do you have in your county?

[Tom_Foolery]

15. These polls are a bunch of shit...

my wife works with the public and comes in contact with a lot of "real" people, especially ones who you'd expect to vote for Bush. She always makes a point to get them to talk about the campaign. She hasn't had a single person express support for Bush. When she gets them going, they call him every name in the book.

[liberalcanuck]

23. Thank you! These polls are a bunch of b.s. and we need to just keep

our nose to the groundstone. These polls don't take into account all the new voters being registered so let's not panic!

[zanana]

18. Check out the Zogby poll numbers.

The latest Zogby poll results, at http://www.pollingreport.com/ show only a three-point lead for Bush. Time and Newsweek seem to be the only ones reporting an 11 or 13-point lead.

[OneTwentyoNine]

19. Would anyone believe a 13 point lead for Kerry??

I wouldn't even if FOX scrolled the shit 24/7. I can believe a slight lead going either way or a dead heat...but 13 fucking points??

Not a chance....


David

[underpants]

20. No

There is no 11-13 point lead out there to have, at least not in those who respond to poll calls.

As with KErry's BOUNCE a week after the Dem convention we will find out the real numbers at the beginning of NEXT week after people get back from vacations and such.

[vetwife]

22. Brought to you by the same people who said iraq had WMD's

Yeah right !

[althecat]

28. What this could be about.... a couple of theories....

Well in fact two theories...

What if these poll results are all about softening the media psyche up for stealing the election...

Lets assume for arguments sake that the results are due to bad sampling and (deliberate) error.... The headlines get published but the retractions as the methods get improved get buried...

THEORY ONE:

if you are going to steal an election using voting machines in a media environment in which you do not control all the polls you can only seek to do one thing. Undermine the credibility of all polling.... this tactic achieves that.

THEORY TWO

If you have

1. an expected (planned) outcome for the final result of a near dead heat which you narrowly win.
2. a group of important managed polls that you are able to manipulate but not completely control, and
3. If you expect your candidate - who is a goofball liability - to keep shedding vote down the line

Then what you want in the polls three months out like right now is a nice big bounce so that when he sheds a point a week for the next 12 weeks your poll result still lines up with your final result and it all looks vaguely realistic.

[Dem_Loyalist]

31. as long as they have their beer

reality shows and TV dinners I think people will believe anything the media tells them.

[goclark]

32. That's because the fix is in!

If you remember during the convention all the protesters marched and kicked Fox and sll of the media in the butt.

They didn't say anything much during the convention about the protesters,they just didn't show them more than 50 seconds.
CSPAN did show them for 4 hours but Rove has now told them to bend over.

If you remember, Chris Matthews and Scarebourough even got nice DURING the convention. But all of a sudden,ALL the media changed and even MSNBC has gone negative against us.

IMO Rove said, play nice to them during our convention. Make the undecided believe that Mefia is fair and balanced. Then, immediately after, come out with the bounce polls and stick that image in the minds of the American people.

It is a slick trick! People will return to work after Labor day saying, Bush is up 16 %!

When the other poll quietly are mumbled in the middle of next week, no one will be listening because they only heard the bonce.

When ever Kerry or the talking heads get an ounce of media time, they must tell about the BOUNCE LIE first. That is the only way that we can combate them.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

33. The corporate media is shilling for Bush today, and will continue.

Get used to it. We will win at the ballot box, not on the media.

[zulchzulu]

34. It's OK. The lead will be even next week in Time/Newsweek poll

Then the spin will be "what happened to Bush's lead?"

Giving Repugs overconfidence is a perfect trap.