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mbali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 11:25 AM
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GOOD LORD! WaPo reporter demanding that CBS reveal its source
for the documents!!!

Amazing...

What kind of journalist is he? Did he demand that Novak reveal HIS source?

This is unbelievable.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 11:27 AM
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1. why doesn't Bush just prove he served
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:00 PM
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11. He can't!
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 11:27 AM
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2. What is their name? Also, the Whorington Post is....
the Moonie Times II!
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 11:27 AM
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3. This is good ....
I hope they do show where they got them: Smack in the middle of the Department of Defense ...
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 11:31 AM
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4. Washington Post Ombudsman info: 1 (202) 334 - 7582
Edited on Fri Sep-10-04 11:34 AM by calimary
M-F 7a - 6p eastern time

email: ombudsman@washpost.com

Ask WHY the reporter isn't ALSO trying to get answers to the questions raised in this report. Seems to me they're forgetting one REALLY BIG part of the story...

Remind them that this PROVES their bias toward bush.

on edit - aw POO - that "target blank" stuff keeps coming up. The correct email is in the second half of that email line, starting with the fully-spelled word "ombudsman", immediately after the little > symbol. Had this problem come up before and didn't know how to remedy it then, either.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 11:55 AM
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8. I just called him.
I've sick of this shit. I'm not going down without a fight.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 11:32 AM
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5. Only after Woodward and Bernstein reveal
who is Deep Throat.......
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jackstraw45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 11:34 AM
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6. Okay, then NOVAKULA has to reveal HIS source!
Oh the hypocrisy!
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 11:51 AM
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7. Let Dan Rather Know He Has Support
evening@cbsnews.com
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Scorpious_Maximus Donating Member (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:48 PM
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23. Done n/t
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Frodo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 11:58 AM
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9. As soon as we determine that they ARE forgeries.
Everyone here will be YELLING for CBS to reveal it's source, because the assumption will now be that it came from the Bush/Rove campaign and will want to make the link.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:00 PM
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10. Hey Wa Po....who was deep throat?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:17 PM
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:21 PM
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13. And you are an expert
on documents, I take it?
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:24 PM
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14. document expert AND legal expert, perhaps?
Edited on Fri Sep-10-04 12:25 PM by spooky3
And expert on ethics, presumably. Why it is a greater obligation to protect someone who has harmed a whistle-blower (as in the Plame case) than to protect someone who IS a whistle-blower (as in the TANG documents) acting in the public interest, is beyond me.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:34 PM
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20. yes, that Novak spin twists the spirit of whistleblower protection
beyond the pale--we protect whistleblowers from powerful entities which are harming the public interest. Novak is using his press ID to protect a wrondoer in power from the public interest. It's exactly the opposite of what reporters need to protect sources for.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:34 PM
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21. Exactly!
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:45 PM
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22. not forgeries
but thanks for playing
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RichardRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:52 PM
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26. You know, I'm starting to think you might be from someplace else
I've seen your posts in several threads on this topic. In each of them you simply state that the memo's are forgeries. You make no arugment, you link to no research, you just make the bald statement.

Are you certain you didn't wander off the ranch?

Richard Ray - Jackson Hole, WY
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slojim240 Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:27 PM
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15. In a court, a live witness usually accompanies questionable documents.
I believe that Rather said they have several eye witnesses to verify the documents and Killians feelings and actions concerning Bush.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:31 PM
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18. An excellent point--some sort of authentication would be required in a
court of law. That means someone who was privy to its creation and its reflectiveness of what the alleged author thought at the time.

Someone was in possession of these--and it wasn't some Democratic flunky either. Someone very close to the late Col. was able to vouch for these docs and their authenticity. Like a secretary/typist.
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:29 PM
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16. Another point the WP reporter was missing
He said that even though there were IBM models that could do superscript, etc. back then, the TANG didn't have any of those (how the hell can he find that out so quickly?).

However, who says these memos were typed at Killian's office? In fact, I imagine that he typed these at home or somewhere else and stashed them in a personal file somewhere.

These are not official memos meant to be sent up the line. This is something he typed up so that if the shit hit the fan about it later he'd be able to cover himself. He didn't want this coming back at him down the road.

You don't type a memo like that at the office.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:32 PM
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19. Anyone who used a Selectric can tell you how to do superscripts or
subscripts. You just held the platen with your left hand, then turned it slightly up or down, and typed in the character, then released the platen to its original position.

It was not done electronically. It was done manually. Ask any clerk in a law office, or any graduate student from back then, as they had plenty of footnotes to type.
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mbali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 02:13 PM
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27. Or, has it occurred to anyone that Killian HIMSELF typed them long after
the fact.

People often do that (especially men who can't type very well - which wouldn't have been so unusual back then) - hand write a memo to a file, and then later (sometimes much later) either type it up or have someone else type it.

We'll likely never know what actually happened with these memos since, if they could be proven to be forgeries, Bush et al along with the lapdog press would have done it by now. But the right wing/media combo operation has done a great job muddying the waters and ensuring that, whenever these memos are mentioned, the terms "so-called" "allegedly" "ostensibly" will be attached as modifiers.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:29 PM
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17. Michael Dobbs is a BFEE tool planted at the Post. He is the one who buried
pertinent information that upheld Kerry's version of events in Nam cooroborated by others there at the time. He buried the facts so far into the story that most people barely noticed. Yet he would give the greater portion of the story to the lies charged by the swift liars.

The fact that he would spin this story to protect the dictatortot should give ANY legitimate reporter cause for concern as to who this guy is working for.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:48 PM
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24. mbali
do you think you can fucking calm down?

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Scorpious_Maximus Donating Member (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:49 PM
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25. Un-Fucking Believable! n/t
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