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kswheels Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 02:13 PM
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Muslims for McCain shut down intolerant asshole
Edited on Mon Oct-20-08 02:23 PM by kswheels
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl2EndLZv7w Simply awesome

Update: McCain wouldn't give the campaign worker permission to talk to CNN's Rick Sanchez.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 02:15 PM
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1. I saw it on CNN, it was awesome. Still, one question is plaguing me
Why are there Muslim McCain supporters?? :wow: :banghead:
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 02:19 PM
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4. Because Muslims are very conservative.
They were a huge part of Bush's support in 2000 and only began to shift to the Democrats after 9/11 and the anti-Muslim hate in the Republican Party. But prior to that, they were a core group of supporters.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 02:25 PM
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15. I understand that but
For MONTHS now the Republicans have engaged in the worst sort of whisper campaign smearing about Obama being a ZOMGMUSLIN!!1!1 Have they not noticed this? Have none of them gotten one of those emails?
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 02:30 PM
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17. I'm sure many have.
However, ideology often trumps that.
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kswheels Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 02:20 PM
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5. Who knows...
Same reason poor people do. Same reason disabled people who would benefit from universal health care do....
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 02:20 PM
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6. See #3 below.
I've been wondering the same thing. I think some Muslims hate gays enough to vote for someone who hates Muslims and gays instead of someone who doesn't hate.
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 02:22 PM
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10. folks can be conservative without accepting the neocon stuff or even the "social" conservative stuff
and i think it's suspicious that all of the republican muslims happened to show up at the same virginia rally along with a muslim mccain official... all on camera... to denounce two unenthusiastic muslim haters.
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 02:44 PM
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22. Coincidentally enough, I just got off the phone w/ a conservative Muslim friend
Ali is Iraqi born, but has spent most of his adult life as an American citizen. I think he's about my age - mid to late 40's. We used to work for the same high-tech company. He still calls me up occasionally to talk politics, and get my liberal perspective. :D

I got him to break down for me his big 3 issues.

1) Economy. He doesn't know which way to lean on this. He believes that the US is 'wounded', but not dead, and is afraid that Obama is going to treat it as 'dead', and start over again from the ground up. I think he still has some deep-seated conservative feelings that keep him from voting Democratic simply on perceived principle.

2) Iraq. He doesn't like Biden's proposals to split Iraq into 3 provinces/territories at all! He feels that McCain will get the troops out of Iraq in a more orderly fashion.

3) Israel/Palestine. He gave me credit for opening his eyes on Obama's position on this vs. McCain. I don't actually remember doing that, but I'll take the credit anyway.

Bottom line: 1 issue McCain. 1 issue Obama. 1 issue Undecided. His conclusion? He's voting for Nader. For someone who a year ago was supporting McCain, I'll call this a win. :thumbsup:
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 03:12 PM
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35. you need to wake your friend up on iraq
first of all, biden's old statements are irrelevant. 100% irrelevant.

secondly, mccain's position counters what the iraqi's want.

he can talk tough all he wants about 'victory' but the issue is our OCCUPATION of iraq and THEY want us out of there on a timetable. they also want US soldiers to be liable for their actions... in iraq.

mccain is stuck in 2007 and your friend is as well.

violence is down. the iraqi government is stable. the iraqi military has stood up to shiites and sunnis.

it's time to withdraw... and they want us to withdraw.

whatever happens... we're still going to be an ally and we're still going to fight al qaeda in iraq.
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 02:17 PM
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2. glad it happened, but notice it took a muslim?
all those mccain supporters just walked right on by until a muslim woman confronted the nut-job. only then did others speak up.

still says alot about people at mccain rallys.

im sorry, if someone was making a bigot claim about mccain anywhere near me id shut that shit down in a heart beat.

bigotry should not and will not be tolerated in any presidential race.
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 02:51 PM
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27. Notice it took a CAMERA filming the racist bumper-sticker guy for the McCain campaign to
care about it. And they took the time to round up a Muslim campaign worker to go talk to the guy. They'd have HAPPILY let him stay there all day passing out his garbage if they didn't think it would be caught on film.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 02:18 PM
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3. Sweet.
Though one wonders what those Muslims are thinking. A woman in a hijab (on the street interview) in my newspaper said she was voting for McCain on social issues.
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 02:20 PM
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7. i consider this staged
Edited on Mon Oct-20-08 02:21 PM by Essene
I think it is a good thing, but i think it's staged.

- the protest involves 2 people who dont seem very passionate about their cause
- the cameraman is apparently nonwhite and confused as a muslim for some reason
- a muslim mccain official happens to show up ready to denounce the 2 people
- several other muslim mccain supports happen to show up

Now, perhaps i sound like a jerk saying this... but i dont think there are that many muslim-americans supporting Mccain and i dont think it's a coincidence that almost all of them showed up at the same rally in virginia on camera trying to denounce hatred and to defend the constitution.

I'd wager all of those muslim mccain fans were friends of this GOP official and planned this.

