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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 03:05 PM
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A good read - hints of things to come from Robert Reich?
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/11/09/the_mini_depression_and_the_ma/

"This is not the Great Depression of the 1930s, but nor is it turning out to be merely a bad recession of the kind we've experienced periodically over the last half century. Call it a Mini Depression. The employment report last Friday shows job losses accelerating, along with the number of Americans working part time who'd rather be and need to be working full time. Retail sales have fallen off a cliff. Stock prices continue to drop. General Motors is on the brink of bankruptcy. The rate of home foreclosures is mounting.

When Barack Obama takes office in January, he will inherit a mess. What to do? (Because I'm an informal economic adviser, I should warn anyone who reads this that it reflects only my thoughts and therefore should not be attributed to him or to anyone else advising him.)

First, understand that the main problem right now is not the supply of credit. Yes, Wall Street is paralyzed at the moment because the bursting of the housing and other asset bubbles means that lenders are fearful that creditors won't repay loans. But even if credit were flowing, those loans wouldn't save jobs. Businesses want to borrow now only to remain solvent and keep their creditors at bay. If they fail to do so, and creditors push them into reorganization under bankruptcy, they'll cut their payrolls, to be sure. But they're already cutting their payrolls. It's far from clear they'd cut more jobs under bankruptcy reorganization than they're already cutting under pressure to avoid bankruptcy and remain solvent.

This means bailing out Wall Street or the auto industry or the insurance industry or the housing industry may at most help satisfy creditors for a time and put off the day of reckoning, but industry bailouts won't reverse the downward cycle of job losses.

The real problem is on the demand side of the economy.

Consumers won't or can't borrow because they're at the end of their ropes. Their incomes are dropping (one of the most sobering statistics in Friday's jobs report was the continued erosion of real median earnings), they're deeply in debt, and they're afraid of losing their jobs.

Introductory economic courses explain that aggregate demand is made up of four things, expressed as C+I+G+exports. C is consumers. Consumers are cutting back on everything other than necessities. Because their spending accounts for 70 percent of the nation's economic activity and is the flywheel for the rest of the economy, the precipitous drop in consumer spending is causing the rest of the economy to shut down.

I is investment. Absent consumer spending, businesses are not going to invest.

Exports won't help much because the of the rest of the world is sliding into deep recession, too. (And as foreigners -- as well as Americans -- put their savings in dollars for safe keeping, the value of the dollar will likely continue to rise relative to other currencies. That, in turn, makes everything we might sell to the rest of the world more expensive.)

That leaves G, which, of course, is government. Government is the spender of last resort. Government spending lifted America out of the Great Depression. It may be the only instrument we have for lifting America out of the Mini Depression. Even Fed Chair Ben Bernanke is now calling for a sizable government stimulus. He knows that monetary policy won't work if there's inadequate demand."

Much more at the link...
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 03:11 PM
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1. Government spending certainly lifted Hallibruton stock up
It was like below $ 7 a share on Sept 10th 2001.

And probably soemwhere in the thirties per share currently.

The government just needs to see that the programs it insists on are ones that the average American can benefit from. Teachers in my County got lay off slips over the summer. And fire districts have cut back on everyone's hours - even though until last week, the entire state of Calif. was primed to burn down.

The nation as a whole needs re-building. Schools, roads, bridges, and let's fund the high speed rail system that Californians voted on. It would offer a possibility for greener transportation as well.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 03:25 PM
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2. What if they turned 'stimulus' on its head ?
Edited on Sun Nov-09-08 03:26 PM by Trajan
What if they avoided simply pumping money into banks and stuff, and disbursed the monies instead to companies to boost wages ?

What if the money went to the bottom, and business 'earned it' ?

I am all for using some building program for infrastructure, since the GOP seemed to hate developing it but always used it .... I am also for protecting auto manufacturing as they retool ...

But I am of the mind that PEOPLE need that money to spend, and the 'marketplace' will recover it's viability through the increased sales activity ....

Just a thought ....
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-08 06:49 PM
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3. We could return to the system of
work that Mr. Kellogg (of cereal fame) used after WW2...his workers worked 6 hours/day. No meal breaks...he figured the employees would prefer to eat with their friends and family. He wanted his workers to be CITIZENS...read, have hobbies, help out at the schools, etc.

I think this is a great idea. Instead of laying off a bunch, why not have everyone share the pain?

Why these stupid economists ever thought that Growth could continue forever is beyond me...it's like saying there is no such thing as gravity. The debt MUST unwind.

There are plenty of problems that people could work on: light rail, bridges, wind power, solar power, insulating homes and apartment buildings, water and sewer lines, tutoring students, etc.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 12:45 AM
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4. When we get tired of insulating homes and apartments, I know a few
Economists we could insulate.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 12:51 AM
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5. My favorite economist.
I HOPE that Obama is listening to him.
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Marsala Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 04:23 AM
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6. Krugman is saying the same thing
We need to err on the side of excess. Really go and stimulate the hell out of the economy.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 04:31 AM
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7. Who says this is a "mini" Depression? In the 1930's, we could pretty much control our own economy
and so could other nations. We've gone way beyond that now. The global aspects of this Depression are going to make it harder to resolve, not easier. By calling this a "mini" Depression, Reich is unintentionally minimizing the difficulties. That is no favor to an Obama administration.
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Antennas Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 04:36 AM
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8. Man, I love Reich.
I just finished reading "Supercapitalism" too. Great book.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 07:59 AM
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9. He was saying the same things during the Clinton years (though his ideas were not implemented).
I'm not saying they are bad ideas, but it's not like the current economic situation was what caused him to propose massive Government spending.
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