Perhaps the 2 jerks were not part of it, but... this was no accident.
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 02:23 PM
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11. yeah, its odd there was a campaign representive so close by
and its odd that the bigot gave up so fast and ran away.

most of time these dumbshits stay no matter how heated something gets cause they dont care what others think

seems fishy to me too


regardless, if its the real deal, its sad it took a muslim person to confront him. says alot about the others in the crowd.
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 02:25 PM
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14. what's REALLY sad is...
here's a muslim mccain official... having to use these kinds of silly ploys to stage a youtube reaction to the perception of the mccain crowd and campaign.

the more i think about it, the more i am 100% convinced this is staged.

the 2 unenthusiastic muslim haters... all 2 of them... concede the point and leave the mccain rally? COME ON.

this is bogus and i hope somebody in the media digs into it and proves it.
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 02:31 PM
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18. i think anybodys whos dealt with those type of people
Edited on Mon Oct-20-08 02:32 PM by iamthebandfanman
know that they dont 'cut and run' so to speak all that easily.

to much hatred and anger in the things they say and believe to be that willing to give up.

i find it odd there were only 2 of them as well.

and also i find it weird how CNN got it and it only has less than 300 views.
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 02:40 PM
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20. exactly. also watch it again and notice this...
Edited on Mon Oct-20-08 02:42 PM by Essene
at the start, the muslim official is standing right next to the wacko. he never says anything until after the girl does her thing.

you dont see his face, but you can see his shirt and his pin.

also, the 4-5 "muslim voters" are clearly together as a group... which by itself isnt a big deal, but i dont really buy into their anger at all.

they make it into "you are losing us vote" rather than "you are just wrong."

i am calling bs.




one final point...

"are you turkish?"
"no, im kurdish."

OH COME ON :rofl:
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 02:36 PM
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19. I'd be interested to know if this clip
is turning up on RW blogs?

If so then the McCain campaign maybe trying to clean up their act. If not it could be "narrowcasting" used to appeal to moderates.
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 02:46 PM
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23. Totally staged! 6 muslims show up at a McCain rally all at one time saying they support McCain?
Not buying it.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 04:04 PM
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43. Things that make you go "hmmm"
Edited on Mon Oct-20-08 04:04 PM by DesertedRose
Probably as authentic as Joe the Plant....I mean Plumber :eyes:
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CatsDogsBabies Donating Member (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 02:54 PM
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29. I think it was staged too. It makes McCain's campaign look good.
Kicking out the bigots. Official member of McCain's campaign who is also Muslim making the point that McCain's campaign isn't about bogotry, etc. The campaign needs to counter its anit-Islamic tendencies so it doesn't drive away people who may want to vote for McCain.
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 03:00 PM
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31. It's a nice message.. but it's insincere given their current fear and hate mongering
it's just absurd.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 03:20 PM
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37. I don't think it makes the campaign look "good" or "bad"

Since it still focuses attention on "the kind of people the campaign attracts".

Any effort to dial back the hate is good for everyone - even if staged.
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 03:23 PM
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38. it conveys a myth that the campaign is fighting off the tiny fringe...
and stands for tolerance, unity and morality.

(lol)
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 03:32 PM
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40. It conveys a bunch of things, and there is more than one way to look at it

But if the nutbags get the message their views are not welcome, that's fine.

That the campaign still attracts this "fringe" is one of several competing messages here.

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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 03:51 PM
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41. it certainly is cognitive dissonance, but the divisive hate mongering is the stronger message
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 03:51 PM
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42. Upon second thought I definitely think it was staged and if it was
the participants are probably Chaldean Christians (Iraqi Christians) who are very conservative politically and support McCain.


That all of these different actors would meet up at the same time and the same place by coincidence is not credible in the least.

Good catch Essene

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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 02:21 PM
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8. k & r
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kswheels Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 02:22 PM
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9. Okay, forgive me...
What is K&R?
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 02:23 PM
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12. kick (bump) and recommend
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kswheels Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 02:24 PM
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13. Ah...
I'd figured out the R.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 02:28 PM
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16. This seems a little strange to me...
Where have these outspoken muslim republicans been for the last 7 years?

And surely this is going to confuse the Republican base...I wonder what they make of this over at freerepublic?

(Although I have admit that it's a good thing...maybe Powell's remarks had an effect).
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 02:47 PM
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25. apparently they were all hiding in virginia and waiting for colin powell to speak?
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 02:44 PM
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21. Muslims for McCain? I've heard it all now.
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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 02:47 PM
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24. Exactly. If being a Muslim is so bad in the repukes' view
why is there even such a group????
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 02:50 PM
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26. Now I'm really confused. If there is an organization called
"Muslims for McCain," how can the wingnuts use "he's a Muslim" against Obama? They must hide this group in a storage locker somewhere.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 02:53 PM
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28. They call Obama a Muslim as if Muslims are their enemy. I don't get it.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 03:03 PM
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32. Wait, wait - I just had an epiphany. They call Obama a Muslin, not a Muslim.
Be afraid of the fabric.:rofl:
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 02:55 PM
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30. Dan Zubairi is that mccain campaign guy's name...
http://www.choosedan.com/



Good luck finding ONE single time where this guy has every stated he is muslim before this. I cant find it.

Although it does sound like he's a media-craved drama queen.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 03:09 PM
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33. Another KICK! n/t
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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 03:11 PM
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34. "Are you deliberately trying to lose us this election?"
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 03:14 PM
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36. yes, when confronted with raw hate... that's their reaction *LOL*
cuz you know... that's how minorities tend to react in situations like this, to rise above the immorality and to merely focus on the political pragmatism of rallying together in their support of mccain.

:rofl:

likewise, the hate mongers usually just pack up and run away.

that's so realistic.
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RepublicanElephant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 03:29 PM
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39. i'm still trying to figure out log cabin republicans. nt
:shrug:
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BestCenter Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 07:49 PM
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44. They're rich.
end of story
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